January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.

[OG-KGP]

You are going to have to do more than simply repeat that bit about how people can't be racist in a monoculture. Racism is a product of ignorance and a learned belief. Nobody is born racist, nor are they born woke. A person in a non-diverse culture is more likely to be ignorant about other cultures/ethnicities/races than somebody in a multicultural society and very susceptible to racist messaging.

For example:

Black Lives Matter pushes Japan to confront racism

To many Japanese, discrimination against black people has been a foreign problem, but things are changing.

www.bbc.com

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Still want to die on that hill? OK, so give is specific example where a monoculture has been shown to be free from racism. I don't believe you.

No society is free from racism. Many fear what they don't know.

My point was, a village in Nigeria that is 100% black Nigerian population might have different classes of society. Here we blame it on the rich white man. There, they cant. That was my point.

I'm sure the Japanese' are racist against other cultures. Many societies don't welcome diversity with open arms. And I'm totally fine with that too. I think Mexico is just fine being predominantly Mexican. Same with Chinese, African, Arab cultures.

 

[subwax]

You are talking about a party whose leader, during a nationally broadcast presidential debate, told a paramilitary fascist group to "stand down and stand by", then arranged for that same paramilitary group to lead the assault on our election after he lost. Republican leaders even sent messages during the riot to tell rioters where Democratic Party leaders were hiding in the Capitol Building. A year later, Trump is still backed by a whopping large majority of members of the Republican Party. Republican Party leaders are gaslighting the public with claims that nothing major really happened. The evidence shows that Republicans backed the sacking of our Capitol Building, the attempted coup by Trump to overthrow our election and the murder of Trump's political enemies.

I don't see how anybody can say Democrats and Republicans are same. I think the "both sides same" message is propaganda promoted by those same insurrectionist leaders.

Didnt say they were the same - I said they were both shit.

Getting punched in the face, or kicked in the bollocks are different right? Both shit to go through. Thats my point. They are both shit.

 

[CatHedral]

Maybe there's a definition issue here, relating to thick skin.

Perhaps you could link to a concrete example of that man having a thick skin or any sense of humor for that matter.

 

[Fogdog]

No society is free from racism. Many fear what they don't know.

My point was, a village in Nigeria that is 100% black Nigerian population might have different classes of society. Here we blame it on the rich white man. There, they cant. That was my point.

I'm sure the Japanese' are racist against other cultures. Many societies don't welcome diversity with open arms. And I'm totally fine with that too. I think Mexico is just fine being predominantly Mexican. Same with Chinese, African, Arab cultures.

I'm sorry.

I thought you had something to say. I'll go easier on you in the future.

 

[CatHedral]

Didnt say they were the same - I said they were both shit.

Getting punched in the face, or kicked in the bollocks are different right? Both shit to go through. Thats my point. They are both shit.

You are however implying (and plainly stating with that last example) that they are equally or similarly bad. This is very much not the case, even while it is a principal weapon in the cyberattacks on Western social cohesion. You’re carrying guerilla water with that belief.

 

[CunningCanuk]

Didnt say they were the same - I said they were both shit.

Getting punched in the face, or kicked in the bollocks are different right? Both shit to go through. Thats my point. They are both shit.

Right now Democrats are the only ones trying to save their democratic republic. Republicans are ok with any authoritative system as long as they are in charge.

 

[OG-KGP]

In the UK, mostly, we look at all politics as shite. In America, it seems normal to only have bad things to say about one party, and good about another. I don't get it - they are all as bad as each other.

Would I be correct in assuming you are a Republican? Please forgive my ignorance.

Getting Trump out of office was one of the best things I have seen happen Stateside for a long time. I care not for Republicans or Democrats, or any of our pathetic lot either, but to have a lying mysogynistic fool of a man who cared nothing for anyone else out of world politics was incredibly important.

It was a stark difference in public opinion between the state visit of Obama, who had crowds cheering him on in the thousands, everywhere he went, to when that fat idiot came over, when all we had were protests. He's got thick skin, I'll give him that, He had the piss taken out of him wherever he went. A guy made a ballomn that looked like Trump in a nappy, and followed Trumlp wherever he went, flying his balloon at every opportunity.

I remember leaving world to catch the tube to my train - as I walked down the stairs, I walked past a girl that was heading for another protest. She had a placard, on which where the big red letter - C * N T. I had to laugh.

OG-KGP - the * is a U - just to clear it up for you.

You can try and insult me with your third grade insults, its okay.

