Will the real LSD-25 stand up? ! ?

freqazoidiac

freqazoidiac

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I haven't seen LSD in these parts for about 10 years...it was getting rare then, was easy to find early 90's late 80's.

There has been an approval to use LSD in a study..so they must have produced some, or have they just taken it off the shelf?


I just don't trust anyone that says have LSD. At least 10 people in the last 5 years have said "they could get some" but always come up short.

Since COcaine saturated the market, psychedelics are getting ignored...except for Salvia extracts available in variety/party stores.
Please avoid those products..they have bad karma and are not social tools.
Salvia Divinorum must be taken in respect and with a centered state of mind/spirit/body.

I have a loose theory, that these Ultra potent Salvia extracts are being sold, to scare the shit out of people , then in effect they stay away from entheogens..
due to the misdosage and usually improper setting. Just look on youtube for
all the messy experiences on these and other psychedelics.
People scared away from these, then lose sight of their core being,
which these plants help balance, but at lower doses..and possible higher dosage once you understand the inner and outerworkings.
Buy fresh dried leaves, organic grown, from hawaii, for some real natural magic.
If you have had leaf and smoked it in a bong, you should be able to experience the first doors of Salvia with one to one and a half leaf in a water bong. Problem is variety stores and head shops sell badly cured leaf usually. So the active ingredients have lost their effect. The other problem, is just not holding the smoke in long enough. Hold it in for as long as you can, it will hit you, you will know it, and the exhale will be like no other.

So back to LSD... does it exist???
 
Tizzle312

Tizzle312

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oh it does exist but yeah its about the hardest drug to find
i would say somewhere in Cali
i dont know why this happened but its just not around anymore
 
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peach

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I'm very interested in the swells in drugs, why they morph and get mixed up with other things and how it affects society and things like the art and attitudes they see and think about - what they think about themselves and their future.

Cocaine is made from coca, and it grows like a weed in south america - so obtaining it isn't an issue and processing it is childs' play (shipping out isn't). Cocaine can be synthesized from very easy to obtain basics, but the synthesis and chemicals involved are extremely involved and expensive unless you have a pharmaceutical company - to the point that it's essentially worthless to even a well equipped drug ring.

Amphetamines (phenylamines) are not very complicated molecules (especially the popular two), an oil from a pair of trees is not far from being amphetamine. There are many other naturally occurring, wide spread substances that can be manipulated without too many synthetic steps to obtain the amphetamine structure. The main oil was recognized by the authorities and regulated, causing a serious change in the quality and cost of things like molly, as well as the chance of you getting something else under the same name. The synthetic drug market for ampethamines has lost all the homebrewers and is now relying on people with the right connections to obtain this material or some dedicated individuals to work out the new methods of producing them from the less similar sources.

LSD is not complicated to make if you can obtain the precursor, the ergotamines (tartrate). Having seen the synthesis for numerous drugs, producing LSD from this precursor is on a level with ampethamines, easier if you consider some of the the more complex phenylamines.

The trouble is entirely with the precursor. LSD is a reasonably complicated molecule, and there isn't much in the naturally occuring world that is close in structure. This is the biggest blow to the availability of it. One of the only sources is ergot mold from rye.

Hoffman found LSD while he was doing pharmaceutical work for Sandoz. The company had discovered that herbal style ergot extracts where being used during childbirth to control bleeding and make giving birth easier. The poisoning effect from unprocessed ergot and the other ergotamine source tend to cause the abdomen to contract.

Ergot is also one of the few molds that can infect the human blood stream, so it wasn't safe to use it straight, which is why Hoffman became involved - processing the fungus extract to see if he could produce a drug he hoped would be useful for circulatory problems. People also recognized that after being exposed to ergotamines they would tend to have a clear headed feeling and so it was suggested as a treatment for cluster headaches.

While ergot grows in the wild, the concentrations of ergotamines in it are not great, and it is nowhere close to the prolific green and gray mold you see ripping across soil, bread and other things. I have worked for one of the nets biggest distributors of mushroom growing supplies and spent a long time reading into mycology, but not once heard or seen of someone growing ergot in the same way they can psilocybe mushrooms.

So Sandoz and some other companies set about a serious investigation into large scale production of ergot. They innoculated huge fields with overhead sprays and grew the mold in vast submerged culture breeder tanks - attempting to optimize the process.

What they discovered is that it the mold is inherently annoying to grow. Yeilds of the ergotamine would vary wildly between the samples they used to innoculate the big cultures. Some would produce enough, others nothing. Worse still, you couldn't keep recycling the culture, it's ability to produce seemed to decay with new batches.

The next issue for LSD labs was that easy to make, safer, effective alternatives began to appear, like ibuprofen and paracetamol, knocking the legal demand for ergotamine down to nearly nothing. As a result, it's industrial production is now basically none existent. It is an extremely well controlled precursor and the remaining legal sources don't supply it in the quantities needed to repeat a 60's experience - it would take years to collect enough headache pills to produce even a few grams.

When you look at the recent missile silo raid in which the biggest lab was found, the people involved had been involved from the early days. They were arrested with kilos of the precursor. While I don't know for sure, I would strongly suspect that they had a particular connection close to one of the few remaining industrial producers through which they were diverting these rediculous quantities. It's possibly they even were, in some way, attatched to the remaining producers.

When they were arrested, genuine LSD arrests in the US went vertically down a long way.

