Cutting fan leaves

[Uncle Ben]

my name is shit and will always be shit but thanx for the vote of confidence.....neways it looks as if something inside me says "go for bonsai pot garden" like 20 plants less than a foot tall with yields of 2 or 3 grams......i could seriously get away with that as opposed to ne thing bigger.........stealth back yard gentleman.....im a kook and (lmao) a newb, yeah right.....wait till harvest and u guys pm me if i aint showin the goods and ripp me another butthole for being experimental......i can read and read what other people have done but there is no experience like the one you manifest yourself.....(that sounded prettybad ass right there) keep yall posted.......dont worry there will be buds......

As an aside, this issue has been discussed often. You need to do a search BEFORE posting another lame "remove the fan leaves?" threads. For example, I discussed it here: https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-m...51706-uncle-bens-topping-technique-get-2.html

 

[zeyroc420]

what abouit fan leaves during flowering period?do/can you trim them then?

 

[johnnytoobad]

As an aside, this issue has been discussed often. You need to do a search BEFORE posting another lame "remove the fan leaves?" threads. For example, I discussed it here: https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-m...51706-uncle-bens-topping-technique-get-2.html

so ne ways one plant that i left with only 4 fan leaves and femmed and tied down after that has its little nubs turning up allready in jus ova 36 hrs. This is more like my take on what you can do. i never really asked for advice i asked if its been done and if so waht results.....alas i think ur topping and femming guides are steared towards getting yield appropriately and ergonamoically for the plant....And ive said again and again that i hope to have a lil weired out runt. alas none of the RIU users have come foward with such a pic so i will make one myself...im not hung up on yield or size or high....I jus like growing plants in general and manipulating nature to My Will......yeah go ahead and clip leaves in budding if there covering a substanial bud spot sheesh noob theres a thread for that....JK

fo real though youll see what I get

 

[joshthegoth]

I say only if its careful and strategic fan leaf trimming, like if one fan leave is blocking light for another plant or bud or another fan leaf, then trim that one don't go nuts on it though. maybe when it gets more near harvest time start to cut a couple more fan leafs up til harvest to get your buds slightly bigger

 

[sven deisel]

snip away i do t during the whole growth dont listen to these copy and paste fucktards that just pass around the same stale info to each other even sub recomends trimming
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[pack a matic]

i think the plant knows what its doing i just looked up under the fan leaves and its bright green,light does pass through the leaves plus if you had a time laps camera you would see the plants moving all around to get light.

 

[DaveCoulier]

i think the plant knows what its doing i just looked up under the fan leaves and its bright green,light does pass through the leaves plus if you had a time laps camera you would see the plants moving all around to get light.

Your a smart guy. Light definitely passes through leaves, and buds dont drive photosynthesis, but some people here would like to believe so. They can by all means remove/clip, mangle their fan leaves all they want, and they'll only get less yield, but if they think nature doesn't know what she's doing, then by all means go ahead and start stripping those leaves.

P.S. This is the same type of shit that goes on with tomato growers, but the experienced tomato growers will tell you leave those leaves alone if you want max yield. Its so bad, there is even a book out there that tells you to remove 90% of your leaves and you'll get insane yields. Anyone here want to try that with MJ and see what happens? Hmmm

 

[johnnytoobad]

seriously people read the first post in the thread to see what the goal is here.... here is my mangled, Lst, femmed, and manicured plants fan leaves that i hope to keep stunted and weird and shitty

 

[Uncle Ben]

Based on the knowledge base of this group, I recommend you remove all fan leaves.

Enjoy your harvest,
UB

 

[johnnytoobad]

Based on the knowledge base of this group, I recommend you remove all fan leaves.

Enjoy your harvest,
UB

I appreciate sarcasism as opposed to down right shitty ness.....lol yeah buddie all the fan leaves....ne ways i think this will ultimately keep them small...like i said i got a perpetual short rider i aint messin wirh and there is 2 MORE IN the yard that are untouched....