Let me tell you about my America, the place I live. My city is very diverse. I don't see what you read in the news. I work with probably 70% black, 20 % hispanic, and maybe 10% white people. We all get along. We might fight a little, but its usually about what's for lunch, not skin color.

 

[Herb & Suds]

Didnt say they were the same - I said they were both shit.

Getting punched in the face, or kicked in the bollocks are different right? Both shit to go through. Thats my point. They are both shit.

Something tells me your choice would be Rant Paul ?

 

[subwax]

What are you suggesting was behind the movement to stop progress toward a unified Europe?

Sop explain to me how Russia got 51% of the UK population to vote to leave Europe. A population that were made up of elderly people that didn't access the Internet.

I don't have a premeditated hatred for Russia - I am as big a fan of the Russian Space agency as I am a SpaceX fan. So you'll have to bear with me if I miss a few things.

 

[CatHedral]

Sop explain to me how Russia got 51% of the UK population to vote to leave Europe. A population that were made up of elderly people that didn't access the Internet.

I don't have a premeditated hatred for Russia - I am as big a fan of the Russian Space agency as I am a SpaceX fan. So you'll have to bear with me if I miss a few things.

They only needed to sway a much smaller percentage to tip it.
You are committing the logical fallacy of the false dilemma. An attack need not be total in order to be consequential.

 

[Fogdog]

Didnt say they were the same - I said they were both shit.

Getting punched in the face, or kicked in the bollocks are different right? Both shit to go through. Thats my point. They are both shit.

Everybody has a little shit on them.

There is a large difference in the amount of shit on Republicans compared to Democrats.

For example:

Efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In 2016. Trump was elected on the promise to end the only means that 30 million people in the US had through which they could gain access to affordable healthcare. He said he'd replace it with "something better". In 2017, Republicans very nearly managed to end the ACA without anything better to replace it. They just planned to take away healthcare from "the undeserving poor".

In Biden's first term, is there anything you can name that is even close to that kind of shit? Not Afghanistan, because that's twisted up history going back 20 years. But something vile that Democrats tried to do.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Sop explain to me how Russia got 51% of the UK population to vote to leave Europe. A population that were made up of elderly people that didn't access the Internet.

I don't have a premeditated hatred for Russia - I am as big a fan of the Russian Space agency as I am a SpaceX fan. So you'll have to bear with me if I miss a few things.

The margin was razor thin and they use more than the internet to influence outcomes, the Russians played a part in Brexit, perhaps not a decisive one like in the States, but they were there, Nigel LaFarge is probably an agent of influence for the Russians. Everything made in the UK will have to be made to EU standards anyway, if you wanna trade with the continent. Brexit is a dumb idea that might lead to the break up of the country for no benefit and much harm.

 

[subwax]

You can try and insult me with your third grade insults, its okay.

Let me tell you about my America, the place I live. My city is very diverse. I don't see what you read in the news. I work with probably 70% black, 20 % hispanic, and maybe 10% white people. We all get along. We might fight a little, but its usually about what's for lunch, not skin color.

Sorry - who do you think you are again? "Let me tell you" indeed - the cheek!

I don't dislike America at all, or the American folk in the slightest - the opposite is true. You trying to inject a bit of drama here, huh? Tell you what though - I am starting to dislike you quite a bit - does that count?

Are you trying to suggest that America is not in crisis at the moment - it's all just a little fight, right? My god - you are deluded. Look around you, for your own sake. The American dream is lying in tatters at the bottom of the ocean, I am sad to say. If you take that as an insult, then go ahead - you are completely missing my point, and not for the first time either.

Remind me - how do you block people again?

 

[Fogdog]

Sop explain to me how Russia got 51% of the UK population to vote to leave Europe. A population that were made up of elderly people that didn't access the Internet.

I don't have a premeditated hatred for Russia - I am as big a fan of the Russian Space agency as I am a SpaceX fan. So you'll have to bear with me if I miss a few things.

My question had nothing to do with Russia. I didn't ask what you didn't think was behind Brexit passing. I was asking your opinion regarding how it got through. From what I saw, Brexit's opponents ran a terrible campaign and it all got tangled up with a left-wing politics that had nothing to do with Brexit.

 

[Fogdog]

Sorry - who do you think you are again? "Let me tell you" indeed - the cheek!

I don't dislike America at all, or the American folk in the slightest - the opposite is true. You trying to inject a bit of drama here, huh? Tell you what though - I am starting to dislike you quite a bit - does that count?

Are you trying to suggest that America is not in crisis at the moment - it's all just a little fight, right? My god - you are deluded. Look around you, for your own sake. The American dream is lying in tatters at the bottom of the ocean, I am sad to say. If you take that as an insult, then go ahead - you are completely missing my point, and not for the first time either.

