Examples of GOP Leadership

DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Bagginski said:
This is that thing I was talking about - the slow growth of deepening disgust at these people and the things they’ve done & tried to do. People have wondered why there wasn’t more outrage upfront, but consider: a tsunami is born when an earth movement of sufficient moment imposes an irresistible change, and the first visible sign is water receding.

Here, the movement event is Jan6, and the water in this case, are the inherently NOT dishonest, decent, self-respecting people who actually make an effort, old-GOP-affiliated voters, withdrawing & saying nothing as things unfold (still) & their understanding of the SCOPE of what’s happened grows increasingly uncomfortable.

Now we’re starting to see how far out the water has withdrawn…even though we won’t be able to see the wave of reaction for quite awhile. But there WILL be a wave. And it will be big.

Thing about conservatives who weren’t trained to be crazy, their moral compasses are okay - they’ll pitch in with the community when there’s a disaster of any kind, they generally try not to be assholes or cruel. Their self-respect hinges on that part of themselves. One thing I’ve said, over and over is that these decent, honest, people don’t like being lied to. They don’t like being deliberately deceived by people they think they know & believe they can trust. Violations of trust, confidence, hospitality ARE HUGE.

I’ve found it universally true that people who have their trust in another betrayed by that other sometimes turn on them; from my experience of the conservative life, actual holders of traditional values take lying, deceiving, betrayal real effing seriously.

IMO THAT is the wave that we will see: people who do indeed love their country, their homes & communities; people who see ever more clearly to their horror how they’ve been used against the nation; people who’ve been forced to accept - by the preponderance of the evidence - that this has happened because THEY trusted the wrong people, THEY believed the lies, THEY made the commitments that brought this shame, this disgrace, these crises upon them and their families.

And when it reaches land, that land will be scoured clean to atone for their failure as citizens to STAY AWAKE to the lies & cross-purposes around them. Not ENTIRELY their fault - they were deliberately deceived by highly-paid professional manipulators of public opinion who weaponized the best parts of themselves against them. For GENERATIONS.

I never thought I’d say something this dramatic, but we may see the complete destruction of the Republican Party in 2024, resulting from their complete abandonment by all but the GOOP still stranded in denial at that point. This could conceivably start w/ the failure of GOOP to seat a single senator, as well as the failure of their plans for a new administration.

‘24 has been called tough for the Dems because they have 20 seats exposed this year, but consider the mood - and then consider that backlash against the overthrow could throw seats into the D column…conceivably ALL 10 of them. Rinse & repeat for ‘26, 30 more senate seats come available. If I extrapolate conservatively from post-Watergate performance, there’s every reason to assume the party will not recover in time to save (all) their vulnerable seats in ‘26…the outcome of which will almost certainly be a veto-proof D majority.

The wave effect will be ongoing. Some will make it their life’s work to reverse the damage done, to make those responsible pay, to “ conserve better”. There are larger aspects, though.

There may be the first national conversation about who we are and what we’re okay with, and what we just won’t have - as a people, as a nation, as swirls of human culture, hope, & aspiration. THE FIRST since the founding.

Maybe the most far-reaching changes are likely to come from what I’ll call Catholic Schoolgirl Syndrome. Dunno where you’re from, but when I was in high school, Catholic girls were *notorious* for what they would get up to. I’ve been assured by a number of women who were Catholic school girls that they’re not just true, they’re barely the beginning.

So - what happens if the suddenly semi-woke who’ve been rethinking their life choices a lot since they were reminded the dog *can* bite, decide it’s time to say yes to everything once the things that held them together inside for so long start to dissolve?

I think they might just go wild. Do ALL the things they were told were wrong by the people who lied to them about so much for so long. Date boys? Date girls! Stop worrying? Learn something new! Try something only [boys/girls/poor people/rich people/this culture/that culture] do? Meet people who are different from you as if they were people!
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Even more reason to kill foxnews and others who lie to the public for profit and ideology. They have killed and fucked over enough Americans with lies and by supporting criminals and con artists while creating an alternate reality for them to operate within. When Trump hit those warm sewer waters, he was a natural swimmer and quickly owned the grifts of both the republican party and foxnews, Trump gained control of both almost instantly.
 
Bagginski

Bagginski

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cannabineer said:
A lovely reverie, but optimistic. I do hope you’re right.
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It *IS* optimistic in one sense: if our current political/cultural crises continue to play out on the same general track, then it’s headed in this basic direction. NOT a prediction, *nothing* certain, I am regulating my enthusiasm. IMO the only other track we could shift to would be the ‘2nd Amendment’ insurrection (introducing an overriding third track would involve something more cataclysmic/catastrophic than that…like maybe an invasion, or nuclear strike, or big effing rock from above, or Campi Flegrei opening up)

In another sense, it’s not so optimistic as practical. I’ve been running a mental model of US politics for the last 50 years, ever since I realized we could end up like the USSR if things went on. I’ve gone as deep and wide as I’ve been able to, and I have vivid personal memories of the pre-civil rights era & civil rights era in the deep south, starting with the Korean war & the HUAC hearings.