 

[plaguedog]

You must not be familiar with SCROG is all i have to say. The point is this. The farther away from the bulb the less usable light is available to make flowers with. When you prune the lowest branches and leaves this forces the plant to prioritize its top growth that is close to the bulb. The idea is to get as much of the plant as close to the light as possible and when many plants are so close together, many lollipop/remove the lower branches that will not produce much and thus are a waist of energy using nutrients and what not to construct. Not to mention even though you are removing parts of the plant, consider the roots havent lost any size.

If the light is intense enough then I agree but if it is not, I will argue pruning when done correctly helps yield.

And scrog has really nothing to do with cutting fan leaves. You trim the bottom to prevent other issues. The reason you get an increased yield with the tedious scrog method is because of training the plant. Guess what, you don't need a screen to train it.

All I know is with over 10 years of growing vegetables and other plants is my yields are substantially increased with healthy foliage. The better the plant looks in veg and the more leaves the bigger yeild. this is basic, high school level horiculture......
Forums like these are just another avenue for spreading false information.

But really, if you want to fuck your yeild up, be my guest and cut your plants to pieces.

Or how about just trim one plant and let another grow and compare results?

Like I said previously......

 

[Uncle Ben]

But really, if you want to fuck your yeild up, be my guest and cut your plants to pieces.

You mean you shouldn't strip off all the leaves but the top two?

 

[Uncle Ben]

P.S. This is the same type of shit that goes on with tomato growers, but the experienced tomato growers will tell you leave those leaves alone if you want max yield. Its so bad, there is even a book out there that tells you to remove 90% of your leaves and you'll get insane yields. Anyone here want to try that with MJ and see what happens? Hmmm

I have some old hippy type friends and she did the same thing, snipped off the "suckers". I asked her why, "cause someone said it increases yields." I asked her what produces the fruit, she answered, "leaves", I said, "then why are you removing them?" They are "alternative" types, homeopathic health medicine, tonics, anti-Round-Up, all kinds of wacked out thinking. Good folks other than needing to follow alternative cult type thinking. I let her pick tomatoes off my 7' tall, 5' wide plants....all she wants.

UB

 

[cannabluntcies]

And scrog has really nothing to do with cutting fan leaves. You trim the bottom to prevent other issues. The reason you get an increased yield with the tedious scrog method is because of training the plant. Guess what, you don't need a screen to train it.

All I know is with over 10 years of growing vegetables and other plants is my yields are substantially increased with healthy foliage. The better the plant looks in veg and the more leaves the bigger yeild. this is basic, high school level horiculture......
Forums like these are just another avenue for spreading false information.

But really, if you want to fuck your yeild up, be my guest and cut your plants to pieces.

Or how about just trim one plant and let another grow and compare results?

Like I said previously......

You simply don't understand the logic i've provided. Outside (where light intensity is extremely high) removing photosynthetic tissues is a surefire way to slow what would otherwise have been a bigger higher yielding plant (this we both agree on). INDOORS plants are usually competing with one another for light and that light is in many cases no where near as bright as the sun. the reason I brought up scrog is the idea of building a canopy around the light is the most efficient way to absorb it from that LIMITED light soruce. The logic behind this is you want as much photosynthetic tissue as close as possible to this light source. If allowed, not only will they spend energy stretching for the light, the lower shoots will produce undesirable "popcorn buds". Using ATP and nutrients the plant grows/literally builds itself. If removed the plant will no longer invest resources in shoots that werent going to do much anyway and focuses elsewhere.

Removing top fan leaves that are shading bud sites is working against yourself. Im trying to make a point though. Don't be so quick to dismiss logic as false when what is being presented is obviously not understood.

-best wishes

 

[Uncle Ben]

INDOORS plants are usually competing with one another for light and that light is in many cases no where near as bright as the sun.

Not true. You obviously haven't taken the measurements. The sun is not necessarily stronger than a HID. It depends on distance from the source to the leaf and other factors.

 

[cannabluntcies]

Not true. You obviously haven't taken the measurements. The sun is not necessarily stronger than a HID. It depends on distance from the source to the leaf and other factors.

