Oaksterdam t-5 veg 600w hps flower

[Shrubs First]

About pruning the lower branches. It has various advantages over the unpruned
bushes which are so abundant on this website.

1. More airflow underneath the plants.

2. Less undergrowth and surface for pests to live.

3. Less humidity near the base, along with the better airflow
helps prevent the Powdery Mildew.

4. If you are feeding by hand applications, via either Pump/Waterwand
or with a simple watering pail it is easier access to the root zone.

5. Obviously when you trim those lower branches who's nuggets
wouldnt really amount to anything except air leafy matter, the
energy isn't lost, it is diverted, the mass/energy (because mass is energy)
that would have gone there will be redirected in to your main cola/colas...
Making the main colas that much more massive.

The disadvantages I see are mostly from mess ups. As long you don't trim
too much at one time, the plant will not halt growth. Trimming at several
stages, once/twice in veg, and once around 2-3 weeks in flowering will help
prevent over trimming at once.

We all want to grow all nug, not some nug, lots of stems and some leaf....
With indoor lighting your lights only have so much penetration, it is much
more efficient to focus that light and energy on the most productive zones.

 

[BooMeR242]

About pruning the lower branches. It has various advantages over the unpruned
bushes which are so abundant on this website.

1. More airflow underneath the plants.

2. Less undergrowth and surface for pests to live.

3. Less humidity near the base, along with the better airflow
helps prevent the Powdery Mildew.

4. If you are feeding by hand applications, via either Pump/Waterwand
or with a simple watering pail it is easier access to the root zone.

5. Obviously when you trim those lower branches who's nuggets
wouldnt really amount to anything except air leafy matter, the
energy isn't lost, it is diverted, the mass/energy (because mass is energy)
that would have gone there will be redirected in to your main cola/colas...
Making the main colas that much more massive.

The disadvantages I see are mostly from mess ups. As long you don't trim
too much at one time, the plant will not halt growth. Trimming at several
stages, once/twice in veg, and once around 2-3 weeks in flowering will help
prevent over trimming at once.

We all want to grow all nug, not some nug, lots of stems and some leaf....
With indoor lighting your lights only have so much penetration, it is much
more efficient to focus that light and energy on the most productive zones.

i concur

 

[BooMeR242]

right on shrubs, thanks for clearing that up. the plants are looking great today. the sativa, OGKGC that was 20" at start is now at 27" every cola stretching like crazy. i see the sativas getting way denser, not necessarily "stretching". new growth site, next day one or two more new growth sites in the same stalk, crazy! i feel like they're doing chill, they look happy. white hairs are getting longer! would you guys be adding molasses right now as well, what are the benefits?
what's the best way to use molasses? where do you get it?

IMO i used the unsulphered blackstrap molasses i picked up from a organic food store i get shit fo rmy meal plans from and i mixed 1-2tbs per gallon of water. i think it was just 1tbs per gallon. but anyways i used it when i did my feedings during flower. i never had any issues with sugar roots gnats etc. i even know growers that flush with RO water and mollasses for their final week as well. sugars can fatten up ur buds alot compared to no sugars. so def use it but ull have to find ur own level of feeding. im not saying wat i did is best but it worked for me and no side affects. we did same method for indoor and outdoors.
use a 5 gallon bucket with an airstone and pump from ur hydro store or fish store to keep water moving and airrated water. i was doin it with my organic mix so i let the molasses sit in the bucket for 48 hours airstone on then 24hours off to sit then i feed. thats just the method i used. im actually over doin the whole organic nute tea mix and shit its messy and takes a lot of time. id rec using a bigger rez like a trashcans or barrel for long runs. but im switching to nute line up products for my sugars and shit. doin organic urself is more controlable and cheaper as well. sumthing to consider hope it helps bro

 

[Shrubs First]

Reservoir is the way to go, but with that, just an airstone is not enough,


A simple aquarium blower in the reservoir keeps everything suspended
and mixing so you know every plant is getting an even distribution of nutrients.

I keep a pump connected to 2 large air stones along with 2 of these Koralia blowers
in my 20 gallon res, I also use an aquarium heater to get it to the proper temps, I
allow my nutes to mix and agitate for about 3-4 hours before application

 

[BooMeR242]

ya i forgot to mention the airstone pump is only good for the 5gallon bucket lol ud need more or a bigger air pump for a rez. but wat he posted above should work great. idk wat cost is tho so depends if u have a budget or not as well.

 

[Shrubs First]

$30-$40 depending on what size you get, I go with the Koralia 3's
which are rated for 400+ gallon fishtanks, so I know there is
plenty of movement, and with my air pump as well there is tons
of aeration.... When my nutes have been mixing and are up to
temp there is almost an inch of foam on top... Lookslike some frothy
deliciousness

 

[Kriegs]

Uhmmm... do we want to be filling up Drella's soil grow thread with hydro growing details and the best deals on airstones? Up to Drella, of course, and it's all great info, but...

