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beaujanglez
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aah i see cool. Thanks again man
gotta read through their charts and graphs and make my final decision!
thanks,
beau
beaujanglez
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I have a friend who has the Spectra LED 120 and he says it works great.
But, for the cost, it doesnt surpass the other LED lights in its class.
It is very over priced.
Here are some links to equally as good lights for WAY less:
http://www.kessil.com/
http://hydroponicshut.com/pro-grow-180-watt-led-grow-light.html
Also, check out Greners.com for a but load of LEDs!
Best of luck,
Beau
luckyskindaguy
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I think Irishboy did a grow with that brand and it did very well. I think it was a 600w LED unit
Oh yeah I've read all the journals between him and his associates growing with those lights and it is pretty convincing. I would have posted links but I thought that was against the rules? In the 300w LED vs the 400w MH*(for veg) and HPS (for flower) I can't even tell the difference between the 2 crops in late flowering!
I think I am definitely going to go for one of their 300w units so I don't have to deal with all the heat and different devices I have to run to deal with the HPS. A lot less noise and heat, more efficient operations, and hopefully more light for the plants (since 95% of the light is usually for the plants when HID lights are supposedly 20% or less). By that math the LED may be 25% better watt for watt than the HID
chazbolin
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Hey Viagro
To answer your question; no ultimately the warranty was not honored. and it was a runaround.
first I was told it had to go back to the factory in China then they asked me where I had been using it and they told me it was because in base up environments and a green house I had undoubtedly exceeded the 120F the base of the lamp, where all the electronics are located. $165.00 from a company called light bulbs plus in LA. Interesting that they don't sell the self ballasted induction lamps anymore. I must not have been the only one. FYI if they start dimming they're going downnnnn
On the other hand with the external driver inductions you can actually touch the lamp and the driver with the electronics in it in are in a separate enclosure so not only have I not had any heat problems with the higher 400 watt indagro fixtures they cover larger areas and have been better for flowering and bud anyway.
To answer your question; no ultimately the warranty was not honored. and it was a runaround.
first I was told it had to go back to the factory in China then they asked me where I had been using it and they told me it was because in base up environments and a green house I had undoubtedly exceeded the 120F the base of the lamp, where all the electronics are located. $165.00 from a company called light bulbs plus in LA. Interesting that they don't sell the self ballasted induction lamps anymore. I must not have been the only one. FYI if they start dimming they're going downnnnn
On the other hand with the external driver inductions you can actually touch the lamp and the driver with the electronics in it in are in a separate enclosure so not only have I not had any heat problems with the higher 400 watt indagro fixtures they cover larger areas and have been better for flowering and bud anyway.
Viagro
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Chaz- How long did you run it before it failed.
I bought my 50w light through hydroponicshut.com, so I'll be seeking satisfaction through them, if it fails. Their cust.service seems solid.
The two 23w I bought through inductionlamps.com, and that might be a different story, but I will use your cautionary tale as a guide, and hope they last. Amazing light output, that's for sure.
So far so good with my bigger light. Plants love it, and it seems to be hanging in there. Thanks.
I bought my 50w light through hydroponicshut.com, so I'll be seeking satisfaction through them, if it fails. Their cust.service seems solid.
The two 23w I bought through inductionlamps.com, and that might be a different story, but I will use your cautionary tale as a guide, and hope they last. Amazing light output, that's for sure.
So far so good with my bigger light. Plants love it, and it seems to be hanging in there. Thanks.
Viagro
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How much were those lights?
Too much
Check the website....
http://www.prosourceworldwide.com/Illuminator-180W-UFO-LED-Grow-Lights-p/illuminator jumbo ufo 180w.htm
Check the website....http://www.prosourceworldwide.com/Illuminator-180W-UFO-LED-Grow-Lights-p/illuminator jumbo ufo 180w.htm
beaujanglez
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i cant seem to find the magenta's dimensions anywhere
Viagro
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Watch the videos at Greners.com.
solarguy
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the heat sink is on the back, only that gets hot.....unless your doing some crazy shit your plants will never touch the back of the lights....but to answer your question yeah its very hot....even the models without and extruded heat sink, ppf400 and ppf800, are hot as hell on the back but in every case it is only hot if you are directly touching it! Even if you are 1/2 inch from it you can barley feel the heat.*WAVES WHITE FLAG.
I have a question about the Haight Solid State 300W model, and I'm really not trying to be a dick I really need to know if the Plants can touch these LED panels? For Supplemental lighting or lower canopy illumination, can the plant matter touch these panels without burn like the other LED panels out there? Not just on the underside where the LED's are, I'm wodering if the pant matter can touch the heat sink? The pictures of the model on the site say that it gets HOT, I need to know if this means you can't get touch them or get them a little most when you spray to follier feed. Also the material used for thermal conductivity seems to look like Aluminum, is this true?
the lens i call it is not hot and yes your plants could touch that physically but thats just dumb IMO, 2-3 inches is the closest i put my HSS lights. Since they use wider angle bulbs you can still achieve a good footprint and send even light across the plant at 2-3 inches whereas a lot of LEDs need to be a lot higher...
solarguy
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DAMN 600 bucks each for 180 watts? whats the true footprint of that light?Too much
http://www.prosourceworldwide.com/Illuminator-180W-UFO-LED-Grow-Lights-p/illuminator jumbo ufo 180w.htm
i have found that LEDs footprint are all bullshit unless the light is way higher than you want to put it...IMO the lights footprint has a lot to do with the actual size of the light....i would rather have a big LED panel than a small ufo that needs to be raised hella high to spread the light....
