Lemon skunk 12/12 from seed

Cannaman C

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This is a soil grow straight from seed in2 12/12 they r 5 weeks old and in the 1st week of true flowering if that makes sence? They r lanky and dont look great but judge the yield and dankness at the end of the thread coz thats wot counts. Ill put new pics up every week and hopefully prove u 12/12 from seed haters WRONG!!!
 

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ColoradoLove

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There's 12/12 from seed haters? What are they hating on?

Looking good so far. No question 12/12 right away is quicker, but there's always a smaller harvest
 
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Excellent grow! I am convinced this is going to be a pioneering moment as far as my own bud expeditions are concerned.

Is that three plants you have going? how high are the tallest and shortest?

They are tall and that is because you have purposefully stretched them. I take it you have used this process before and had plants at a similar height when at 5 weeks? If so, what kind of yield did you get after drying/curing?
 
Cannaman C

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U get less flowering points than when veggin but big dank kolas. less flowering points means the plant puts all its energy in2 the fewer flowering points it has witch = fewer but bigger dank buds. yea man as long as u got the rite strain 60/40 sat and u strech em u will b happy straight from seed in2 12/12. this is my 3rd grow in this mannor and i aint been disapointed yet. 1-2 oz per plant of big dank buds
 
Cannaman C

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These peeps who say u get less of a yield really dont kno wot they r talkin about ive done both and can truely say there is no difference if u know wot ur doing. people reed shit and take it 4 gospel coz they r like sheep and follow the herd. evolution is in our nature so we do wots best 2 evolve do u dare lol
 
probo24

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Not to mention, those people have probably never let a plant grow until it's fully mature
I went 12/12 so these would finish by July 5th or 6th which gives me 14 weeks total growing
time and 12 weeks of growth after sex was determined.
All that said, if they aren't done by then, they won't come down until they look ripe.
 
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Here are my 2 babies both 12/12 from seed. WW x BB is 25 days old and the PURE AK is 2 days old, the PURE AK has stretched quite a bit, apparently that is what I want right. Any advice or observations guys and girls?

WW x BB 25 Days Old - 12-12 from seed.jpgPure AK 2 Days Old 12 - 12 From Seed.jpgWW x BB 25 Days Old - 12-12 from seed.jpg
 
ColoradoLove

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Cannaman C said:
These peeps who say u get less of a yield really dont kno wot they r talkin about ive done both and can truely say there is no difference if u know wot ur doing. people reed shit and take it 4 gospel coz they r like sheep and follow the herd. evolution is in our nature so we do wots best 2 evolve do u dare lol
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Wrong. If vegetative growing did not improve the yield of a plant people wouldn't do it. Not trying to start anything but don't be a douche just because you do things a certain way. I've got no issue with you starting in 12/12, you can do as you like. But to question the intelligence of the people who choose to use a veg cycle is lame.
 
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ColoradoLove said:
Wrong. If vegetative growing did not improve the yield of a plant people wouldn't do it. Not trying to start anything but don't be a douche just because you do things a certain way. I've got no issue with you starting in 12/12, you can do as you like. But to question the intelligence of the people who choose to use a veg cycle is lame.
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I dont think he was questioning anyones intelligence, but most people do say let your plants veg for a bit, and they have probably not ever tried 12/12 from seed, which is why its frustrating at times. Others have tried it once and failed and reverted back to vegging first. But who gets great results on their first attempt of anything? It is all down to technique I reckon, and strain. I know a lot of people who use only the 12/12 method now. There's a guy on icmag who has produced a gram a watt using this method... it is all down to technique.

I think using a vegg period is safer and will probably get you a better yield, but wheres the fun in that? :D
 
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ColoradoLove said:
Ah, must have mis-read that.....
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Well ok let's analyse what he said closer.

Firstly, most people are like sheep if we're honest about it. In fact, the general population of human beings are very much just like sheep. There are many examples to show this :)

Secondly, he says, those who say you get less yield dont know what they are saying. Again this is true, because it's been shown to produce the same yield - if done correctly. And so that brings in the "there is no difference if u know what you are doing" part.

