UK Crop Circle Phenomenon (now showing alien language???(PIC))

[padster]

Ok, so this could open me up to a whole lot of stick but i find the subject very interesting.

Baked or not, as an open minded sceptic i struggle getting my head around these fascinating works of art. They are precise, geometrically stunning, and in most cases created in the few short hours of darkness over the British summertime.

One of the most recent ones appears to have symbols or writing within it. This is the first of its kind and could be very significant if they really aren't of human creation.


Crop Circle photo courtesy The Crop Circle Connector - http://www.cropcircleconnector.com

Is this all going to be part of the disclosure that we are now so long overdue?

Comments and opinions on this matter please...

 

[gogrow]

I dont believe in any type of intelligent alien life form, but at the same time, I am highly interested in the crop circles... I think that they are manmade, but that does nothing to explain their intricacies.... often damn beautiful too.

 

[edsthreads]

They are definately fascinating but they are man-made they use rope & planks of wood to flatten the corn, there was a documentary about it on BBC about 10-15 years ago:

[youtube]wW3LsGmt55M[/youtube]

 

[padster]

They are definately fascinating but they are man-made they use rope & planks of wood to flatten the corn, there was a documentary about it on BBC about 10-15 years ago:

[youtube]wW3LsGmt55M[/youtube]

Ahhh, the sweet wrap up story to finally put the story to bed. Sorry, i don't buy it for a second, not like the media did.

Sure some are very man made and obviously so. But it ain't these two old guys doing the formations of recent years(and i think one of these dudes has now passed on).

There are many other abnormalities at these sites that can't be attributed to the plank theory - http://www.bltresearch.com/plantab.php

Like i said, i consider myself sceptical yet open-minded, also rational and logical, but there does appear to be somewhat more to these circles than just some hoaxers out for a laugh...

 

[PussymOneyWeed]

If you think some people could do this with rope and plywood in the middle of the night and get those amazing and perfectly symmetric shapes, then clearly your mentally challenged.

 

[stoneruk]

If you think some people could do this with rope and plywood in the middle of the night and get those amazing and perfectly symmetric shapes, then clearly your mentally challenged.

LOL if you think they were done by aliens then clearly you're mentally challenged.

Teams of people, not just two, go out and make these intricate designs.

 

[padster]

If you think some people could do this with rope and plywood in the middle of the night and get those amazing and perfectly symmetric shapes, then clearly your mentally challenged.

That's a little more like it! +rep

Too many people become blinded by their own scepticism IMO

I would happily accept if it was all credibly debunked, life would go on happy and normal either way. But could the pure sceptics equally accept it if it was proven not to be of human origin...?

So far this seasons circles(especially june/july) have been amazing with 3D designs, technically stunning and on such a large scale. That's before the meaning of the designs is even touched on. If they were man made i cannot imagine anonymity winning over ego! With the amount of people needed to do such intricate designs someone would of talked by now...

 

[padster]

LOL if you think they were done by aliens then clearly you're mentally challenged.

Teams of people, not just two, go out and make these intricate designs.

Can't remember seeing the word aliens in POW's post dude. And any information you have on these teams of people would be much appreciated to substantiate your claims...

 

[gogrow]

That's a little more like it! +rep

Too many people become blinded by their own scepticism IMO

I would happily accept if it was all credibly debunked, life would go on happy and normal either way. But could the pure sceptics equally accept it if it was proven not to be of human origin...?

So far this seasons circles(especially june/july) have been amazing with 3D designs, technically stunning and on such a large scale. That's before the meaning of the designs is even touched on. If they were man made i cannot imagine anonymity winning over ego! With the amount of people needed to do such intricate designs someone would of talked by now...

which more so proves (to me at least) that they are of normal human origin.... if they were from some other source, they would be remarkable, intricate, and constant from the start; they would not evolve as a new art form does.... crop circles are, every year, increasingly more complex and intricate, which to me indicates a human backbone..... as for the anonymity, I'm sure that they are talking, but they are talking amongst their own circles just as us growers do

on the other side of the argument, I have seen some documentaries and claims that there are things at crop circles that cannot readily be explained by science, at least not with a human as the source for these phenomenon..... BUT we DO have PLENTY of people that have came forward over the years as crop circle makers, who contend that all of these phenomenon are man-made.

It's a large debate, taken on by few people; but until I see CLEAR evidence to prove otherwise, I will be under the presumption that all of these happenings can be attributed to bored people with a secretive hobby such as my own.

 

[stoneruk]

Can't remember seeing the word aliens in POW's post dude. And any information you have on these teams of people would be much appreciated to substantiate your claims...

You're right, so if he actually believed it wasn't humans (lol) what does he think it was...animals?

There have been plenty of documentaries on tv over the years with people coming forward and explaining how they do this, how many people it took to do it etc etc, and over the years people have learned new techniques, hence the designs becoming more imaginative....but i guess those documentaries or people coming forward in newspapers wouldn't be proof enough for conspiracy theorists

 

[gogrow]

You're right, so if he actually believed it wasn't humans (lol) what does he think it was...animals?

