TESLA LAMP 1.0 Real or Fake

The Ruined

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Educate yourself before you doubt.

High-efficiency plasma lighting is the class of plasma lamps that have system efficiencies of 90 lumens per watt or more. Lamps in this class are potentially the most energy-efficient light source for outdoor, commercial and industrial lighting. This is due not only to their high system efficiency but also to the small light source they present enabling very high luminaire efficiency.

Luminaire Efficacy Rating (LER) is the single figure of merit the National Electrical Manufacturers Association has defined to help address problems with lighting manufacturers' efficiency claims [5] and is designed to allow robust comparison between lighting types. It is given by the product of luminaire efficiency (EFF) times total rated lamp output in lumens (TLL) times ballast factor (BF), divided by the input power in watts (IP):

LER = EFF × TLL × BF / IP
The "system efficiency" for a High Efficiency Plasma lamp is given by the last three variables, that is, it excludes the luminaire efficiency. Though plasma lamps do not have a ballast, they have an RF power supply that fulfills the equivalent function. In electrodeless lamps, the inclusion of the electrical losses, or "ballast factor", in lumens per watt claimed can be particularly significant as conversion of electrical power to radio frequency (RF) power can be a highly inefficient process.

Many modern plasma lamps, such as those manufactured by Ceravision and Luxim, have very small light sources—far smaller than HID bulbs or fluorescent tubes—leading to much higher luminaire efficiencies also. High intensity discharge lamps have typical luminaire efficiencies of 55%, and fluorescent lamps of 70%. Plasma lamps typically have luminaire efficiencies exceeding 90%.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_lamp

Also included in the list of the Nikola Tesla's many inventions may be found a variety of novel electric lamps, all of which were designed to operate in conjunction with specially designed high frequency power supply units. Some of these lamps were the forerunners of our present day fluorescent tubes.* In fact, not long ago a small Californian company announced the development of a high frequency electronically powered fluorescent bulb, dubbed the E-Lamp, which bears a striking resemblance to a bulb that Tesla designed and built nearly one hundred years ago.* The principal upon which they both work is identical.* Another type of lamp was essentially the same as the slender neon filled tubes that are now commonly bent into the shapes of letters and used in storefront advertising.* A third type of electric lamp that Tesla designed, known as the incandescent carbon button lamp, was capable of producing light at high levels of efficiency.* A variation on the design of this lamp is embodied in the popular Plasma Globe novelty item.* Another lamp that he patented in 1891 under the name "Electric Incandescent Lamp" has recently been adopted by the United States Armed Forces as part of a portable high intensity lighting system.* The lamp itself consists of a spark gap enclosed within a small gas filled glass bulb.

Source: http://www.teslascience.org/pages/tesla.htm#lamp
 

jawbrodt

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They might not be a bad idea, as long as you plan on using one per plant. That would still be pretty efficient, if you think about it, being that you'd only be using 400 watts, to cover 8 decent sized plants(bigger than SOG plants). I'd like to see some results, myself. They also might be a good idea for use on mother plants, with each one having it's one small, single light. That, is if they live up to their claims, of course.
 

The Ruined

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Here is a demo. And please explain why you would need 4 of them to flower one plant?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W_jvPjHWrU

I've not seen anyone actually using these light comparing them to HIDs in grows. I fully plan on testing the side by side with clones in the next year or so.

I'm also unable to find info on par ratings but I doubt it will be long until this information is out and who sells the most quality light.
 

The Ruined

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Try growing with them then ask me.
How about you help to educate people so they don't have to make mistakes if you can easily point them out? Im not being hostil but you seem to bring little to the table on this discussion and when I ask for your logic behind your opinion you avoid giving it to me. Why so rude?
 