So whilst he may have said things in a more provocative way, I wouldnt say he was wrong... actually, he was pretty bang on!

love the juicy fruit grow by the way... :)
 
Cannaman C

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Thans wondering star i couldnt of put it better myself. your gals look very nice if u could get the seedling close 2 the light 4 a week then start letting it strech thats how i do it. There is no right or wrong its jus my prefrence
 
ganjaluvr

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Cannaman C said:
These peeps who say u get less of a yield really dont kno wot they r talkin about ive done both and can truely say there is no difference if u know wot ur doing. people reed shit and take it 4 gospel coz they r like sheep and follow the herd. evolution is in our nature so we do wots best 2 evolve do u dare lol
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I have to disagree with you. It's a fact man, I know from experience. Not reading it somewhere.. and then acting like I know what I'm talking about.

It's really common sense bro.. if you really think about it. 12/12 from seed will ALWAYS yield less bud (total weight). Why? Because its simple dude.. I mean that is if you know anything about Botany. Marijuana plants really should get some veg time. Why? Because during the veg cycle, that plant is growing. Not only growing more foliage and such, but the root system of the plant is also getting bigger and more widespread. Starting a plant in 12/12 from seed... doesn't give the plants roots much time to expand and grow.. thus resulting in smaller buds and yields. The bigger and more roots that your plant develops.. the more and the bigger your buds will be. It's simple.. the smaller and less roots your plant has.. the smaller your yield (buds) are going to be.

The bigger your roots.. and the more veg time you give your plants.. the bigger your yield (buds) are going to be. Why? Because you've given your plant time to develop a nice & big, strong root system.. during that veg time.

That's really the reason that most experienced growers (such as myself..) like to give our plants at least two weeks worth of veg before switching them over to flowering. Because we know from experience... that if we don't give our plants time to develop a nice big network of roots.. we're not going to have much bud in the end.

I'll go ahead and say this before someone comes in and try's to argue with me on this... All my fellow experienced growers that read this, will know what I'm talking about.. and should agree with me. Hell, they might even have something else to add.. that I may have forgotten to say or whatever the case may be.

And for those of you... who think that what I just explained is wrong. Well, I'm not wrong.. and in fact, if you go and read up on growing cannabis.. you'll see that I'm correct on what I said.

But either way.. you got your haters who just like to argue and act like they know it all; then you got the people like me.... experienced with growing cannabis.. and who may also do what I do.. and try and explain things to people.. and try and help the noobs with any questions that they may have.

Also, last but not least, I too.. do not know it all. Never have (or will) claim to know it all.. because even with my two years of growing experience.. I too still learn things about growing cannabis each and every day just about. But when I know the answer to something.. and I know that I'm 100% right.. then.. and only then will I try and help.

Speaking of which.. I still haven't gotten any good literature on the 'SOG' or 'SCROG' growing method. Anyone have a good link.. or any good literature on those growing methods? I've no experience with either one of those growing methods.. but I'm thinking that once after these two plants of 'Nirvana's 'ICE' that I have going right now are done.. and harvested.. I'm thinking of using one of the three 'ICE' seeds that I have left.. and using it to try out my first attempt at the either the 'SOG' or 'SCROG' grow method. So again if anyone out there has some good links for those methods.. it sure would be appreciated greatly by me if you could be so kind to share those links with me. :)

Hope this helped!!

Peace.
 
Hydrochronics

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ganjalovr is right. The more veg time you give a plant the larger the yeild. so long as the light is intense enough to support the plant as it gets larger in flower.... then the yeild is larger and larger depending on the veg time. It is not always the most productive method though becuase a larger number of smaller plants with an even canopy would yeild more then one huge plant. but thats another topic. Either way good job. What was the end yeild?
 
