Examples of GOP Leadership

[DIY-HP-LED]

fuck nut morons, they'll get drug into court by the DOJ and the FBI the first time they do a fucking thing, and the courts will tell them to mind their own motherfucking business...fucking retards already know that, this is all grandstanding bullshit, or else they're so motherfucking firghtened of the looming indictments they're trying this desperation play to save their asses...either way, this is fucking stupid, and won't go past their first attempt at interference.

Glenn was smiling about it when he was discussing it on one of his videos. If Jack had a case but wasn't inclined to prosecute, say Jordan, then by Jordan going after the DOJ and FBI, his people, he will sure as shit bring one and Gym before a grand jury, unless he's a target. I can't think of a better way for someone who requested a pardon to bring down a world of hurt on themselves by fucking with Jack over something this serious. I'll bet Jack is very serious when it comes to this shit, there is nothing these chickens in congress can do about it except squawk, flap their wings and wait for the chopping block.

The Gospel of Mark will save America and send them to Hell! This is my prophecy!

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Glenn was smiling about it when he was discussing it on one of his videos. If Jack had a case but wasn't inclined to prosecute, say Jordan, then by Jordan going after the DOJ and FBI, his people, he will sure as shit bring one and Gym before a grand jury, unless he's a target. I can't think of a better way for someone who requested a pardon to bring down a world of hurt on themselves by fucking with Jack over something this serious. I'll bet Jack is very serious when it comes to this shit, there is nothing these chickens in congress can do about it except squawk, flap their wings and wait for the chopping block.

The Gospel of Mark will save America and send them to Hell! This is my prophecy!

i hope you're right. i'm getting tired of waiting to see.
it might be time to bring THEM a REAL civil war...if that's what it takes to make the shit happen that HAS to happen.

 

[injinji]

I see it differently. The election of the speaker process has shown how much trump’s influence over the party has waned.

Still they let 20 of the red hats highjack the speaker election. It shows they are still afraid of the base.

 

[injinji]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1612109406430269440

This shit is going on in Florida.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Still they let 20 of the red hats highjack the speaker election. It shows they are still afraid of the base.

They should be, 74% of republicans still have a favorable view of Trump and he would win the nomination or come close. If he walked his supporters out into the sucker party and turned on them they would be fucked. If they lose 10% or 20% of their hardcore Trump maga base it is game over for them, not even gerrymandering the house will help them.

 

[CANON_Grow]

i hope you're right. i'm getting tired of waiting to see.
it might be time to bring THEM a REAL civil war...if that's what it takes to make the shit happen that HAS to happen.

This looks like a Faux nEwS comment or a quote from one of the recent Michigan trials. I get the shtick and all, but recent events should give pause to use of that kind of rhetoric.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

This looks like a Faux nEwS comment or a quote from one of the recent Michigan trials. I get the shtick and all, but recent events should give pause to use of that kind of rhetoric.

It is the right waging cold and sometimes open civil war, we see it in America and now in Brazil, it is they who are resorting to violence, threats, cheating and out right lying. They have gone from politics, to fascism extra legal and antidemocratic means to hold and gain power. They have conducted a hate and bigotry based civil war without consequence and that is the problem, they have had a free ride for too long as is evidenced by their arrogance and sense of entitlement.

The law will deal with them, but there need to be improvements to the law and how it is implemented, those fixes are politically out of reach for the moment. I've been calling them fascists and traitors for a lot longer than the regular media has, it is not hyperbole, it is an accurate description based on the facts.

 

[CANON_Grow]

It is the right waging cold and sometimes open civil war, we see it in America and now in Brazil, it is they who are resorting to violence, threats, cheating and out right lying. They have gone from politics, to fascism extra legal and antidemocratic means to hold and gain power. They have conducted a hate and bigotry based civil war without consequence and that is the problem, they have had a free ride for too long as is evidenced by their arrogance and sense of entitlement.

The law will deal with them, but there need to be improvements to the law and how it is implemented, those fixes are politically out of reach for the moment. I've been calling them fascists and traitors for a lot longer than the regular media has, it is not hyperbole, it is an accurate description based on the facts.

I whole heartedly understand the frustration, still doesn't sway my opinion that EVERYONE must be careful in how frustrations are discussed.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I whole heartedly understand the frustration, still doesn't sway my opinion that EVERYONE must be careful in how frustrations are discussed.

I'm all for moderation and civil society, debating ideas etc, but I'm also a fan of meeting dangerous bullshit head on and calling a spade a spade. You could say Roger is "in touch with his feelings" and unlike republicans he doesn't really mean it, but expresses a common sentiment. It is not necessary to fight them in the streets if you are sitting at the seat of power, and I'm not talking about normal politics either but a hybrid between politics and civil war. Politics requires good will and a common purpose, like the wellbeing of the nation. One must be prepared to lose, not grasp at power by any means possible including outright treason with the Russians and inciting violence. We let the law deal with such things and people when it is within it's scope and ability, somethings are not however falling into the realm of ethics and morals but some people have neither.