Around the same time, people were messing round with RCs, based on the easier to make phenylamine structures and with the capacity to fool those who weren't genuine 60's hippies into believing they had taken acid - long lasting, visual trips means acid to a majority.

I believe it's possible someone is still producing genuine acid, but knowing what I do about the history of it and RCs I am skeptical of anyone claiming to have easy access to it.

I know of two possible alternatives to ergot culturing that can be used to produce it. The first is difficult, the second is orders of magnitude more complex than the original methods of making it - more so than synthetic cocaine, it's complicated enough that'd it'd be an effort for a genuine organic chemist with free access to whatever he liked.
 
Twistyman

Twistyman

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Boy I remember the clinical acid (25) in the 60's + early 70's..........
Zoom...12 hours of walking through colors and trails.......
 
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ESStlyes

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Great post peach! Yes people are getting rc's today. there is a chemical chase going on. People are trying to find that next million dollar baby thats not on the hit list. Its kinda crazy when you look at the list of what can be passed off as LSD. I have a feeling that the only form lsd ever came in was liquid. I think this because when it was legal it was always in a liquid form. Then after it got scheduled micro dots, blotter and window pain acid made an appearance to the scene and so did the first reports of RC's being passed off as LSD. Just a theory.

BTW I am going to eat some Hoffman Paper today that I got 6months back and its dosed at 200mics supposedly. Its a wonderful trip just different than the WoW paper I have as well. Oh yeah and Deemster will be smoked durring the peak.
 
ANC

ANC

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Maaaaan!!!! its been so long I wouldn't know who to phone...

Kinda miss being able to see people for what they are.... The witches and angels.
 
maineiac

maineiac

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i agree with you completely on salvia. i have bought it three times, the first two were salvia zone i believe and the second was purple sticky salvia. Salvia zone was far better. the first time i used it was in a moving car.... bad idea. my best experiences have been outside, i live in a very rural area so it's all nice fields and small ponds and forest's so that's a great experience to have with a couple buddies now and then. I just feel that it's far too expensive to do habitually, i only do it a couple times a year TOPS.
 
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charliecapoe

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Last time i did lsd it was suppose to be 30 year old acid. 1/2 hit and was higher than ever before...lasted about 10 hours...the time before that was 2 hits blotter sunshine...It does exist
 
hemlockstones

hemlockstones

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just got rid of 2x100 sheet cards, actually cut up to be 2x150 (he hooked us up) cut it infront of us off a sheet that must of been 12"x12" or larger, we used the margin of a bill to measure doses, considered mild by most people who eat alot of acid.

all white papes on card stock... been around for a while on the east coast, not sure where it comes from
and RARELY see geltabs...little blue window panes, about twice as potent as the papers...

the times of $1xhit are over apparently, but i sure did give out a lot haha
 
shepj

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
There is an almost steady flow of very very legitimate LSD-25 in my area.. maybe it's your location? Whoever said the LSD synthesis is an easy one is a fuck-tard. It takes a very skilled chemist with a very sanitary and very expensive lab setup along with rather difficult to obtain precursors along with some semi-expensive reagents and such.

Comparing Salvia to LSD? Rediculous, Salvia doesn't hold a candle to LSD. Find a rave or a concert with a lot of hippy/stoner-ish people, you'll get some decent LSD (field test black light, LSD is fluorescent hence it will glow - although some rc's glow also... this is a way to see if it has something on the blotter).

And I have no idea as to the person claiming that amphetamine have lost all the homebrews... every heard of MDMA or Crystal Meth? Maybe even 4-Methyl-Aminorex? That shit is all homebrew, as any half assed chemist with a semi-decent lab can make all of that shit.

I have heard also that they are using LSD-25 clinically for the treatment of migranes and such... so maybe we will see it re-released onto the market in a few years to come once more.

But yes, it's still around.
 
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peach

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shepj said:
There is an almost steady flow of very very legitimate LSD-25 in my area.. maybe it's your location? Whoever said the LSD synthesis is an easy one is a fuck-tard. It takes a very skilled chemist with a very sanitary and very expensive lab setup along with rather difficult to obtain precursors along with some semi-expensive reagents and such.

Comparing Salvia to LSD? Rediculous, Salvia doesn't hold a candle to LSD. Find a rave or a concert with a lot of hippy/stoner-ish people, you'll get some decent LSD (field test black light, LSD is fluorescent hence it will glow - although some rc's glow also... this is a way to see if it has something on the blotter).

And I have no idea as to the person claiming that amphetamine have lost all the homebrews... every heard of MDMA or Crystal Meth? Maybe even 4-Methyl-Aminorex? That shit is all homebrew, as any half assed chemist with a semi-decent lab can make all of that shit.

I have heard also that they are using LSD-25 clinically for the treatment of migranes and such... so maybe we will see it re-released onto the market in a few years to come once more.

But yes, it's still around.
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you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about - i have so many separate issues with what you've said, almost every sentence has something incorrect in it. you're a prime candidate for RCs
 
Scuba

Scuba

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i live in nor cali and there is NO acid up here, none, zip, for about 3 months now. The instant i hear acid here i snap to who ever said it asking "WHERE!!!" lol
 
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Shpongle Spores

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man. it took me 2 fuckin years of searching before i found lsd. it was the most random thing ever too. I was runnin my homie his scale cause I was using it to scale out some DMT. There was some hippie with the dude sellin my homie bud and he wanted some of the DMT and I asked him if he could give me something other than money in return...what a great day....
 
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