There have been plenty of documentaries on tv over the years with people coming forward and explaining how they do this, how many people it took to do it etc etc, and over the years people have learned new techniques, hence the designs becoming more imaginative....but i guess those documentaries or people coming forward in newspapers wouldn't be proof enough for conspiracy theorists

doesnt have to be "aliens".... there are theories of some of these being naturally occuring phenomenon caused by forces of nature, though I dont believe that either.....

and its never proof enough until EVERY case is explained

 

[Miss MeanWeed]

If you deconstruct the creation process of most of these patterns you can locate where they (plankers) start the first circle/shape from, usually just in from a field 'tram' line.

Other circles/shape parts of the design that are dependent on the primary circle/shape for positioning will determine the angle of the whole design. They must fall where they intersect a 'tram' line so as to enable a circle/shape to be made with no tell-tale tracks through the wheat.

For example picture a simple Earth and Moon silhouette. One large circle and one smaller. Now overlay the Earth and Moon shapes onto a white background with thin black lines running vertical it's length (think of prison bars).
The black line represents the tram lines, the white solids represent the wheat, and the Earth and Moon represent the crop circle design.

In order to avoid leaving trails through the wheat, the design is rotated over the still background until suitable access to the future shape is provided where no trails will be left, or where any trails will be 'planked' out. Most circles will intersect with the tram lines somewhere. In situations where the tram lines are too far apart for the design specs, either the design is enlarged to accommodate, a new more suitable field is chosen, or ladders on parallel tram lines with trestle planks between are used.

'Reverse-engineer' the design to locate the starting point, and that initial circle will nearly always intersect a tram line.

Larger non-symmetrical designs are made with standard grid reproductions.

 

[juleswinnfield]

[youtube]_2Oyd9STbsw[/youtube] ... ya me and a bunch of my buddies thought it would be funny to fuck up half this guys field and put a picture of a giant butterfly man in there.

 

[padster]

...and they've come to shaft us!

 

[tip top toker]

Haha, i remember doing a school play about crop circles. I see them as daft, the more we study and disprove them, the more advanced they become. How convenient. Furthermore, a lot of the time, when one of these arises, the farmer gets on television and states he woke up and arrrrrrr, there be crop circles, what's to say these things do get made overnight?

 

[edsthreads]

Ahhh, the sweet wrap up story to finally put the story to bed. Sorry, i don't buy it for a second, not like the media did.

Sure some are very man made and obviously so. But it ain't these two old guys doing the formations of recent years(and i think one of these dudes has now passed on).

There are many other abnormalities at these sites that can't be attributed to the plank theory - http://www.bltresearch.com/plantab.php

Like i said, i consider myself sceptical yet open-minded, also rational and logical, but there does appear to be somewhat more to these circles than just some hoaxers out for a laugh...

I am logical, open-minded & rational too, but, I only believe in facts.. There is no evidence of Aliens or any other spirtual or natural forces that have created these circles. Fact.

I also beleive the 'artists' that created the circles have moved from the rope & wood techniques that were used in the early crop circles, hence the more elaborate crop circles we see today. The crop circle artists have evolved their techniques like any artist would do over time to make their work look more 'alien' or geometrical than earlier attempts, so 'believers' like yourself buy more into it. Sorry but it's just a huge hoax.

 

[padster]

I am logical, open-minded & rational too, but, I only believe in facts.. There is no evidence of Aliens or any other spirtual or natural forces that have created these circles. Fact.

I also beleive the 'artists' that created the circles have moved from the rope & wood techniques that were used in the early crop circles, hence the more elaborate crop circles we see today. The crop circle artists have evolved their techniques like any artist would do over time to make their work look more 'alien' or geometrical than earlier attempts, so 'believers' like yourself buy more into it. Sorry but it's just a huge hoax.

At no stage in this thread have i classified myself as a 'believer' as you put it. Believer in what exactly?

Also, at no stage have i attributed these fascinating designs to alien or other forces. Yes, i refer to there being "somewhat more" to the formations but that is only based on certain proven anomalies found at some of the crop circle sites which have yet to be factually explained.

For example, but in brief:
There's the elongation, expansion and in some cases explosion at the node where the crop is bent. There seems to be an unusual reluctance for the crop not to return to an upright position after the circle is created(not an LST'ing method i wanna try!). It's also well documented that future growth on formation sites is stunted and sometimes even impossible.
Soil analysis from various formations have been proven to have high numbers of microscopic spherical iron particles within. These pure iron particles have also been proven to be magnetised, therefore could only have been created within a magnetic field. Other soil changes indicate that an intense heat has been applied to the flattened area due to an increased crystallization of clay minerals within the soil.

There are many more of these peculiar abnormalities going on at these sites, research and you will find many of these FACTS that you so require. Hence why it interests me greatly!

It's gotta work both ways my friend, i will easily and happily believe that it is a hoax when i see the all the relevant facts to back that particular theory up.