 

[BooMeR242]

Uhmmm... do we want to be filling up Drella's soil grow thread with hydro growing details and the best deals on airstones? Up to Drella, of course, and it's all great info, but...

this is grow talk not irrelevent hydro. anyone who grows indoor is gonna use sum sort of rez for nutes or water. at least on a larger scale like wat im doin. yes of course u can spend more time doin cup fulls of nutes and like i said even a 5gallon bucket was too time consuming for me. but no matter wat u do ull need sum sort or airstone or pump like shrubs said.

we are discussing organic tea mixing and nute management. u need to keep ur water airated and water moving so its not stagnant. drella wants to use molasses he wanted to know the methods to use it. and here it is... (above)

 

[Kriegs]

this is grow talk not irrelevent hydro. anyone who grows indoor is gonna use sum sort of rez for nutes or water. at least on a larger scale like wat im doin. yes of course u can spend more time doin cup fulls of nutes and like i said even a 5gallon bucket was too time consuming for me. but no matter wat u do ull need sum sort or airstone or pump like shrubs said.

we are discussing organic tea mixing and nute management. u need to keep ur water airated and water moving so its not stagnant. drella wants to use molasses he wanted to know the methods to use it. and here it is... (above)

Cool... t'was just a thought. It's not my thread, after all. Peace.

 

[terrorizer805]

this is grow talk not irrelevent hydro. anyone who grows indoor is gonna use sum sort of rez for nutes or water. at least on a larger scale like wat im doin. yes of course u can spend more time doin cup fulls of nutes and like i said even a 5gallon bucket was too time consuming for me. but no matter wat u do ull need sum sort or airstone or pump like shrubs said.

we are discussing organic tea mixing and nute management. u need to keep ur water airated and water moving so its not stagnant. drella wants to use molasses he wanted to know the methods to use it. and here it is... (above)

Did you forget that he is growing in soil?
All I do is mix the molasses in with my nutrients in a 5 gallon bucket takes me no more than 3 mins to do, no need for pumps and air stones, unless of course you using hydro, which Drella is not.

 

[BooMeR242]

Did you forget that he is growing in soil?
All I do is mix the molasses in with my nutrients in a 5 gallon bucket takes me no more than 3 mins to do, no need for pumps and air stones, unless of course you using hydro, which Drella is not.

i did outdoor soil and indoor soil and use airstones for both to airrate my water and make my organic tea mixes that included gaunos fish emulsion bone meal and molasses and it sat for 48 hours mixing by the airstone so its evenly spread with my nutes in the water. then u water ur soil with the teamix. like i said earlier i used a 5 gallon bucket as well to do all my mixing but if u do larger grows its smarter to use a bigger rez.

 

[Drella]

Looking great. giving them they're 2nd feeding in bloom today, (i fed them veg nutes the day before throwing in bloom) First feeding in bloom i gave them 1/4 bloom nutes, this time i gave them veg nutes. i think im gonna feed them veg nutes one or two more times till i switch over to bloom only. First pick is of OGKGC and Hinidu Skunk. man, you really can tell the difference between sativa and indica! Second pick is of the two quirkels, what a strange growing, indica, weird, dense leaf formation. one is in FFOF, the other is in Sunshine mix. third pick is what looks like the starts of a flower on the hindu skunk. next picks are of the clones, (i think in like day 10), last pic is of the veg room. from left to right, front to back, LAOG, WWARX 3 cheese, LAOG, and OGKGC. the WWARX 3cheese is the revegged, mutant bush. probably gonna give the OGKGC away to a buddy, i got clones of her, it's kinda hard to keep mothers of sativa, at least for me. too much space take up! i got clones of her anyway! any comments are appreciated, sorry i havent been on lately, i got sick!

 

[Drella]

If you are going to use molasses make sure it's the unsulphered type, also I add 1 TBS per 2 gallons of H20 you can add more if you'd like but that's just me. Molasses feeds the benificial bacteria living in your soil. You can buy it at your local grocery store.

thanks for being the first to respond! i didn't know it was for that!

Or you can get a giant 2 gallon container of horticultural-grade molasses from your local shop for about $15.00. It WILL last you the rest of your life!


Drella - I wouldn't use any sweeteners yet, you'll end up with a sugar cube for a rootmass and the bugs will move in in droves. Fungus gnats everywhere. Just use a sweetener 2 or 3 times in the last 3 weeks of flower. Constantly feeding with it just invites pests. Some peeps on here use it all the time, but I wouldn't recommend it.

ha, dc always feeding my bargainer spirit!, thanks mang!
i aint gonna molasses yet, not this grow. maybe ill molasses earlier next grow, when i have more confidence. i think ill mollasses once buds form. thanks dc, i always take your advice to heart bro!

Well this is just me but I would grab Humboldt Honey ES... That would be a great
carbo supplement for your crop, it is basically a premium blend of cane molasses, yucca, kelp and ocean fish....Dankness

thanks shrubs, i think next grow i might add some of your hygrozyme and if i can find some, that humbolt honey, gave you great results!

 

[Drella]

About pruning the lower branches. It has various advantages over the unpruned
bushes which are so abundant on this website.