420God

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How about you help to educate people so they don't have to make mistakes if you can easily point them out? Im not being hostil but you seem to bring little to the table on this discussion and when I ask for your logic behind your opinion you avoid giving it to me. Why so rude?
If it's a matter of LED or Plasma, vs. HID, it loses and is more cost effective to buy the right lighting right away. Sure those lights will be the future of lighting but not for now and I really don't like getting into the spectrum arguments because people seem to always believe what they read and that isn't the case. Same argument about the lumens, yeah it's a measure of what we can see, it also matters to the plant because invisible light doesn't do shit or we would all be growing with blacklights.
 

The Ruined

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If it's a matter of LED or Plasma, vs. HID, it loses and is more cost effective to buy the right lighting right away. Sure those lights will be the future of lighting but not for now and I really don't like getting into the spectrum arguments because people seem to always believe what they read and that isn't the case. Same argument about the lumens, yeah it's a measure of what we can see, it also matters to the plant because invisible light doesn't do shit or we would all be growing with blacklights.
Well you still failed to explain to me why it would take 4 to flower one plant. Seems to be the way on these forums if something is new and scary let's make sure everyone else is scared of it! Anyway your more than welcome to PM and have an intelligent discussion where I will allow you to fully explain why you have made your claim and I'll review all the evidence and decide for my self. If you lack actual evidence and this is your opinion then I fully understand.
 

420God

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Well you still failed to explain to me why it would take 4 to flower one plant. Seems to be the way on these forums if something is new and scary let's make sure everyone else is scared of it! Anyway your more than welcome to PM and have an intelligent discussion where I will allow you to fully explain why you have made your claim and I'll review all the evidence and decide for my self. If you lack actual evidence and this is your opinion then I fully understand.
The Tesla has 2250 lumens available to the plant, at which distance they're not saying. Cannabis needs roughly 3000 lumens per sq ft to flower. The measure of light is usually taken at 1 ft away from the light so thats telling me that you would need 4 of those at 1 ft away to produce a sad 9000 lumens and that's if they were close together, spaced apart it takes away light. That's not even taking away for penetration and shading. My 400w puts out 45,000+ lumens at 1 ft, see the difference.
 

420God

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Well you still failed to explain to me why it would take 4 to flower one plant. Seems to be the way on these forums if something is new and scary let's make sure everyone else is scared of it! Anyway your more than welcome to PM and have an intelligent discussion where I will allow you to fully explain why you have made your claim and I'll review all the evidence and decide for my self. If you lack actual evidence and this is your opinion then I fully understand.
And sorry if I came of rude but when you see 100's of these posts and have to justify every time, it gets old.
 

The Ruined

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I understand exactly what your saying. Maybe I'm not understanding the info sheet ive linked. I believe it says .2-2sqm 2250 lumens
That would mean 2 would generate 4500 lumens for up to 2 meters. I see the flaw in this particular light on eBay but the infor I posted previously was on tesla's plasma lighting which this is just a cheap knock off of. You are right this light listed on eBay is not worth it.

Although I do believe that onces tesla's actual plasma lights hit the grow market it could have a decent impact. More so than CFL and LED.

http://u11td96.webpool001.dandomain.dk/pics/tessie.jpg
 

McFonz

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I want to a see a grow using those lights.
I can't stand those fuck heads saying it doesn't work without even seeing one in real life.
 

redivider

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ladies ladies... come on....

the tesla bulb only uses 50 watts. to get 400 watts you'd use 8.

2250 x 8 = 18000 lumens. less than the lumens put out by a 400 watt hps.

the issue at hand is how many of those lumens are useful for the plant.

HPS lights have a good grow rep in weed circles, but they have a horrible rep in 'sustainable' horticulture circles because a lot of the light the bulb produces isn't useful for plants. this will be cause for countless argument, but that's the truth.

the thing is that it's the best option available at the moment. the community has also turned lighting into a cult thing, where you best not tell an HPS grower that he's being wasteful unless your ready to get cussed out.

so yeah, the HPS faithful will relentlessly argue for their lighting method, sometimes i find it pathetic, like if introducing or talking about an alledged more efficient lighting method was an attack on their masculinity.

:-o:-o
 
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