My predictive value was minimal, because things rarely went as I anticipated, but the accompanying investigations were invaluable. It remained fragmented (low-value) until I ran across a book I’ve recommended here before, Democracy in Chains. By itself, it connected enough of the pieces that the picture improved & I began to see the web behind our current situation. My picture is nothing like complete, of course, but my predictive value has gone up, so I’m more comfortable sharing more of it. If I were a statistician instead of a polymath, I’m certain I could improve my reliability, but…we’ll see, won’t we?

PS…I’ve not yet factored in the wave of ethical bullshit from SCOTUS, but I don’t think it will derail anything (except the coup plotters & funders, we hope). Just sayin’
 
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cannabineer

cannabineer

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Bagginski said:
It *IS* optimistic in one sense: if our current political/cultural crises continue to play out on the same general track, then it’s headed in this basic direction. NOT a prediction, *nothing* certain, I am regulating my enthusiasm. IMO the only other track we could shift to would be the ‘2nd Amendment’ insurrection (introducing an overriding third track would involve something more cataclysmic/catastrophic than that…like maybe an invasion, or nuclear strike, or big effing rock from above, or Campi Flegrei opening up)

In another sense, it’s not so optimistic as practical. I’ve been running a mental model of US politics for the last 50 years, ever since I realized we could end up like the USSR if things went on. I’ve gone as deep and wide as I’ve been able to, and I have vivid personal memories of the pre-civil rights era & civil rights era in the deep south, starting with the Korean war & the HUAC hearings.

My predictive value was minimal, because things rarely went as I anticipated, but the accompanying investigations were invaluable. It remained fragmented (low-value) until I ran across a book I’ve recommended here before, Democracy in Chains. By itself, it connected enough of the pieces that the picture improved & I began to see the web behind our current situation. My picture is nothing like complete, of course, but my predictive value has gone up, so I’m more comfortable sharing more of it. If I were a statistician instead of a polymath, I’m certain I could improve my reliability, but…we’ll see, won’t we?
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We have an economy-sized Campi Flegrei of our own. I’ve often wondered what would happen if someone dropped a cubic mile of nickel-iron at cometary velocity right into the corner pocket of the Yellowstone (Lava Creek) caldera. I figure it would be like shooting a warm can of soda.
 
Bagginski

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Could certainly replay the Mt. Mazama experience, for sure - but that would mess up everything, pretty much everywhere. Campi Flegrei OTOH has been increasingly active in the last few years, & people have noticed. It wouldn’t have to blow up entirely to kinda wreck the Mediterranean, plus it has a higher likelihood.

A similar astral blow on the south end of the Salton Sea would likewise punch a hole in the magma chamber there, but would also completely ‘redecorate’ California by landing @ the tight end of a rift zone & unzipping the tail of the San Andreas.

Then again, there’s Iceland & Indonesia as cometary/asteroidal targets - or Campi itself…but I choose not to worry about stuff like that.
 
BudmanTX

BudmanTX

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looks like anonymous has been doing a little research on the GOP and who some of they're donors are.....

totally approve.....go get them boys...oh and girls
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/senate-republicans-oppose-vote-just-raise-us-debt-ceiling-push-other-priorities-2023-05-06/

If i was in Biden's position, i would call mccarthy and mcconnell, with Schumer and Jeffries on the line, and give them this option.
" We're offering you the opportunity to cooperate on cleanly raising the debt limit. If you agree, you get to say you participated in bipartisan, cooperative lawmaking, and you don't get blamed for tanking the economy of the entire word. If you resist, i WILL mint a trillion dollar coin, and raise it without you, and we'll spend the next 17 months painting you as the fiscally irresponsible monsters who tried to destroy the economy of the US AND the entire world. Take it or leave it. NOW. "
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Roger A. Shrubber said:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/senate-republicans-oppose-vote-just-raise-us-debt-ceiling-push-other-priorities-2023-05-06/

If i was in Biden's position, i would call mccarthy and mcconnell, with Schumer and Jeffries on the line, and give them this option.
" We're offering you the opportunity to cooperate on cleanly raising the debt limit. If you agree, you get to say you participated in bipartisan, cooperative lawmaking, and you don't get blamed for tanking the economy of the entire word. If you resist, i WILL mint a trillion dollar coin, and raise it without you, and we'll spend the next 17 months painting you as the fiscally irresponsible monsters who tried to destroy the economy of the US AND the entire world. Take it or leave it. NOW. "
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The trillion-dollar coin is foul play. I hope the Biden administration is not seriously considering it.

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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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cannabineer said:
The trillion-dollar coin is foul play. I hope the Biden administration is not seriously considering it.
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what are your acceptable alternatives? because i don't see the republicans as having the intelligence to see the bottomless pit of of shit they're about to not only step into, but also drag a good portion of the country and perhaps the world into it with them...
So it's either DO something, or strap in for the ride into full blown depression, and world wide recession.
 
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