 

[CunningCanuk]

Still they let 20 of the red hats highjack the speaker election. It shows they are still afraid of the base.

I wonder how many votes trump would have received for speaker if his influence today is what it was even a year ago.

I read recently that this was the first time since 1982 that the party in power to have midterm gains with independents.

The country is moving on from the maga movement. Republicans are going to have to as well.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I wonder how many votes trump would have received for speaker if his influence today is what it was even a year ago.

I read recently that this was the first time since 1982 that the party in power to have midterm gains with independents.

The country is moving on from the maga movement. Republicans are going to have to as well.

Events in Brazil are driving home the point about maga and the stars are lining up around the globe for liberal democracy. Getting rid of Vlad will do much to improve the planet and Donald should go down around the same time as Vlad. 2023 promises to be an interesting and entertaining year with major strides for liberal democracy in Ukraine and in the courts of America. As for Kevin's majority, Scott Perry looks in deep shit and Santos will probably be gone too and that is right off the start line! What will they do when Donald goes down over the docs!

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

...and the world burned, because people stood still and watched it happen...
too concerned with what looked right to do what WAS right.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Abbott is another motherfucker that can bend the fuck over and stuff his shit right back where it comes from...
the worst motherfucking governor EVER tells one of the best presidents ever to do his fucking job? someone should grind his face into a mirror for a few hours, while asking him "who fucked over texas? who isn't doing their job worth a fuck?"
https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-hand-delivers-letter-to-president-biden-at-border-visit

https://www.ktsm.com/news/el-paso-democrats-blast-gop-for-stunts-gimmicks-and-lies-on-immigration/

 

[CCGNZ]

It is the right waging cold and sometimes open civil war, we see it in America and now in Brazil, it is they who are resorting to violence, threats, cheating and out right lying. They have gone from politics, to fascism extra legal and antidemocratic means to hold and gain power. They have conducted a hate and bigotry based civil war without consequence and that is the problem, they have had a free ride for too long as is evidenced by their arrogance and sense of entitlement.

The law will deal with them, but there need to be improvements to the law and how it is implemented, those fixes are politically out of reach for the moment. I've been calling them fascists and traitors for a lot longer than the regular media has, it is not hyperbole, it is an accurate description based on the facts.

Your right about that,our laws didn't contemplate such bad faith,assumed country ALWAYS came first,and didn't take into account "BRANDS' or social media warriors spewing vitriol and hatred in a tunnel turning people into unobjective zombies. A grey area is being weaponized and exploited bypassing laws legislated in a era that assumed common sense and moral decency.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Laurence Tribe is only wrong about one thing. i don't think jordan is grandstanding, i think he's scrabbling madly to cover his own ass, and is so stupid that he doesn't realize that this is drawing ALL attention to his incredibly badly disguised attempt to obstruct justice.
https://www.newsweek.com/jim-jordan-subpoena-fbi-idiotic-donald-trump-1772291?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spot_im_redirect_source=pitc

"During his speech after finally getting enough votes to be House speaker, Kevin McCarthy vowed that the GOP will set up committees to "hold the swamp accountable, from the withdrawal of Afghanistan, to the origins of COVID and to the weaponization of the FBI."
He added: "Let me be very clear. We will use the power of the purse and the power of the subpoena to get the job done."
translated from republicanese : "We will hold the budget and the spending cap hostage like we always do, and we'll be the biggest obstructionists possible while we do it, because we have to cover our criminal involvement in insurrection. We also know the senate will kick back any stupid shit we try to pass, and if we somehow get something stupid past them, Biden will veto it."

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Laurence Tribe is only wrong about one thing. i don't think jordan is grandstanding, i think he's scrabbling madly to cover his own ass, and is so stupid that he doesn't realize that this is drawing ALL attention to his incredibly badly disguised attempt to obstruct justice.
https://www.newsweek.com/jim-jordan-subpoena-fbi-idiotic-donald-trump-1772291?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spot_im_redirect_source=pitc

"During his speech after finally getting enough votes to be House speaker, Kevin McCarthy vowed that the GOP will set up committees to "hold the swamp accountable, from the withdrawal of Afghanistan, to the origins of COVID and to the weaponization of the FBI."
He added: "Let me be very clear. We will use the power of the purse and the power of the subpoena to get the job done."
translated from republicanese : "We will hold the budget and the spending cap hostage like we always do, and we'll be the biggest obstructionists possible while we do it, because we have to cover our criminal involvement in insurrection. We also know the senate will kick back any stupid shit we try to pass, and if we somehow get something stupid past them, Biden will veto it."

