Fogdog
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I'm against forced labor. I voted against involuntary servitude as punishment. "Giving" implies a person can refuse the gift, do you agree?
2022 elections. The steady march for sanity continues.
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Roger A. Shrubber
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so the potential for fuckery is enough for you to scrap the program? when do we start on democracy? plenty of opportunites for fuckery in democracy, so we better get rid of it too...
and "fiction" of earning the basics? i said the basics were to be supplied...any luxury items would be earned. candy, soda, whatever isn't a basic necessity of life. you get a bed, some clothes, and enough decent food to live on, anything else you earn or do without
Roger A. Shrubber
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who's forcing them? you want candy? work for it, you don't wanna work, then no candy...or soda, or what the fuck ever actually has to be bought from the commissary...3 hots, a cot, and a change of clothes...anything else is earned or done without
Fogdog
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we don't disagree.
I voted against forced prison labor and I think you would too.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i'm not sure about jj's views, exactly...but mine are that if you incarcerate someone, all you owe them is the basic necessities, and i do mean basic...a room that is within a broad comfort zone, clean clothes, and three meals a day...if you want tv or radio, you have to buy the juice to run them, otherwise that socket is dead...there should be a LOT of time available for introspection, and a lot of reading material from an approved list...mostly educational.
xtsho
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I know people that have served time in the Oregon prison system. You are not forced to work. You can sit in your cell all day and come out just for meals in the chow hall. Doing that you don't earn as much good time or any money to buy commissary. One guy I know ended up going to a forest camp where they went out with forest service people and did all kinds of work in the woods. He got a significant reduction in his sentence from the good time days accrued. Apparently it's voluntary and only for certain offenders. He said people in the lockdown facility told him not to go because they make you get up in the morning to work and that you're out stomping around in the woods fixing trails, roads, planting trees, etc... After finding that out he said he couldn't wait to get there. Apparently some would rather sit around in a concrete cell doing nothing.
The thing is that the majority of people in prison are worthless scumbags that are too lazy to do real work so they choose a life of crime taking things from others that actually worked to get what they have.
I say bring back the chain gangs.
This is where my friend ended up. He said it was such a relief getting out from behind the bars and concrete and going to a facility with no fences and small cabins to live in. He didn't mind getting up at 5:00 am rain, snow, or shine to go trekking in the woods. He would have gone crazy sitting on his ass with a bunch of lazy pieces of crap locked inside a cell.
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The thing is that the majority of people in prison are worthless scumbags that are too lazy to do real work so they choose a life of crime taking things from others that actually worked to get what they have.
I say bring back the chain gangs.
This is where my friend ended up. He said it was such a relief getting out from behind the bars and concrete and going to a facility with no fences and small cabins to live in. He didn't mind getting up at 5:00 am rain, snow, or shine to go trekking in the woods. He would have gone crazy sitting on his ass with a bunch of lazy pieces of crap locked inside a cell.
Prisoners as caretakers: South Fork Prison Camp
Nestled in the Tillamook State Forest along Highway 6 in the Oregon Coast Range sits South Fork Forest Camp, a level one minimum-security prison facility housing up to 200 men
Roger A. Shrubber
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people like your friend aren't a problem, the ones that sit on their asses in a cell all day long and do nothing but bitch about the quality of their "accomodations" are a problem...but it's an easy one to fix, quit listening to them whine.I know people that have served time in the Oregon prison system. You are not forced to work. You can sit in your cell all day and come out just for meals in the chow hall. Doing that you don't earn as much good time or any money to buy commissary. One guy I know ended up going to a forest camp where they went out with forest service people and did all kinds of work in the woods. He got a significant reduction in his sentence from the good time days accrued. Apparently it's voluntary and only for certain offenders. He said people in the lockdown facility told him not to go because they make you get up in the morning to work and that you're out stomping around in the woods fixing trails, roads, planting trees, etc... After finding that out he said he couldn't wait to get there. Apparently some would rather sit around in a concrete cell doing nothing.
The thing is that the majority of people in prison are worthless scumbags that are too lazy to do real work so they choose a life of crime taking things from others that actually worked to get what they have.
I say bring back the chain gangs.
This is where my friend ended up. He said it was such a relief getting out from behind the bars and concrete and going to a facility with no fences and small cabins to live in. He didn't mind getting up at 5:00 am rain, snow, or shine to go trekking in the woods. He would have gone crazy sitting on his ass with a bunch of lazy pieces of crap locked inside a cell.
Prisoners as caretakers: South Fork Prison Camp
Nestled in the Tillamook State Forest along Highway 6 in the Oregon Coast Range sits South Fork Forest Camp, a level one minimum-security prison facility housing up to 200 men
doublejj
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xtsho
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He did his time for drug related charges over 30 years ago. Hasn't even been pulled over for a traffic ticket since and owns a small business that employs about a dozen people. He still smokes weed though. I give him 4 starts every year that he grows outside and lasts him until the next year.
cannabineer
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It isn’t potential for fuckery. It is the near guarantee of dehumanization by prison staff that concerns me. Imo the prison economy you mention should not exist.