Remind me - how do you block people again?

Maybe he is a dumb as he seems after all.

I was stunned by his "let me tell you about the US" line. lulz He does not speak for all of the US. How grandiose.

To block, left click on his icon and click on the ignore button.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Sorry - who do you think you are again? "Let me tell you" indeed - the cheek!

I don't dislike America at all, or the American folk in the slightest - the opposite is true. You trying to inject a bit of drama here, huh? Tell you what though - I am starting to dislike you quite a bit - does that count?

Are you trying to suggest that America is not in crisis at the moment - it's all just a little fight, right? My god - you are deluded. Look around you, for your own sake. The American dream is lying in tatters at the bottom of the ocean, I am sad to say. If you take that as an insult, then go ahead - you are completely missing my point, and not for the first time either.

Remind me - how do you block people again?

Pay him no mind, just look at his post history to know who you are dealing with.

 

[subwax]

The margin was razor thin and they use more than the internet to influence outcomes, the Russians played a part in Brexit, perhaps not a decisive one like in the States, but they were there, Nigel LaFarge is probably an agent of influence for the Russians. Everything made in the UK will have to be made to EU standards anyway, if you wanna trade with the continent. Brexit is a dumb idea that might lead to the break up of the country for no benefit and much harm.

Sorry - I do not agree with your first statement. That for me is absolute nonsense. 51% of the UK were hoodwinked by our own politicians, not Russia. I am sure there are loads of memes out there about America blaming Russia for everything. If I said prove it or it didn't happen, it didn't happen. There has to be a better reason than "Russia did it".

Now saying Farage is a Russian agent again forces me to make sure I remember that this is a Cannabis forum where most if not all of the people contributing are smoking some very strong weed, it seems. I presume that was very much said in jest - it did make me laugh, to be fair.

I completely agree with your second statement - Brexit was a ridiculous idea that has driven a stake through the country. We are already seeing the harm it has done, and it isnt finished yet. I read on a BBC article that they're talking mayb 50 years to recover. Insane - just insane. You'll still hear people say it was a great idea too.

Scotland will leave, but that has very little to do with Brexit, to be fair, and much more to not being ruled by London or the English. They would want to leave regardless of Brexit. Fair enough, I say, but they can f**k off if they think they're taking the Pound with them. They can use deep fried Mars bars as currency instead.

 

[OG-KGP]

Sorry - who do you think you are again? "Let me tell you" indeed - the cheek!

I don't dislike America at all, or the American folk in the slightest - the opposite is true. You trying to inject a bit of drama here, huh? Tell you what though - I am starting to dislike you quite a bit - does that count?

Are you trying to suggest that America is not in crisis at the moment - it's all just a little fight, right? My god - you are deluded. Look around you, for your own sake. The American dream is lying in tatters at the bottom of the ocean, I am sad to say. If you take that as an insult, then go ahead - you are completely missing my point, and not for the first time either.

Remind me - how do you block people again?

Its that little ignore button. Use it, speaking of thin skin..

Who am I? Someone who knows America better than you.

Am I suggesting America is not in crisis? Yes, exactly. Do we have our problems? Who doesn't?

Are we better than we were 50 years ago when it comes to race. Yup.
Are we the country all the immigrants want to migrate to? Yup. The land of the free. The land of opportunity. My country even gives loans, schooling, health care, free food, and free housing to immigrants. If it was that bad, they'd be running the other way.
Are we the ones tackling our problems head on? Yup.
Do I see racism on a daily basis? Only in the news, wanker.

 

[CatHedral]

Sorry - who do you think you are again? "Let me tell you" indeed - the cheek!

I don't dislike America at all, or the American folk in the slightest - the opposite is true. You trying to inject a bit of drama here, huh? Tell you what though - I am starting to dislike you quite a bit - does that count?

Are you trying to suggest that America is not in crisis at the moment - it's all just a little fight, right? My god - you are deluded. Look around you, for your own sake. The American dream is lying in tatters at the bottom of the ocean, I am sad to say. If you take that as an insult, then go ahead - you are completely missing my point, and not for the first time either.

Remind me - how do you block people again?

If you click on a user, you’ll have an Ignore capacity. What someone you ignore posts is not made visible to you except when someone you’re not ignoring quotes it.

 

[Fogdog]

Pay him no mind, just look at his post history to know who you are dealing with.

"pay the gadfly no mind"

"I wish that whining sound would go away"