1. More airflow underneath the plants.

2. Less undergrowth and surface for pests to live.

3. Less humidity near the base, along with the better airflow
helps prevent the Powdery Mildew.

4. If you are feeding by hand applications, via either Pump/Waterwand
or with a simple watering pail it is easier access to the root zone.

5. Obviously when you trim those lower branches who's nuggets
wouldnt really amount to anything except air leafy matter, the
energy isn't lost, it is diverted, the mass/energy (because mass is energy)
that would have gone there will be redirected in to your main cola/colas...
Making the main colas that much more massive.

The disadvantages I see are mostly from mess ups. As long you don't trim
too much at one time, the plant will not halt growth. Trimming at several
stages, once/twice in veg, and once around 2-3 weeks in flowering will help
prevent over trimming at once.

We all want to grow all nug, not some nug, lots of stems and some leaf....
With indoor lighting your lights only have so much penetration, it is much
more efficient to focus that light and energy on the most productive zones.

great quote for those weary of pruning, thanks shrubs! im gonna clean them up day 13 or 14 i think, then no more pruning. can you prune a plant that is budding, that might shock it right? i mean when it strats budding, and you can tell what is gonna be weak nugs.

 

[Drella]

IMO i used the unsulphered blackstrap molasses i picked up from a organic food store i get shit fo rmy meal plans from and i mixed 1-2tbs per gallon of water. i think it was just 1tbs per gallon. but anyways i used it when i did my feedings during flower. i never had any issues with sugar roots gnats etc. i even know growers that flush with RO water and mollasses for their final week as well. sugars can fatten up ur buds alot compared to no sugars. so def use it but ull have to find ur own level of feeding. im not saying wat i did is best but it worked for me and no side affects. we did same method for indoor and outdoors.
use a 5 gallon bucket with an airstone and pump from ur hydro store or fish store to keep water moving and airrated water. i was doin it with my organic mix so i let the molasses sit in the bucket for 48 hours airstone on then 24hours off to sit then i feed. thats just the method i used. im actually over doin the whole organic nute tea mix and shit its messy and takes a lot of time. id rec using a bigger rez like a trashcans or barrel for long runs. but im switching to nute line up products for my sugars and shit. doin organic urself is more controlable and cheaper as well. sumthing to consider hope it helps bro

hey bro! hope everythings ok, let me know if i can help! i like your responses b/c i feel were similar, defn keep your advice in mind!

 

[Drella]

Reservoir is the way to go, but with that, just an airstone is not enough,


A simple aquarium blower in the reservoir keeps everything suspended
and mixing so you know every plant is getting an even distribution of nutrients.

I keep a pump connected to 2 large air stones along with 2 of these Koralia blowers
in my 20 gallon res, I also use an aquarium heater to get it to the proper temps, I
allow my nutes to mix and agitate for about 3-4 hours before application

hell yeah shrubs, showing us your secrets! i've always admired you're watering techniques! thanks for the valuable knowledge! i defn wanna setup a better watering setup next time, that shit is tiring mixxing it up every time, it'd be cool if i could setup a 20gal fish tank or something next grow, that'll keep my nutes fresh, or is that possible? how long do nutes stay fresh like that, you guys all rock by the way! thanks for all of the support everybody, i wish the fattest nugs on all!

 

[d.c. beard]

Hey man I'd stop using veg nutes since you're not vegging anymore. Your girls need the flower nutes now, and you can use them full strength if you want, just feed with pure distilled every third watering.

Why are all your leaves wet again? If you foliar spray in flower you're going to get a big harvest of botrytis...

 

[Rydub]

Looking good bro! I have to agree with DC dont spray in Flower. And dont be afraid to feed the shit out of the ladys. Right now there hormones are changing and there looking to take up some serious amounts of P and K. So sock it to em bro!

 

[socialsmoker]

plants lookn good that 600 will sure do the job


somebody said use h202 u cant use that n organic grows it will kill the good and the bad bacteria n soil grows

 

[terrorizer805]

Looking great. giving them they're 2nd feeding in bloom today, (i fed them veg nutes the day before throwing in bloom) First feeding in bloom i gave them 1/4 bloom nutes, this time i gave them veg nutes. i think im gonna feed them veg nutes one or two more times till i switch over to bloom only. First pick is of OGKGC and Hinidu Skunk. man, you really can tell the difference between sativa and indica! Second pick is of the two quirkels, what a strange growing, indica, weird, dense leaf formation. one is in FFOF, the other is in Sunshine mix. third pick is what looks like the starts of a flower on the hindu skunk. next picks are of the clones, (i think in like day 10), last pic is of the veg room. from left to right, front to back, LAOG, WWARX 3 cheese, LAOG, and OGKGC. the WWARX 3cheese is the revegged, mutant bush. probably gonna give the OGKGC away to a buddy, i got clones of her, it's kinda hard to keep mothers of sativa, at least for me. too much space take up! i got clones of her anyway! any comments are appreciated, sorry i havent been on lately, i got sick!

Looking great Drella keep it up.
I see plenty of greenage so that's a good sign.