Wait until the indictments drop on Trump over the docs, that's first up I figure and then we should know what Mark will do. If Mark is cooperating then you will see panic in the republican house!

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Wait until the indictments drop on Trump over the docs, that's first up I figure and then we should know what Mark will do. If Mark is cooperating then you will see panic in the republican house!

I'm fucking tired of waiting for shit to drop...It should have started dropping already.
I'm losing my sense of humor over the whole situation, along with the little patience I've ever managed to muster.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I'm fucking tired of waiting for shit to drop...It should have started dropping already.
I'm losing my sense of humor over the whole situation, along with the little patience I've ever managed to muster.

You are far from alone and I think the speed of Justice in Brazil might make many take notice! There are many reports that Trump's people were involved in this shit at some level too.

 

[CunningCanuk]

They should be, 74% of republicans still have a favorable view of Trump and he would win the nomination or come close. If he walked his supporters out into the sucker party and turned on them they would be fucked. If they lose 10% or 20% of their hardcore Trump maga base it is game over for them, not even gerrymandering the house will help them.

Nobody knows for sure but I don’t think trump gets the nomination. Also, I’m not the only one who feels trump is leaking influence;


Analysis by Harry Enten, CNN
Published 1:46 PM EST, Sun January 8, 2023

McCarthy speaker saga shows Trump is far from untouchable ahead of 2024

Kevin McCarthy’s seven-year-plus dream to become House speaker finally became reality early Saturday morning. The California Republican’s tumultuous journey concluded after six Republican holdouts voted “present,” allowing him to win on the 15th ballot with a lower majority threshold.

McCarthy credited Donald Trump for his support in the speaker’s race, and the former president was quick to bask in the glory of McCarthy’s victory.

Make no mistake, though: McCarthy’s struggle to win the speaker’s gavel is only the latest indication that Trump’s brand among Republicans has been significantly weakened. Trump is no doubt still a powerful presence in the GOP, but he’s very vulnerable in his bid to win the Republican presidential nomination for a third time.

Let’s state the facts of what unfolded. McCarthy was backed by Trump from the beginning in his speakership campaign. McCarthy trumpeted Trump’s endorsement, and Trump, in turn, made his preference well known.

It would be difficult to imagine Republicans defying Trump at the height of his power. But that’s exactly what happened this time around. Despite the many appeals from Trump, this year’s speakership process was the longest in over 150 years. It was the first time in a century that more than one ballot had been needed to elect the speaker.

To the point of Trump’s waning power, just look at the Republicans who delayed McCarthy from becoming speaker on January 3. They were almost all hardcore Trump believers. Of those who were serving in the last Congress, just one (Rep. Chip Roy) had voted to certify Joe Biden’s presidential win.

The lawmakers in this group who had voting records are from the very conservative part of the GOP. This is where Trump’s strength among Republicans had been most evident at the end of his presidency. Yet, Trump’s expressed support for McCarthy wasn’t enough to keep these hardcore conservatives in line.

These Republicans, it seems, didn’t fear Trump like they once might have. And when you look at the polling, that lack of trepidation makes sense.

Right now, Trump isn’t beloved by Republican voters. We see this in the percentage of Republicans who hold a strongly favorable (or very favorable) rating of him. Strongly favorable means you don’t merely like a politician, you love him.

Trump’s strongly favorable rating in a Fox News poll last month was 43% among Republican voters. That’s good, but it’s not great for a universally known politician. Ron DeSantis’ strongly favorable rating in the same poll was 40%, even though 16% of Republicans had no opinion of the Florida governor.

Trump’s strongly favorable rating is way down from where it was at the time of the 2020 election. In a late October 2020 Fox News poll, his strongly favorable rating was 68%. He’s dropped 25 points on this measure since then.

It’s not that Republicans don’t like Trump. His overall favorable rating among Republicans in the same Fox News poll from last month was 77%. (Other polls put his favorable rating with Republicans in the 60s.) It’s more that they don’t love the former president. At least not enough to scare Republican politicians into following his every word.

When we zoom in on very conservative Republicans (i.e., like the holdouts against McCarthy), the difference from where we were and where we are is quite stark. Our CNN/SSRS poll asked GOP voters (including independents who lean Republican) both at the beginning and the end of 2022 whether they wanted Trump or someone else to be the 2024 Republican nominee.

Trump started 2022 with 65% of very conservative Republican voters saying they wanted him to be the Republican nominee. This was way higher than Republicans overall (50%). He ended the year with 42% of very conservative Republican voters believing he should be the GOP nominee, not too different from the 38% of Republicans overall who felt the same.

