Should the US shed blood for Ukraine

Should the USA along with NATO defend Ukraine with troops.

  • Yes

    Votes: 40 40.4%
  • No

    Votes: 59 59.6%

  • Total voters
    99

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
What is naive?
I never said it's wrong to see Russia as a threat, it is.
It was naive to say "completely the same both ways"

You dredge up the Cuban missile crisis that happened like 60 years ago in a very different time and situation and compare that to what? NATO placing sanctions on Russia for invading a sovereign nation-neighbor for no good reason? Dude, that's stretching it to the point where you are just being naïve. You sound like the guy defending his friend for beating his wife because she made him do it.
 

Jimdamick

Well-Known Member
Btw balanced presence of nuclear weapons is the greatest peacekeeping mechanism
The threat of nuclear weapons is bullshit.

Everyone knows that if you push that button your next move should be blowing your head off right then before the radiation kills you, & and it will

The only country I would worry about is a radical/religious/authoritarian one that would not have a problem with killing millions for religious purposes

Thankfully there aren't any (please don't say Iran) & if such a situation like that did occur, Israel would simply kill him/them.

Nah, just conventional weapons will be used, they're less messy than a nuke (they vaporize & reduced 1/2 life to just 50,000 years before that area is habitable again)
 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
Btw balanced presence of nuclear weapons is the greatest peacekeeping mechanism, globally.
It's funny. I'm not for "gun control" as in firearms, for individuals.

Nukes scare me though because they are weapons of destruction that virtually guarantee, the slaughter of innocents if used. I'd prefer they didn't exist and some voluntary reductions of them took place.

The USA did a terrorist act when it nuked Japan twice. Completely unnecessary, not to mention they targeted and killed innocent people.
 

Kassiopeija

Well-Known Member
"War is the American way of life," said US historian Paul Atwood, noting that the US was born, grew, and became a superpower out of war, slavery, and human slaughter.

In its more than 240-year-long history since declaring independence on July 4, 1776, there have only been 16 years in which the US was not at war. From the end of World War II (WWII) to 2001, the US has initiated 201 of the 248 armed conflicts in 153 locations, accounting for over 80 percent of total wars fought. Since 2001, wars and military operations by the US have claimed more than 800,000 lives and displaced tens of millions of people.

Experts and observers reached by the Global Times said that the US, ignoring the objective reality of its own shambolic democratic record, instead attempts to use "democracy" as a pretext to wage war and as a cover for its numerous crimes such as causing humanitarian disasters and destroying sovereign order, is the real culprit threatening the world.

The US' obsession with exporting war will leave the US with an indelible shame, experts noted."


 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
"War is the American way of life," said US historian Paul Atwood, noting that the US was born, grew, and became a superpower out of war, slavery, and human slaughter.

In its more than 240-year-long history since declaring independence on July 4, 1776, there have only been 16 years in which the US was not at war. From the end of World War II (WWII) to 2001, the US has initiated 201 of the 248 armed conflicts in 153 locations, accounting for over 80 percent of total wars fought. Since 2001, wars and military operations by the US have claimed more than 800,000 lives and displaced tens of millions of people.

Experts and observers reached by the Global Times said that the US, ignoring the objective reality of its own shambolic democratic record, instead attempts to use "democracy" as a pretext to wage war and as a cover for its numerous crimes such as causing humanitarian disasters and destroying sovereign order, is the real culprit threatening the world.

The US' obsession with exporting war will leave the US with an indelible shame, experts noted."


All of that has been fueled by Federal Reserve money fueling the military industrial complex expansion.

They have a newer game too, working with the medical industrial complex to lock people down and strip liberties.
 

djumbir

Well-Known Member
And try to understand that NATO and the EU are partially responsible for territory turbulence that's been happening in Ukraine, from Crimea in 2014 to this very moment, by violating international law when we supported the secession of Kosovo from Serbia. Crimea's secession is equally contrary to international law as was Kosovo's. And international law must be equal for all, no double standards. So, NATO's the one that opened global Pandora's box and we must accept the fact.
 

Friendly_Grower

Well-Known Member
Watching "Morning Joe" I think Russia already has troops in Ukraine in two places where there are majority Russian population and a pro-Russia militant forces.
This is Putin's "IN" since these areas were taken over by militant Russians some time ago. A Canker Sore of a thing in my opinion. Another analogy might be Putin saying "How can it be rape? I only put it in a little bit."

From watching some YouTube videos I think Ukraine has seemingly always been "part" of some construct. Either the Soviet Union or Poland. It is fair to say Ukraine has not been independent in a meaningful way in recent history.

The two areas Putin is recognizing as independent are what Putin now calls " Donetsk People's Republic and the Lugansk People's Republic "
Watching PBS news hour I understand the term "People's Republic" historically has been a term used to give validity to an invasion.

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy can go all in and just join NATO.
I fear anything short of that is akin to a shark taking bites out of a body but not the blitzkrieg it could be. It's a slow motion expansion of Russian domain.