Thats why i like the HSS lights you have high wattage 6w bulbs spaced out on a decent size panel with wide enough lenses achieving a very decent footprint. Still tho it is not what they advertise. For example in the grow in my signature i have 2 of the 180 watt fixtures. HSS says that each 180watt will cover 4x4, and no way does it! i have 2 of them in a 4x4 tent and it works perfect!
Viagro
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Mine is aout half brightness for a minute or two before it fully brightens. Is that normal?
chazbolin
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yes it is. They have some mercury in the center that has to be fully dissipated in the globe.
On another note; how much do you rely on Kelvin when selecting a grow lamp? I was just checking out this chart that got me wondering about Kelvin ratings on grow lamps http://www.inda-gro.com/gallery/album/9#4
as it seems that the plants PAR needs fall largely in areas outside our visible light. Is Kelvin just another way to sell twice as many lamps I wonder? The BI-SPECTRUM lamps hit UV and IR which we're not seeing anyway.
On another note; how much do you rely on Kelvin when selecting a grow lamp? I was just checking out this chart that got me wondering about Kelvin ratings on grow lamps http://www.inda-gro.com/gallery/album/9#4
as it seems that the plants PAR needs fall largely in areas outside our visible light. Is Kelvin just another way to sell twice as many lamps I wonder? The BI-SPECTRUM lamps hit UV and IR which we're not seeing anyway.
Devildog93
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From what I have seen and read, these seem to suit the "ninja style" grows.
I could do fantastic things with the room I have downstairs in this new rental I am in..... 22 long x 12 wide x 8 high but the cost to cover that area with these LED's would probably be astronomical. If I had that much money, I wouldn't need to grow my own dope.
Such a shame.
I want to be like Russel Simmons, and put on "The Show"
Is the lifecycle of these long enough that you could feasibly "flip this house" with ninja grows until you work your way up to a bigger setup. Or are you replacing these too often.
I would HAVE to go with 600 w panels.....it's just the way I work.
If I wanted to purchase all at once, at $1500+ a pop, I'm thinking I would need about $20,000 just to cover lights in a 22 x 12 room. I used to have 8 x 1000W HPS dual band that worked friggin awesome in a similar sized room.
Is this a fair assessment, or am I just WAY too stoned right now and way off base?
Also, the talk about reduced heat....is it significant enough of a reduction so as to be unseen by the "eye in the sky".
The added quiet of no ballasts and reduced exhaust fan noise seems very appealing as well. Do LED panels make any kind of noise or are they silent.
Super interesting aspect of the industry though. I would love for these to come down more in price. This is going to change alot of shit.
I could do fantastic things with the room I have downstairs in this new rental I am in..... 22 long x 12 wide x 8 high but the cost to cover that area with these LED's would probably be astronomical. If I had that much money, I wouldn't need to grow my own dope.
Such a shame.
I want to be like Russel Simmons, and put on "The Show"
Is the lifecycle of these long enough that you could feasibly "flip this house" with ninja grows until you work your way up to a bigger setup. Or are you replacing these too often.
I would HAVE to go with 600 w panels.....it's just the way I work.
If I wanted to purchase all at once, at $1500+ a pop, I'm thinking I would need about $20,000 just to cover lights in a 22 x 12 room. I used to have 8 x 1000W HPS dual band that worked friggin awesome in a similar sized room.
Is this a fair assessment, or am I just WAY too stoned right now and way off base?
Also, the talk about reduced heat....is it significant enough of a reduction so as to be unseen by the "eye in the sky".
The added quiet of no ballasts and reduced exhaust fan noise seems very appealing as well. Do LED panels make any kind of noise or are they silent.
Super interesting aspect of the industry though. I would love for these to come down more in price. This is going to change alot of shit.
ClosetSafe
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I figure each fixture is supposed to be guaranteed for 50,000 hours. 1 month of 18/6 is 540hours, 2 months of 12/12 is 720. So that is roughly 1260 hours per grow for each fixture. Or like 39 uses.
Tell me what you think about making one of them yourself. https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/392619-next-generation-led-hobbyist.html
Viagro
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The thing I worry about is power surges, given I'm using an overhead fixture with no surge protector.
Kelvin is an absolute measurement of thermodynmics. Light is radiant energy, and the spectrum of visible light is a range of wavelengths of colors measured in k temps.
Your question might be best answered in terms of luminous efficacy. This page goes into it.
Very, very little mercury. Infinitesimal compared to cfls.
Kelvin is an absolute measurement of thermodynmics. Light is radiant energy, and the spectrum of visible light is a range of wavelengths of colors measured in k temps.
Your question might be best answered in terms of luminous efficacy. This page goes into it.