A Monmouth University poll from December found very conservative Republicans preferring DeSantis to Trump on the 2024 ballot test.

The bottom line is that what happened to McCarthy and Trump’s inability to prevent a once-in-a-generation speaker ballot saga is a manifestation of what is going on among Republicans at large. Trump is no longer the dominant figure, untouchable by GOP voters. He isn’t even holding on to those Republicans who essentially thought he could walk on water.

This leaves the answer to the question of who wins the 2024 Republican nomination very much unclear at this point.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Nobody knows for sure but I don’t think trump gets the nomination. Also, I’m not the only one who feels trump is leaking influence;


Analysis by Harry Enten, CNN
Published 1:46 PM EST, Sun January 8, 2023

McCarthy speaker saga shows Trump is far from untouchable ahead of 2024

Kevin McCarthy’s seven-year-plus dream to become House speaker finally became reality early Saturday morning. The California Republican’s tumultuous journey concluded after six Republican holdouts voted “present,” allowing him to win on the 15th ballot with a lower majority threshold.

McCarthy credited Donald Trump for his support in the speaker’s race, and the former president was quick to bask in the glory of McCarthy’s victory.

Make no mistake, though: McCarthy’s struggle to win the speaker’s gavel is only the latest indication that Trump’s brand among Republicans has been significantly weakened. Trump is no doubt still a powerful presence in the GOP, but he’s very vulnerable in his bid to win the Republican presidential nomination for a third time.

Let’s state the facts of what unfolded. McCarthy was backed by Trump from the beginning in his speakership campaign. McCarthy trumpeted Trump’s endorsement, and Trump, in turn, made his preference well known.

It would be difficult to imagine Republicans defying Trump at the height of his power. But that’s exactly what happened this time around. Despite the many appeals from Trump, this year’s speakership process was the longest in over 150 years. It was the first time in a century that more than one ballot had been needed to elect the speaker.

To the point of Trump’s waning power, just look at the Republicans who delayed McCarthy from becoming speaker on January 3. They were almost all hardcore Trump believers. Of those who were serving in the last Congress, just one (Rep. Chip Roy) had voted to certify Joe Biden’s presidential win.

The lawmakers in this group who had voting records are from the very conservative part of the GOP. This is where Trump’s strength among Republicans had been most evident at the end of his presidency. Yet, Trump’s expressed support for McCarthy wasn’t enough to keep these hardcore conservatives in line.

These Republicans, it seems, didn’t fear Trump like they once might have. And when you look at the polling, that lack of trepidation makes sense.

Right now, Trump isn’t beloved by Republican voters. We see this in the percentage of Republicans who hold a strongly favorable (or very favorable) rating of him. Strongly favorable means you don’t merely like a politician, you love him.

Trump’s strongly favorable rating in a Fox News poll last month was 43% among Republican voters. That’s good, but it’s not great for a universally known politician. Ron DeSantis’ strongly favorable rating in the same poll was 40%, even though 16% of Republicans had no opinion of the Florida governor.

Trump’s strongly favorable rating is way down from where it was at the time of the 2020 election. In a late October 2020 Fox News poll, his strongly favorable rating was 68%. He’s dropped 25 points on this measure since then.

It’s not that Republicans don’t like Trump. His overall favorable rating among Republicans in the same Fox News poll from last month was 77%. (Other polls put his favorable rating with Republicans in the 60s.) It’s more that they don’t love the former president. At least not enough to scare Republican politicians into following his every word.

When we zoom in on very conservative Republicans (i.e., like the holdouts against McCarthy), the difference from where we were and where we are is quite stark. Our CNN/SSRS poll asked GOP voters (including independents who lean Republican) both at the beginning and the end of 2022 whether they wanted Trump or someone else to be the 2024 Republican nominee.

Trump started 2022 with 65% of very conservative Republican voters saying they wanted him to be the Republican nominee. This was way higher than Republicans overall (50%). He ended the year with 42% of very conservative Republican voters believing he should be the GOP nominee, not too different from the 38% of Republicans overall who felt the same.

A Monmouth University poll from December found very conservative Republicans preferring DeSantis to Trump on the 2024 ballot test.

The bottom line is that what happened to McCarthy and Trump’s inability to prevent a once-in-a-generation speaker ballot saga is a manifestation of what is going on among Republicans at large. Trump is no longer the dominant figure, untouchable by GOP voters. He isn’t even holding on to those Republicans who essentially thought he could walk on water.

This leaves the answer to the question of who wins the 2024 Republican nomination very much unclear at this point.

If he can't win the nomination, he can still fuck them by turning on them, he still controls 20% of republicans at a minimum. They fear him and he will walk his base out of the party, things are so tight in the states that not even gerrymandering can help them if that happens.