MY True HP Aero Plug&Play Pods

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fatman7574

fatman7574

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The tank came with 12" wheels and handles like a hand truck used for boxes or furniture moving. Weight is pretty close. The tank with compressor was 88 inchs tall. Now it is only 70 inches tall. Over kill, but As i did not remove the air dryer from the compressor unit the compressor will appeciatte it. With the small stock tank the air dryer used too much of the air, but without the air dryer the small tank accumalated water too quickly. Maybe If I was not so old , fat and lazy the little tank would have been fine but I am not much for bending over that much.
 
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akaru

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If draining the tank was your problem, you could pick up one of those automatic drain kits that let out a burst every time the compressor kicks on. Or you could set up a solenoid with a remote switch. Either way having a big tank is nice. I want one just because a compressor kicking on for a few minutes once an hour or so is less intrusive than it kicking on for a few seconds every 20 minutes.
 
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Atomizer

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akaru said:
I just finished prototyping a siphoning nozzle/air compressor setup. I'm using the #8 nozzles. Works nicely, but one issue I'm working on is the placement of the liquid. If the liquid must travel upwards, there is a loss of air due to the nozzle having to siphon the liquid back up. If it is gravity fed, or even placed horizontally, the liquid will continue to siphon through the nozzle, dripping or flowing.
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Another simple fix might be to use a small header tank with an overflow back to the res along with a small pump. Set the overflow height in relation to the nozzle feed.
The small pump will keep the header tank water level constant so the air can start pulling water almost instantly. The tube to the nozzle would need to run upwards (like a water level tube in a dwc bucket) so it doesn`t syphon without the venturi effect of the airflow.
 
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akaru said:
If draining the tank was your problem, you could pick up one of those automatic drain kits that let out a burst every time the compressor kicks on. Or you could set up a solenoid with a remote switch. Either way having a big tank is nice. I want one just because a compressor kicking on for a few minutes once an hour or so is less intrusive than it kicking on for a few seconds every 20 minutes.
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It does have a valve that kicks the high end pressure through a dryer and through the compresseor heads and lines etc. It is pretty wasteful and a bit noizy. Not to bad with the large tank as the compressor seldom runs and I was able to adjust it to only blow off 2 psi of pressure through the dryer system.
 
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Wondering if I can even get a larger tank for my little compressor. Just got word back from the manufacturer, who recommends I not due to overheating the compressor. Not sure how much truth there is to that vs wanting to sell me another compressor. Right now, with a 1.6gallon tank
it cycles about cycles 22sec every 6 min. With a 30 gallon tank that would be about 7 mins / 1-2 hours, and a 60 gallon tank would be about 15 mins every 3 hrs. It does have an internal fan, but I'm not even sure if that still works as I got it used.
 
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Atomizer

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My greenhouse vertical uses a similar design except its circular and 2m high. Make sure you go at least 18" wide for the cavity, 2ft would be ideal if you wanted to plant both walls ;)
 
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Atomizer

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That old abbreviation never fails to conjure up images of soaked and drowning roots for me.
Totally Asphyxiated Grow would be more apt ;)
 
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Atomizer said:
That old abbreviation never fails to conjure up images of soaked and drowning roots for me.
Totally Asphyxiated Grow would be more apt ;)
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i like the reference to High Pressure aeroponics better as TAG refers to systems that people run at 50psi without short burst cycles(1-2 seconds).

i think any attempt to link TAG systems ive seen with high pressure aeroponics is futile as they do not operate under the same principles. i have yet to see a tag system with roots like an atomizer or high pressure aeroponics system. maybe there out there and i just havent seen one.

I love the idea of HP with vertical its the plant numbers im not keen on. the right vertical with HP could really do well. be nice to see someone design and build one.
 
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sherriberry said:
what we need are aero plug and play walls... to mimic heaths vertical grow tubes, but with true aero chambers that are about 5 ft tall, and have plants coming out the sides of them.

go over to his thread here:
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/149998-heaths-flooded-tube-vertical-74.html

i have my best one on the next page as well.

let me know what you think... i think its gotta be the best way to go per square foot and per light.
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Please do not place links or references to Heath's sad verticl grows here. A small tube grow is bad, a vertical small tube continous grow sytem is even worse. Any system where you are dependent upon an unnaturally high reservoir DO for sustaining a plants very life, yet alone growth is not a good system and should therefore not be referenced or promoted. Heaths vertical sytems is not a goog system made better, but is simply a cheap, poor system with tubes, throughs made in a coil instead of a series of straight channels. Bigger costs, bigger maintenance/operation hassles, but no real gains other than some horizontal space savings.
 
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fatman, you of all people should know that im not refering to heaths grow as the greatest...

i simply said... i posted up my idea for a hp aero vertical chamber over in this other thread...

instead of me posting it in every thread and hijacking every thread... once is enough.

there is the link to go look at my pictures to my high pressure vertical walls...

that i emailed YOU about less than 2 days ago...

i think you need to quit jumping to negative conclusions and read what i write the first time.
 