Fogdog
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It was unofficial, now it's official. People convicted of crimes in Oregon cannot be sentenced to slavery or involuntary servitude.I know people that have served time in the Oregon prison system. You are not forced to work. You can sit in your cell all day and come out just for meals in the chow hall. Doing that you don't earn as much good time or any money to buy commissary. One guy I know ended up going to a forest camp where they went out with forest service people and did all kinds of work in the woods. He got a significant reduction in his sentence from the good time days accrued. Apparently it's voluntary and only for certain offenders. He said people in the lockdown facility told him not to go because they make you get up in the morning to work and that you're out stomping around in the woods fixing trails, roads, planting trees, etc... After finding that out he said he couldn't wait to get there. Apparently some would rather sit around in a concrete cell doing nothing.
The thing is that the majority of people in prison are worthless scumbags that are too lazy to do real work so they choose a life of crime taking things from others that actually worked to get what they have.
I say bring back the chain gangs.
This is where my friend ended up. He said it was such a relief getting out from behind the bars and concrete and going to a facility with no fences and small cabins to live in. He didn't mind getting up at 5:00 am rain, snow, or shine to go trekking in the woods. He would have gone crazy sitting on his ass with a bunch of lazy pieces of crap locked inside a cell.
Prisoners as caretakers: South Fork Prison Camp
Nestled in the Tillamook State Forest along Highway 6 in the Oregon Coast Range sits South Fork Forest Camp, a level one minimum-security prison facility housing up to 200 men
No whining
Roger A. Shrubber
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it's not about an economy...and the dehumanization goes on no matter what, because there is a segment of the population that is drawn to jobs like that solely for that reason, and the only way to avoid it is better screening and closer monitoring on the job...
i could care less if inmates work or don't work, that is entirely up to them. but you get the barest of bare necessities while incarcerated, and if you want anything extra, it should cost you. nothing but a livable space, clean clothing, and regular meals should be provided at the cost of the state, and by extension, the taxpayers of that state. the state already has to buy expensive monitoring equipment, and keep it operating in the face of constant tampering from prisoners at any opportunity, they have to pay people to supervise them, they have to pay people to make repairs, they have to run a kitchen capable of feeding all the inmates, run a laundry capable of keeping up with all the inmates, provide at least basic medical services...that's as much and more than the state should be required to provide, but most states also provide educational services, counseling services, job placement services...and the already mentioned on the job training available through the prison industry authority...
it's too much to ask that they earn access to electricity that the state also has to pay for to entertain themselves with? that they buy their own treats? that they purchase their own "vanity" items from the prison commissary?
i personally would be charging them rent at a day for a day...they can lose a day off their sentence for every day they work, or they can rot in their cell through the whole sentence, up to them
Fogdog
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Democrats are going to win control of the Senate and Warnock's win will be icing on the cake.
First this:
Democrat Mark Kelly keeps Senate seat over Trump-endorsed Blake Masters in Arizona
www.npr.org
Kelly's win makes it 49 Democratic Caucus Senators
Then there is this:
There are 33,500 Clark County (Las Vegas) votes yet to be counted as of this tally. . With 95% of votes already recorded, Masto is leading in Clark county 52% to 45.1% for Laxalt. Assuming this ratio holds, The uncounted votes in Clark County adds 17,420 to Mastro and 15,109 to Laxalt. At the time of this tally, Laxault was leading by 862 votes. By this time tomorrow the vote counting will be over and Mastro will lead by about 1500 votes. The rest of the state don't have enough uncounted red votes to overcome that margin.
Mastro's win makes it 50 Democrats in the Senate. By Saturday evening, Democrats will be in control of the Senate for the 2023 and 2024 sessions.
First this:
Democrat Mark Kelly keeps Senate seat over Trump-endorsed Blake Masters in Arizona
Democrat Mark Kelly keeps Senate seat over Trump-endorsed Blake Masters in Arizona
In bid for continued Senate majority, Democrat Sen. Mark Kelly wins re-election over Trump-backed Republican candidate Blake Masters.
www.npr.org
Kelly's win makes it 49 Democratic Caucus Senators
Then there is this:
There are 33,500 Clark County (Las Vegas) votes yet to be counted as of this tally. . With 95% of votes already recorded, Masto is leading in Clark county 52% to 45.1% for Laxalt. Assuming this ratio holds, The uncounted votes in Clark County adds 17,420 to Mastro and 15,109 to Laxalt. At the time of this tally, Laxault was leading by 862 votes. By this time tomorrow the vote counting will be over and Mastro will lead by about 1500 votes. The rest of the state don't have enough uncounted red votes to overcome that margin.
Mastro's win makes it 50 Democrats in the Senate. By Saturday evening, Democrats will be in control of the Senate for the 2023 and 2024 sessions.
xtsho
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I think it would be more dehumanizing to have a couple bubbas wake you up in the middle of the night for a slumber party than being forced to work.
DIY-HP-LED
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