Not Happy With yield please help!!!

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TonyPizzle187

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Ok so I have what I think is a decent setup

-1000 Watt HPS (Flower) 9x9 Room
-40,000 lumen t5 light (Veg) Small Closet
-Mylar on the walls
-Temps around 74 humidty 50%
-Fox Farm Ocean Forest
-Fox Farm 3 Pack Nutes
-2 gal Perfect Pots

I have grown 6 strains from clone LSD (3 phenos), Lemon Skunk, Northern Lights, and White Widow. I also raised 11 females from bag seed/Jamaican seed first crop.

First Crop I flowered 24 plants. This crop only 12 because I couldn't get all 24 ready in time.

I switch the lights on em at 1ft for the satavias (get really tall 5-6) and the indicas at 2ft, bush out and goto like 3.5ft
First Crop I topped all the plants, as well as trying some supercroping out. Second crop no toping was done.

First and second crop average yield about 20 grams a plant.....I was happy the first time with the 24 but with the 12 I feel 20 grams is pathetic. Really upset, running a nice room plants look superhealthy throughout just not enough bud. ( got aerocloner so I can always run 24 here on out.)

Now I think my problem is my 2 gal pots, if you agree tell me how much of the problem you think it could be causing.
 
BluffinCali

BluffinCali

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I would go with 3 or 5gl pots, I usually veg for 8-10wks, 1400w mh for veg, 2000w hps during flower, always over 2oz/plant, Ive had some plants last cycle supposedly called blue crack that I got over 6 oz off of, but usually between 2-4 oz depending on strain. Anyways I would for sure get bigger pots, but even with 2gl pots you should be getting more, I like to veg longer than most people Ive had cycles vegged for over 3 months but Ive found that little over 2 months after transplanting into whatever pot/medium its final home is, seems to work good, but longer you veg the bigger the buds, but it all depends on how quick you want a harvest.
 
BluffinCali

BluffinCali

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Any leaks would really hurt, probably cause some branches to hermie aswell as stunt growth, were the trichs ripe when you cut the different strains? Also after flipping about how long did it take before you saw first signs flowering?
 
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TonyPizzle187

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The room is pitch black, The lemon and the Northern are strong sativa phenos, They were making some nice colas, I thought they were done on my first grow but here on the second I am sure they not. I harvested the indicas, and Im gonna give the sativas another month. I do think it could be a strain issue but I have tried a few at this point, Maybe I'm just unlucky? The LSD is my best strain for sure but I wish it would get that much bushier or have a better cola. I'm open to new pruning techniques, I'm thinking about trying to lollipop.

When I switch the lights, They stretch for a week, Then week 2 little buds start to form, week three there a little more defined, and then it starts packing on the bud weight, or lack there of.
 
brickedup417

brickedup417

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do you gott ur lights right on top of them, are temps and air flow good? you wouldnt belive what compost teas and the right food/micros will do
 
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TonyPizzle187

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i haven't used any of the water solubles, the only nutrient i have used it fox farm 3 pack. I have an umbrella with the vertical bulb, really bright and there, and yes I have a heat exhaust, osolating fan, and portable a/c
 
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TonyPizzle187

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I would like to add lighting but it seems i haven't even taken advantage of the light I have already.

If anyone has any other ideas or give a second opinion it would be much appreciated.
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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Dialing in things like when and how much to water, and when and how much to feed, is something that will come with experience. After a lot of trial and error, you'll settle into a schedule that works for you and your plants. One thing off the bat that I noticed, and it was mentioned before, go with bigger pots. 3-5 gallons as suggested. Get 5 gallon buckets and go with 3 gallons of soil which should give our plants some room to stretch. Post some pics of your plants as that will help determine if you're doing something wrong. I also think your temps are kind cool. I run at about 80-85* which allows the plants to transpire and drink what I'm feeding them.
 
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TonyPizzle187

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ok my light is turning on soon...Ill get pics.... Im gonna go pick up some 5 gal squares tomorrow. Do you think the pots will make a significant difference, I was also considering switching to ebb and flow instead of getting bigger containers.
 
Cali chronic

Cali chronic

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Try doing the same strain instead of different indicas and sativas---You will get an even canopy #1 you can try different nutes if you are seeing results you want. But by having the same strain or clones you can see which she responds to better---nutes/ ph etc...
3gal pot and 5 gal pot are supposed to yeild the same according to the Bible--but I think the bigger the root the bigger the canopy the bigger the flowers. I use 5 gal nursery pots and average about a 1/4 lb a plant but do not veg them taller the 20 inches. I do have some stuff 5 foot and expect 2lbs from a 5 gal pot dried cured and trimmed dispensery style.
But inside you need no bigger then 3 gal for dirt conserrvation space and nutes and water---no need-- your inside should not get that tall as the light wont get down far enough to finish the bottom and you end up with half baked little peanut size crap that is good for cooking I guess.
Trim the at the bottom for clones and top them for about four spears and no bigger then 20 inches and you will have fat tight ones.
 
Klo$etBreeder

Klo$etBreeder

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a few things you can do to up your yeild is grow bushes, look into SCroG growing,...20 grams from a 3.5ft tall plant is pretty low...I get 1-2oz off of a plant with a 4ft 6 tube T8, which the factory claims its just shy of a 400w MH which i dont belive, but point being it's far less light than your 1000w HPS and I yeild quite a bit more.. If you dont have a problem with space and your growing in strait soil I would up the size of your pots, A MAIN factor many over look is the pure fact that your plants are only as healthy and large as your root sytems, your plants may be either root bound or just the small size of your root ball could be holding you back. Also you can top your plant at the 3rd-4th node and let the branches grow. Once the branches are about 6-8 inches long you can bend the tips over until they are facing the ground and leave them like this for about a week this will forc the newest shots on the braches to force new braches without topping the plant thus being a much quicker rebound and less down time...Once you notice the nodes on the branches shooting out and theyre about an inch you can let the tips up they'll go back to normal in a few days..Now that the new shoots are about the same height as the main tips they all become main colas using this and depending on strain your plant will create a bush with an even canopy and many bud sites.

You can also get some nutrients that are strickly for roots...advanced nutes makes voodoo juice, piranha, tarantula, and carboload (too feed the microbes) which would do good with fox farm nute which are mainly organic.. all of those are benificial fungi and microbes to stimulate root growth and can be bought in smaller portions due to them being a little expensive...but you would do fine with just voodoo juice..

One of the best things you can do is make your root systems bigger, this will make your plants grow faster and yeild bigger, thus the need for larger pots..other than that it boils down to the genetics of the plants your growing look for high indoor yeilders, pure power plant, northern lights, super silver haze, super lemon haze these plants have very high yeilds indoors and rediculous yeilds outdoors.. and giving your plants the best stress free enviroment you can

deff look into scrog I've seen a guy pull 1lb off of one LST'd plant with a 1000w light a rule of thumb is 1 gram per watt o you should be getting about 1000 grams advanced growers can get 2-3 grams a watt with the right plants

If you need any other info PM me I can help you out alot more and go into further detail if I had all the info on your grow,
 
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TonyPizzle187

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My canopy is defiantly out of control. Shortest plant is 3.5 ft tallest is over 6ft. Im going to grow only my fastest growing indica and bring the light down on it. It will be a while before the sativas come out because i have the crop running perpetually now, but Im gonna stop putting them in there for sure. Also gonna switch to the 5 gal pots. I gonna have to try some different nutes as well, I'm thinking AN.

Any suggestions on preferable pruning methods suchas lollipoping or laddering?

Pics coming soon.
 
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