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sherriberry

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tree farmer...

i agree with you totally, true hp aero is way better.

the nice thing about these chambers is... they will work in the meantime and out perform heaths skinny grow tubes using 50 psi and 80 micron sprayers.

then, or if, a person already has the capability to go HP, like you guys do...

then do it.

its not that hard to swap from one to the other... the chamber stays the same...

just your stuff you have to buy anyway like tanks and lines and solenoids...

but the chamber doesnt change... so i dont see why everyone thinks im endorsing low pressure aero...

im not

im endorsing a vertical chamber wall.
 
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sherriberry said:
tree farmer...

i agree with you totally, true hp aero is way better.

the nice thing about these chambers is... they will work in the meantime and out perform heaths skinny grow tubes using 50 psi and 80 micron sprayers.

then, or if, a person already has the capability to go HP, like you guys do...

then do it.

its not that hard to swap from one to the other... the chamber stays the same...

just your stuff you have to buy anyway like tanks and lines and solenoids...

but the chamber doesnt change... so i dont see why everyone thinks im endorsing low pressure aero...

im not

im endorsing a vertical chamber wall.
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i didnt think you were endorsing lp aero. my coments were in reference to the word TAG that people so often refer too as true aeroponics. ive never seen a thread where someone called it a TAG grow and they were using high pressure aeroponics. to me high pressure aeroponics isnt about the pressure as much as its about being able to deliver the appropriate microdroplets at the correct amounts to achieve the root systems associated with atomized solution results.

if you have a 1000psi but cant control the mist cycles appropriately then it probably isnt going to achieve the same root system associated with controled atomized delivery systems.

if it wasnt for the numbers needed to run a vertical wall i sure would be trying to build one as im sure the HP and vertical together would be a great combo. i like vertical no matter what way you grow with as it seems to be easier to implement and makes good use of the light bulb.
 
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Atomizer

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I agree, high pressure water or compressed air provide the means to generate the correct droplet size.. "control" is ultimately responsible for the results ;)
Vertical fits my situation better than horizontal even though it involves more work, i guess everyone has to decide whats best for them.
 
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sherriberry said:
fatman, you of all people should know that im not refering to heaths grow as the greatest...

i simply said... i posted up my idea for a hp aero vertical chamber over in this other thread...

instead of me posting it in every thread and hijacking every thread... once is enough.

there is the link to go look at my pictures to my high pressure vertical walls...

that i emailed YOU about less than 2 days ago...

i think you need to quit jumping to negative conclusions and read what i write the first time.
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Not to be confrontational, but don't right something like this then expect me to not say something derogatory.. That system is much worse than just not the "greatest" it just flat out sucked. I see it as a vast waste of toime and money and notmuch more. Basicallt it is a tubular DWC in the round, oh my. True aero in a vertical I can see as a potentially good system, but anytime there is a confined roots system sitting in standing water that must receive its oxygen through the waters DO I am not interested in the design. That is the exact opposite of what an aero grower is trying to achieve... It would be nice to actually have about 18" diamter tubes flush with a floor with full 7 foot or eight foot tubes beneath the floor for aero roots misted by high pressure aero or air atomized nozlles but pretty expensive. That would be quite a sight to walk into a basement and see a room full of tubes filled with white roots.
 
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so how expensive are these timers that go off for a sec, and then on for a min?

problem is... im doing things with solenoids the fatman way, so the solenoid is charged to stay open...

but in staying open, it goes back to the main res

when it shuts, it is forced to go to the sprayers instead.

So what im saying is, i need a timer that goes OFF for a couple seconds, and then provide juice for a min or 2... however long.
 
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Atomizer

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Depends on the solenoid, if its a normally open type, it`ll close when you apply power to it. A normally closed type would be powered up most of the time which will reduce its life expectancy. A standard cycle timer will work for the N/O solenoid but you might need to add a relay for the N/C type. A 1 sec/1min cycle timer can cost as little as £2.50 ($4) if you make it yourself ;)
 
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Atomizer said:
Depends on the solenoid, if its a normally open type, it`ll close when you apply power to it. A normally closed type would be powered up most of the time which will reduce its life expectancy. A standard cycle timer will work for the N/O solenoid but you might need to add a relay for the N/C type. A 1 sec/1min cycle timer can cost as little as £2.50 ($4) if you make it yourself ;)
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You should start making and selling those timer boards. You would likely sell a huge number to forum growers. Lots of growers switching over to intermittant spraying.
 
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Atomizer

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The timer wouldn`t help in most of those cases..theres no advantage running a pump for a second. It seems theres a fair amount of resistance to the notion that using an accumulator is essential ;)
 
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