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Ah,i see....he advertises hlvd free
Well, many say that & people still get the virus from them. So that's why there's so much discussion on the topic. I got 4 clones from Homegrownursery and just tossed one b/c it had all 3 leaf leaves, which is either genetic or stress. I looked them up and despite their website, which looks good, it appears they operate out of a home based on CA secretary of state research. I haven't tested, but I'm going to run the other 3 and see how they flower & bleach clean everything afterwards.
 

Norml56

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If you aren't testing the clones yourself it's probably best to not buy any from the net. I've seen many reputable vendors end up passing it to others. It's just a matter of time. A lot are also in it for a fast cash grab and don't care if they are selling infected cuts.
 

Gsplover11

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Seems that there are more infected than not infected,,,i hear california is a bad state for this disease....
Can it effect humans if smoked?
 

compassionateExotic

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Seeds def can have hlvd (depending on who says it, 5-15%) , u can also show clean and this is why every labs suggest for hlvd to test monthly .

ive even see people lab test positive and get clean cuttings off fresh and retrial it and still not show dirty. interesting but not cemented or “proven” but thought that was interesting, basically new growth is beating the hlvd infection depending on the pressure/infection %
 

compassionateExotic

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So in 10ish years it will be 100%
Before legal and rec states these labs couldnt lab test it, before This there was many reports and discussion of what many people called “dudding”. I can def see in next few years exp when big pharm and big ag gets involved they will def have their breed stock and moms disease tested heavily (every other ag does ) and there’s def reason why.

well u can be as sarcastic as you want but these things do exist exp in farming and it’s a huge issue.its not like it’s only hlvd ethier cause there’s many diseases besides even hlvd are def confirmed in cannabis . It’s hard to test many virus/disease things cause a test for hlvd won’t find the other issues and its cost factor exp for small growers and must be done not just once . But I can def see it getting better and more on-site testing and cost but also if bought seeds or clones they will also have it tested for the well known diseases. Some breeders are already doing that for cannabis

 

GrownAtHighAltitude

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Hop latent viroid, a near impossible to eradicate virus that infects cannabis & people spread through clones. The manifestations are tricky to recognize, at least for me. deformed leaves, massive reduction in trichomes, and on and on. That's why you see people talking about testing and wanting "clean" clones.
Also no absolute proof it exists outside of academic research. The entomologists are still pushing back, there is no consensus here.

PCR tests are faulty and massively prone to errors and false positives. Soooo much being discussed about this topic after the last couple of years also.

Feel free to argue and disagree but this whole idea has spawned a multi-multi million dollar testing industry from out of nowhere. Oh, you have to test everything monthly now? What an expensive boogeyman...

Meanwhile, chemical hydroponic nutrient manufacturers still don't have to fully disclose what's in the bottle. PGRs still available with the same limitations. They're still being consolidated up into the mega corps that have been poisoning everything and everyone for decades.
 
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JustBlazin

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Also no absolute proof it exists outside of academic research. The entomologists are still pushing back, there is no consensus here.

PCR tests are faulty and massively prone to errors and false positives. Soooo much being discussed about this topic after the last couple of years also.

Feel free to argue and disagree but this whole idea has spawned a multi-multi million dollar testing industry from out of nowhere. Oh, you have to test everything monthly now? What an expensive boogeyman...

Meanwhile, chemical hydroponic nutrient manufacturers still don't have to fully disclose what's in the bottle. PGRs still available with the same limitations. They're still being consolidated up into the mega corps that have been poisoning everything and everyone for decades.
Well sir I can tell you from personal experience that this "boogeyman" as you call it does exist and it really fucks a garden up. I had to throw out all my mom's, pots, soil was a real bummer.
Now I test everything I bring in personally through tumi.
 

GrownAtHighAltitude

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Well sir I can tell you from personal experience that this "boogeyman" as you call it does exist and it really fucks a garden up. I had to throw out all my mom's, pots, soil was a real bummer.
Now I test everything I bring in personally through tumi.
Still no proof that it was an invisible viroid.