I'm thinking Volodymyr Zelenskyy should join NATO and force Putin to do his full takeover before he is ready. This let Putin chomp mouthfuls and try to conserve what is left of Ukraine well, in my opinion that is just a slow death by just putting it in a little bit at a time and calling it love.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
Watching "Morning Joe" I think Russia already has troops in Ukraine in two places where there are majority Russian population and a pro-Russia militant forces.
This is Putin's "IN" since these areas were taken over by militant Russians some time ago. A Canker Sore of a thing in my opinion. Another analogy might be Putin saying "How can it be rape? I only put it in a little bit."

From watching some YouTube videos I think Ukraine has seemingly always been "part" of some construct. Either the Soviet Union or Poland. It is fair to say Ukraine has not been independent in a meaningful way in recent history.

The two areas Putin is recognizing as independent are what Putin now calls " Donetsk People's Republic and the Lugansk People's Republic "
Watching PBS news hour I understand the term "People's Republic" historically has been a term used to give validity to an invasion.

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy can go all in and just join NATO.
I fear anything short of that is akin to a shark taking bites out of a body but not the blitzkrieg it could be. It's a slow motion expansion of Russian domain.

I'm thinking Volodymyr Zelenskyy should join NATO and force Putin to do his full takeover before he is ready. This let Putin chomp mouthfuls and try to conserve what is left of Ukraine well, in my opinion that is just a slow death by just putting it in a little bit at a time and calling it love.
It will be some years before they can join NATO unfortunately. They had a shot, but the pro-Putin puppet administration that was in office at the time said no, and it sparked a bunch of protests in Ukraine that pushed him out of power.
 

smokinrav

Well-Known Member
That's a fallacy, what does it have to do with this situation? Besides, Ukraine is responsible for its poverty, other ex soviets are doing much better.
And man, I've never been to nor do I have any relations to Ukraine :D
I lived through it. Its no fallacy. Russia has been the aggressor through so many world challenges.
What "other ex soviets" are doing better? lol
 

Jimdamick

Well-Known Member
they release raw untreated sewage into their rivers
But I love they're cooking :(

Do you know why spice is used so heavily in Indian food?

It's to hide/cover the stench of the decay in whatever is the special of the day.
As a matter all they're food relies on the extreme use of spice.
It's all camouflaged shit.
It's all sauce, meant to cover whatever they want to dump at the moment.

Think about that the next time you order the vindaloo.

Same thing with the incense

If it wasn't for that, rooms would be uninhabitable.

Seriously, ask anyone that's been there.

They'll all say the same thing
It's the filthiest place on the Globe, bar none.
It's been said that Danes/Norwegians have a tendency to faint once they land.

I have a friend who worked in Russia sometimes & he went on a business trip with a fellow worker & the guy bought something from a street vendor & my friend warned him, but of course he ate it anyway.

Long story short, 36 hours later he was airlifted out of the country to Germany because whatever he had the Russians couldn't fix.
The guy recovered but I think they had to remove some colon.
There's your Indian food.
I rather eat Brit food, least it won't kill you.
:)
 

smokinrav

Well-Known Member
But I love they're cooking :(

Do you know why spice is used so heavily in Indian food?

It's to hide/cover the stench of the decay in whatever is the special of the day.
As a matter all they're food relies on the extreme use of spice.
It's all camouflaged shit.
It's all sauce, meant to cover whatever they want to dump at the moment.

Think about that the next time you order the vindaloo.

Same thing with the incense

If it wasn't for that, rooms would be uninhabitable.

Seriously, ask anyone that's been there.

They'll all say the same thing
It's the filthiest place on the Globe, bar none.
It's been said that Danes/Norwegians have a tendency to faint once they land.

I have a friend who worked in Russia sometimes & he went on a business trip with a fellow worker & the guy bought something from a street vendor & my friend warned him, but of course he ate it anyway.

Long story short, 36 hours later he was airlifted out of the country to Germany because whatever he had the Russians couldn't fix.
The guy recovered but I think they had to remove some colon.
There's your Indian food.
I rather eat Brit food, least it won't kill you.
:)
Oh but it's also disgusting. Blood pudding, literally? No thanks!
 

Sativied

Well-Known Member
Nearly 400 concentration camps, millions in it, getting raped, sterilized and killed. A genocide that is going on right now in the country who‘s Fox news propagada you just posted. Your own country declared war on the US in support of the nazis. Germany’s largest ally against Russia.

I wasn't defending Russia or accusing NATO.
Except for the accusation the US, which you “often associate with NATO“ is the provoker who divided Ukraine and Russia and forced the latter to react by attacking. And comparing aiming actual nukes at a country to imaginary missiles in the Ukraine that would be within range to justify aka defend Russia’s ”re”-action. What you call poor japs were actually atrocious nazis.


And people think disinformation caused Brexit… anyone know where I can get a good deal on 4000miles of fencing?
 

smokinrav

Well-Known Member
Jesus Christ, seriously? The Global Times? Dude get a fucking grip on reality

The Global Times is a daily tabloid newspaper under the auspices of the Chinese Communist Party's flagship People's Daily newspaper, commenting on international issues from a nationalistic perspective. The newspaper has been the source of various incidents, including fabrications and disinformation.[/i ]Wikipedia
 
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