Why I'm voting NO on prop. 19

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SB Garlic

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veggiegardener said:
As long as there are middlemen, prices will be over $300 PLUS TAX. Friends in British Columbia went through the glut phase when Bushco locked up the Canadian border, stranding many tone of BC bud in Canada.

Prices dropped rapidly, but never below $2K Canadian, from the producer.

Indoor growers would be working very cheap, below that.

Say the same applies here.

Standard 100% markup makes it $4k a pound. Add another 20%(a guess) for taxes = $4800/lb.

$300/oz.

It isn't going to get cheaper.

I tried growing tobacco, once, just to see what was involved. I gave up about half way through. I don't think California is good for tobacco. The plants never really took off.

Growing pot requires about half the work. Especially the curing process which is lengthy and touchy for the real killer weed.
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ppl like me wont smoke at that price we will either grow our own or pass.
 
Dan Kone

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nathenking said:
He says that shit because he has a motive... What? I dont know, but that is what it is... Probably more business for him defending "legal" people that get busted with a pound or something... just my opinion... who knows?
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Aww, come on man. This is the guy who's gotten Dennis Peron out of jail like 100000 times. He defended the first dispensary in California. He's done a lot for the cause. Give him some credit. Not everyone who supports prop 19 is doing so because they are evil and greedy.
 
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I support Prop 19 because I live in Va which still criminalizes over 1/2 oz as a Felony Intent to Distribute. I support Prop 19 not because it is perfect, but because it can become a HUGE stepping stone to additional states and even the federal government over the coming years to pass similar laws. Marijuana has been illegal in this country since the 1930's and Prop 19 has the best chance of making substantial headway towards full legalization throughout the US.

For those of you that choose to grow more than 25 square feet go for it. The state isn't going to suddenly start knocking on everyone's doors to arrest those with 26 square feet of grow space. As long as you aren't making any loud noise by selling in large quantities then no one will know. No harm and no foul. The proposition is more of a mindset changer for much of the country than just a law as it is in Cali.

I'm over in Va where weed is very expensive and can be hard to find depending on who you associate with. I work in Criminal Defense and see a lot of drug dealers but cannot exactly ask my clients to hook me up. I'm now out and my supplier got raided a few days ago so I have been looking everywhere with no success.

I have a client who got caught growing 17 plants inside for personal use. He's looking at going to prison for years. California started everything with medical marijuana in 1996. 14 years later, California has another chance to help the country move forward to a more pot friendly legal environment.
 
veggiegardener

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ssmith270 said:
I support Prop 19 because I live in Va which still criminalizes over 1/2 oz as a Felony Intent to Distribute. I support Prop 19 not because it is perfect, but because it can become a HUGE stepping stone to additional states and even the federal government over the coming years to pass similar laws. Marijuana has been illegal in this country since the 1930's and Prop 19 has the best chance of making substantial headway towards full legalization throughout the US.

For those of you that choose to grow more than 25 square feet go for it. The state isn't going to suddenly start knocking on everyone's doors to arrest those with 26 square feet of grow space. As long as you aren't making any loud noise by selling in large quantities then no one will know. No harm and no foul. The proposition is more of a mindset changer for much of the country than just a law as it is in Cali.

I'm over in Va where weed is very expensive and can be hard to find depending on who you associate with. I work in Criminal Defense and see a lot of drug dealers but cannot exactly ask my clients to hook me up. I'm now out and my supplier got raided a few days ago so I have been looking everywhere with no success.

I have a client who got caught growing 17 plants inside for personal use. He's looking at going to prison for years. California started everything with medical marijuana in 1996. 14 years later, California has another chance to help the country move forward to a more pot friendly legal environment.
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I've been legally growing for over a decade. The policew have seen my garden.

Hell, the city published a picture of one of my greenhouses in the quarterly newsletter on the front page.

You think they won't drop by my house, next Spring, if this passes?

If they do limit my grow, I'll be suing to overturn Prop. 19.

It's best to pass good laws, because bad laws will be overturned.

And 19 is bad.
 
Stalwart

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Just like anything! If you let some asshole/conservative into the conversation it will have a slight deviation that ruins it! It's like you have to include it to get it passed before it gets to you!
But remember it's most important to get the product taxed to support our government whose hated us for so long, lol
 
veggiegardener

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If 19 were to pass, I think it would drive many people back underground, because access to "legal" buds may be very difficult in jurisdictions that choose to make production ridiculously difficult and expensive.

Guv'mint may find itself collecting less revenue than they are now.

Black markets, once established, tend to grow into any area where there's a buck to be saved, or made.

What other products are inflicted with "sin taxes"?

Cigarettes? Alcohol?

It might be worth educating yourselves about how black market economies work.(Think Russia after the fall of socialism.)

Corruption.

Crooked cops, crooked judges, and crooked politicians, attempting to control a disgusted population that avoids as many taxes as possible.

Most folks have a hard time seeing possible future consequences of seemingly innocuous laws.

Others just don't seem to care what happens next week.

The door is wide open for this seemingly positive step to be twisted and corrupted by the devious few.

They've bought the Oakland city government, with promises of huge permit fees and taxes. Other cities will try to cash in, like Rancho Cordova. $600/sq.ft. won't make them a dime, while they'll be fighting lawsuits from every medicinal grower within their city limits. Everyone else will just ignore the ordinance.

If 19 passes, things will get very entertaining, if not comfortable.
 
Sure Shot

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Corruption is rampant everywhere, in seemingly every market.
That's why we have massive regulating entities.
It's human nature.
 
colonuggs

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Last year... Obama’s justice department said they’d look the other way if marijuana use was allowed under state laws, and they would not enforce federal prohibitions.

That policy was made with the understanding that the only legal use of marijuana was for medical purposes.

If people are growing, selling and smoking pot just to get stoned ....the Feds will probably get over their case of couch lock and start enforcing their laws....that will definatley effect medical patients

Another thought...... If California unilaterally legalizes marijuana use and cultivation, would that reduce the influence of illegal drug cartels -- as Prop. 19 supporters suppose -- or would it create a profitable and protected market for them in California?

Unless the Feds change the laws on marijuana Federally....the battle will be on if they make it legal for everyone in Cali.....I will roll a fatty and bring the popcorn for the show
 
nathenking

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colonuggs said:
Last year... Obama’s justice department said they’d look the other way if marijuana use was allowed under state laws, and they would not enforce federal prohibitions.

That policy was made with the understanding that the only legal use of marijuana was for medical purposes.

If people are growing, selling and smoking pot just to get stoned ....the Feds will probably get over their case of couch lock and start enforcing their laws....that will definatley effect medical patients

Another thought...... If California unilaterally legalizes marijuana use and cultivation, would that reduce the influence of illegal drug cartels -- as Prop. 19 supporters suppose -- or would it create a profitable and protected market for them in California?

Unless the Feds change the laws on marijuana Federally....the battle will be on if they make it legal for everyone in Cali.....I will roll a fatty and bring the popcorn for the show
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Exacty right... The feds are not gonna sit by idle... Obama also will not support it because he has another election to win in 2 years... California will vote Democrate no matter if he does support it or not... my 2cents... its not gonna be as easy as just voting on nov 2 and shit will be a piece of cake... there is still at least another decade of fighting left to do folks... get your combat boots ready...
 
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