You could have had root aphids and not known it, for instance. Entomologists have pointed out multiple possible causal factors not often considered. This is why I said there is no consensus.

Heck, your soil could have been contaminated unless you tested every component you sourced and verified directly. I've bought plenty of soil in the past that was top grade expensive hydro-store shit but also carrying multiple infestations. Source components are each subject to a myriad of contamination issues, both chemical and biological.

There is very little regulation in this industry. Don't even get me started on bottled fertilizers, PGRs, and IPM products. We've been poisoning farm soil with dubious ag products for a half century now. Agribusiness is well adept at this now.

And after all that is fine, there are still non-zero risks with just plain old bugs getting in from wherever, unless your garden is setup with BSL procedures.

I'm glad to hear you're keeping Tumi in business and they make you feel better. But if you only test once, you could still be at risk so probably best to test with them every month, for every strain, forever.
 
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JustBlazin

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Still no proof that it was an invisible viroid.

You could have had root aphids and not known it, for instance. Entomologists have pointed out multiple possible causal factors not often considered. This is why I said there is no consensus.

Heck, your soil could have been contaminated unless you tested every component you sourced and verified directly. I've bought plenty of soil in the past that was top grade expensive hydro-store shit but also carrying multiple infestations. Source components are each subject to a myriad of contamination issues, both chemical and biological.

There is very little regulation in this industry. Don't even get me started on bottled fertilizers, PGRs, and IPM products. We've been poisoning farm soil with dubious ag products for a half century now. Agribusiness is well adept at this now.

And after all that is fine, there are still non-zero risks with just plain old bugs getting in from wherever, unless your garden is setup with BSL procedures.

I'm glad to hear you're keeping Tumi in business and they make you feel better. But if you only test once, you could still be at risk so probably best to test with them every month, for every strain, forever.
Well there is proof with the positive test for hlv i got. That proved to me that the dudding I experienced and documented on this site was from hlv. Well it couldn't have some from anywhere but the clones I had brought in. My soil was over 3 years old along with my keeper mom's. So literally nothing changed other than the clones I brought in. One was infected and infected my whole garden. Tossed everything and haven't seen the hlv since.i hope to never see it again.

Anyways believe whatever you like but please stop spreading your misinformation. You would think the mods would step in with this type of misinformation nonsense.

I hope you never have to experience hlv

Happy Growing
JB
 
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Midnight Runner

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Still no proof that it was an invisible viroid.

You could have had root aphids and not known it, for instance. Entomologists have pointed out multiple possible causal factors not often considered. This is why I said there is no consensus.

Heck, your soil could have been contaminated unless you tested every component you sourced and verified directly. I've bought plenty of soil in the past that was top grade expensive hydro-store shit but also carrying multiple infestations. Source components are each subject to a myriad of contamination issues, both chemical and biological.

There is very little regulation in this industry. Don't even get me started on bottled fertilizers, PGRs, and IPM products. We've been poisoning farm soil with dubious ag products for a half century now. Agribusiness is well adept at this now.

And after all that is fine, there are still non-zero risks with just plain old bugs getting in from wherever, unless your garden is setup with BSL procedures.

I'm glad to hear you're keeping Tumi in business and they make you feel better. But if you only test once, you could still be at risk so probably best to test with them every month, for every strain, forever.
Yeah you guys must all be noobs. It's clearly root aphids or contaminated soil. Or maybe you just forgot to water them.
 

jcdws602

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Please don’t listen to this person. We’ve had this same conversation on here before with a similar individual in the past. It’s just outright ridiculous to claim it doesn’t exist.

Hops latent viroid has been well documented in hops since the 70’s. It is not exactly known when it crossed over to cannabis but it has been decimating gardens for a while.

I ended up with it in my garden by getting clones from someone reputable here. Be smart and practice good sop’s when acquiring new cuts folks!
 
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