What measurements? Lumens? The colors the human eye sees best unfortunately enough is about the opposite what plants use to make food. Obviously at close proximity a vented 600W HPS is going to be more intense than the sun and with mylar the effect is compounded. However this is why Chose the word "many" as not everyone uses such powerful fixtures. Like I have said, if the source is intense enough than lollipoping is hurting yield. My point is only valid when there is limited light.

 

[Uncle Ben]

What measurements? Lumens? The colors the human eye sees best unfortunately enough is about the opposite what plants use to make food. Obviously at close proximity a vented 600W HPS is going to be more intense than the sun and with mylar the effect is compounded. However this is why Chose the word "many" as not everyone uses such powerful fixtures. Like I have said, if the source is intense enough than lollipoping is hurting yield. My point is only valid when there is limited light.

Points well taken. Recommend you read the Lollipopping thread if you haven't already.

 

[johnnytoobad]

i gotta add i dont disagree with all the opinions shared on cutting fan leaves....i know they are a plants circulatory system...ne ways so far its working femming and topping hasnt killed them. neither did leaving them with 2 leaves. so they are staying nice and small....once again i can get away with 5 lil plants as opposed to 1 big plant

 

[LandoDragons44]

Hey Uncle Ben and others who say NO to cutting fan leaves,

You are right! Just say NO! Not worth it! Your yeilds will go down and your plants are more likely to get sick and die. Indoor plants might not get sick but outdoor ones will most certainly die. Over watering and Nute burn becomes a huge issue if you cut the fans. No stomas no good. However I do have a question. My main growing experience comes from growing blueberry bushes, strawberrys, and other fruits. I have grown MJ outside many times but have taken it inside for the first time and I'm pretty much growing them like you would indoor tomatoe plants(more or less). Things are great, but I am wondering about training my fans to one side and growing my branches up/getting my branch sites more direct light during the veg phase kinda a scrog but not really. Is this a good idea or should I let it alone?

Also, for the guy who started this thread. If you want small plants for a long time use T8 or T12, i use phillips daylight & plant tubes together, Fluor tubes and keep them at max 2inches off the top of the plant and keep lights on for 24 or 18/16. You could even use cfls in the same manner. I have started plants like this for years not just MJ either. Actually installed a fluor ballast under my bed while at school, bed skirt hide everything and you could get fancy and get a drip system going too!, and I would start plants in mid march and by the time may came around and I went home I was able to plant nice bushy tastelings outside that have no problems going foward. Mr. Widow actually touches on this in his grow guide on here. Keep the Fans and grow Nice Plants.

PS: I know my spelling and grammar stinks. I wrote this quick. Also does anyone have experience with PlantLife Products Nutes. I am using Jungle Juice 17-15-17 cut WAY back. I have been star struck by the results so far but I havent seen people using these products. Thoughts, maybe new forum topic?

 

[Notchibald Johnson]

And scrog has really nothing to do with cutting fan leaves. You trim the bottom to prevent other issues. The reason you get an increased yield with the tedious scrog method is because of training the plant. Guess what, you don't need a screen to train it.

All I know is with over 10 years of growing vegetables and other plants is my yields are substantially increased with healthy foliage. The better the plant looks in veg and the more leaves the bigger yeild. this is basic, high school level horiculture......
Forums like these are just another avenue for spreading false information.

But really, if you want to fuck your yeild up, be my guest and cut your plants to pieces.

Or how about just trim one plant and let another grow and compare results?

Like I said previously......

Hi everybody! Plaguedog vs MOFOS 1-0 I also was one of the "MOFOS" cutting off fan leaves to "promote" budsites...LOL! Leaves are light catchers and I done plants side by side to see how they turned out. Those stripped off fan leaves to "promote" budsites tasted bit harsh, had lots of defeciencies and buds were smaller. Those "left alone", I tucked away only few large fan leaves, kept their green a lot longer in 12/12, only lil defs., A LOT better taste and potency. The large fan leaves are also good to leave for other reasons than to catch light, they take on most off the "heat" when getting burnt or deficient. When I have lollipopped plants due to too much stretch in 12/12 (I use 400W and it doesn't penetrate a 3 feet plant) I leave the fan leaves on the bottom till they drop off, as I said before they take on most of the "heat"...

You mean you shouldn't strip off all the leaves but the top two?