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Cannaman C said:
Thans wondering star i couldnt of put it better myself. your gals look very nice if u could get the seedling close 2 the light 4 a week then start letting it strech thats how i do it. There is no right or wrong its jus my prefrence
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Hey dude, osmeone sent me this link, and it may have been you but just incase it weren't I sent it toy you. I read through it all yesterday and the guy does exactly what you are doing, stretches plants to grow more bud 12/12 from seed. Man he pulls an oz per plant in 16oz cups, he does have a couple in 6" pots [5ltr] but in his grow it makes no difference to end yield - only how often he has to water. Plenty of people disagree with this too, but then Atmosphere from ICMAG pulls a gram a watt in 1 ltr pots using CFLS - Oh Lord, what is the world coming to, it's like the laws of nature and physics are breaking down in the worlds of weed growing :)

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/151253-12-12-seed-harvest-1-a.html
 
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ganjaluvr said:
I have to disagree with you. It's a fact man, I know from experience. Not reading it somewhere.. and then acting like I know what I'm talking about.

It's really common sense bro.. if you really think about it. 12/12 from seed will ALWAYS yield less bud (total weight). Why? Because its simple dude.. I mean that is if you know anything about Botany. Marijuana plants really should get some veg time. Why? Because during the veg cycle, that plant is growing. Not only growing more foliage and such, but the root system of the plant is also getting bigger and more widespread. Starting a plant in 12/12 from seed... doesn't give the plants roots much time to expand and grow.. thus resulting in smaller buds and yields. The bigger and more roots that your plant develops.. the more and the bigger your buds will be. It's simple.. the smaller and less roots your plant has.. the smaller your yield (buds) are going to be.

The bigger your roots.. and the more veg time you give your plants.. the bigger your yield (buds) are going to be. Why? Because you've given your plant time to develop a nice & big, strong root system.. during that veg time.

That's really the reason that most experienced growers (such as myself..) like to give our plants at least two weeks worth of veg before switching them over to flowering. Because we know from experience... that if we don't give our plants time to develop a nice big network of roots.. we're not going to have much bud in the end.

I'll go ahead and say this before someone comes in and try's to argue with me on this... All my fellow experienced growers that read this, will know what I'm talking about.. and should agree with me. Hell, they might even have something else to add.. that I may have forgotten to say or whatever the case may be.

And for those of you... who think that what I just explained is wrong. Well, I'm not wrong.. and in fact, if you go and read up on growing cannabis.. you'll see that I'm correct on what I said.

But either way.. you got your haters who just like to argue and act like they know it all; then you got the people like me.... experienced with growing cannabis.. and who may also do what I do.. and try and explain things to people.. and try and help the noobs with any questions that they may have.

Also, last but not least, I too.. do not know it all. Never have (or will) claim to know it all.. because even with my two years of growing experience.. I too still learn things about growing cannabis each and every day just about. But when I know the answer to something.. and I know that I'm 100% right.. then.. and only then will I try and help.

Speaking of which.. I still haven't gotten any good literature on the 'SOG' or 'SCROG' growing method. Anyone have a good link.. or any good literature on those growing methods? I've no experience with either one of those growing methods.. but I'm thinking that once after these two plants of 'Nirvana's 'ICE' that I have going right now are done.. and harvested.. I'm thinking of using one of the three 'ICE' seeds that I have left.. and using it to try out my first attempt at the either the 'SOG' or 'SCROG' grow method. So again if anyone out there has some good links for those methods.. it sure would be appreciated greatly by me if you could be so kind to share those links with me. :)

Hope this helped!!

Peace.
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Wow that's a long post, I read it, however I disagree that 2 years of growing makes you an experienced grower... cos I don't consider myself an experienced grower at all. Also if bigger roots grow bigger buds, then how come this guy can produce a gram a watt using 1 ltr pots, and 12/12 from seed? ... and this guy does pretty well too in 16oz cups

I bet if you or I did the same grow in our big pots and big lights we'd be lucky to get what he does... so where does that leave a) the more veg more yield statement? and b) the more roots the more bud? Roots grow in flower too btw, don't know how much but I know they do.

I think you can argue that bigger plants generally i.e. height, root mass, leaf mass - will produce bigger flowers. But in my humble opinion, bigger yield is more related to your light and how well you care for your plants.
 
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