I veiw my open mindedness on this subject as the ability to throw my hands up and say i just don't know who they can be attributed to or exactly how they are created. That's why it makes for interesting debate, ergo a great bit of Toke'N'Talk material!

Peace

 

[gogrow]

At no stage in this thread have i classified myself as a 'believer' as you put it. Believer in what exactly?

Also, at no stage have i attributed these fascinating designs to alien or other forces. Yes, i refer to there being "somewhat more" to the formations but that is only based on certain proven anomalies found at some of the crop circle sites which have yet to be factually explained.

For example, but in brief:
There's the elongation, expansion and in some cases explosion at the node where the crop is bent. There seems to be an unusual reluctance for the crop not to return to an upright position after the circle is created(not an LST'ing method i wanna try!). It's also well documented that future growth on formation sites is stunted and sometimes even impossible.
Soil analysis from various formations have been proven to have high numbers of microscopic spherical iron particles within. These pure iron particles have also been proven to be magnetised, therefore could only have been created within a magnetic field. Other soil changes indicate that an intense heat has been applied to the flattened area due to an increased crystallization of clay minerals within the soil.

There are many more of these peculiar abnormalities going on at these sites, research and you will find many of these FACTS that you so require. Hence why it interests me greatly!

It's gotta work both ways my friend, i will easily and happily believe that it is a hoax when i see the all the relevant facts to back that particular theory up.

I veiw my open mindedness on this subject as the ability to throw my hands up and say i just don't know who they can be attributed to or exactly how they are created. That's why it makes for interesting debate, ergo a great bit of Toke'N'Talk material!

Peace

as with every fringe topic, there are at least three sides to every argument, and this is what makes these topics so damn interesting..... keep researching and you'll find people that have explained/duplicated the exploded nodes issue.... dunno bout the soil things as I dont follow it, but I'm sure that there are a few people with scientific, reproducible explanations to this as well.... but then there's the practicality that comes into play of "nobody would go this far out of their way to fool people", but I think that is flawed as can be seen by the special effect budgets of major hollywood films.

 

[padster]

as with every fringe topic, there are at least three sides to every argument, and this is what makes these topics so damn interesting..... keep researching and you'll find people that have explained/duplicated the exploded nodes issue.... dunno bout the soil things as I dont follow it, but I'm sure that there are a few people with scientific, reproducible explanations to this as well.... but then there's the practicality that comes into play of "nobody would go this far out of their way to fool people", but I think that is flawed as can be seen by the special effect budgets of major hollywood films.

This is what i'm saying. Having researched the man made making of crop circles i know that there's quite a bit to it. A lot of time planning it to start with, as a previous poster said it's teams of people not just a couple of blokes with a plank.

In a lot of cases the farmers are real pissed about it, it's wrecking their crops, taking food off their table. It's a crime! ...so a risky business to be getting into(bit like ours!) I use the word business as a turn of phrase, but there certainly ain't no business side to it, nothing to profit from by it. ...no big bag of bud at the end of the risky rainbow!
Why do we not hear of more people actually getting caught for it? Regular crime committed on a large scale outdoors and no one gets caught??

As this thread proves most people are pretty unimpressed by it and most of those who are impressed are a little bit whacko and fanciful! ...so why do so much to fuel such a minority?

I have also seen the anomalies duplicated in experiments, although most of these have only been done with the use of microwaves.

Sorry for capitals here but i wish to get this point across - IT PROBABLY IS ALL MAN'S WORK - we're pretty ingenious at times!

Maybe i'm just too baked ...but when i visualise them being done by man and then add in all the FACTors, i'm seeing a team of people all led by an eccentric mathematician/artist armed with night vision goggles, planks of wood and portable microwaves. Busting their balls by day designing and planning. Up all night implementing, creating and intricately weaving. All while dodgin the long arm of the law and ALL FOR SWEET FA. They happen on a near daily basis! Times this by the numbers of counties they are found in, then add up the countries and you start to see why i've got some serious issues with the subject in general.

 

[edsthreads]

Maybe i'm just too baked ...but when i visualise them being done by man and then add in all the FACTors, i'm seeing a team of people all led by an eccentric mathematician/artist armed with night vision goggles, planks of wood and portable microwaves. Busting their balls by day designing and planning. Up all night implementing, creating and intricately weaving. All while dodgin the long arm of the law and ALL FOR SWEET FA. They happen on a near daily basis! Times this by the numbers of counties they are found in, then add up the countries and you start to see why i've got some serious issues with the subject in general.

Why is Banksy the artist so elusive? it makes it a bigger thrill and adds another dimension seeing your work on the news & nobody knowing your identity.. think of the buzz that would give you seeing it on all the news networks the next morning. Some people graf on walls & a tiny minority do it using corn, I wouldn't say it was all for sweet fa, I guess you'd have to ask one of creators as to why they do it, I just see the corn as their medium.. & wouldn't it be great being a circle creator & reading all this debate about your work too? Not bashing you man btw, just giving you my humble opinion on a interesting topic