24 hour Dark Period before Harvest and Let Completely Dry

element2k10

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has anyone ever heard of this i have been reading up about it online and i wanna know what u guys think about this is it beneficial in any way to let your plants completely dry out by skipping the last cycle and letting them sit in 24 hours of darkness before you harvest them??? speeding up the process of drying and reducing mold while improving potency with the darkness???? any comments?
 

wannaquickee

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the dark period is suppose to increase trich production. not watering and letting the pot dry out for the last few days speeds up the drying...
humidity rises during the dark period. doubt it does anything for mold.
 

wannaquickee

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i dunno man ive never done it. i think something came out in hightimes about it er something awhile ago. there is also something out about watering with cold ass water before harvest too. maybe you could try it and let us know for sure.

i did read a post on here awhile back that someone tried it and never noticed a difference
 

malicifice

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I've heard this is bs. 24 hours of dark is supposed to take some chemical out, making it taste better it something. I think this is just a rumor. Can't be positive I've never done it. I yell at mine though, seems to help lol.
 

Brick Top

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"The Stichting Institute of Medical marijuana (SIMM), the first company to sell marijuana through the pharmacies of Holland, has been investigating the medical possibilities of cannabis, together with TNO laboratories and the University of Leiden.

One of their discoveries has been that to keep the ripe plants in the dark before harvesting could increase their potency.
SIMM’s growers separated a crop of mature plants, harvested half of them and kept the other half in absolute darkness for 72 hours before cutting and drying. Analysis of the resulting dried buds showed that some varieties had seen an increase of THC of up to 30%, while CBD and CBN remained the same."
 

wannaquickee

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"The Stichting Institute of Medical marijuana (SIMM), the first company to sell marijuana through the pharmacies of Holland, has been investigating the medical possibilities of cannabis, together with TNO laboratories and the University of Leiden.

One of their discoveries has been that to keep the ripe plants in the dark before harvesting could increase their potency.
SIMem M’s growers separated a crop of mature plants, harvested half of them and kept the other half in absolute darkness for 72 hours before cutting and drying. Analysis of the resulting dried buds showed that some varieties had seen an increase of THC of up to 30%, while CBD and CBN remained the same."

this is saying to give them darkness the day you are suppose to harvest? so give them 3 more days of darkness correct?
 

Brick Top

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this is saying to give them darkness the day you are suppose to harvest? so give them 3 more days of darkness correct?

That is correct. As long as you understand trichomes and trichome colors, and I mean the true facts about them and not the myths passed around sites like this, it will work very well for SOME strains. As it said SOME strains had up to a 30% increase in THC without increased levels of CBD or CBN. If you harvest late you will end up with at least some amount of increased level of CBN.
 

Brick Top

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lol...no yelling on the bus..maybe you should try some classical music

If you meant the bold type ... the place I C&P it from has it in bold and for some reason this system, or what I C&P'd would not let me get rid of the bold. I could get rid of the italics and underline, but the bold would not go away. Sorry if it bugged you.
 

wannaquickee

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If you meant the bold type ... the place I C&P it from has it in bold and for some reason this system, or what I C&P'd would not let me get rid of the bold. I could get rid of the italics and underline, but the bold would not go away. Sorry if it bugged you.
lol no i think i accidentally typed that in the wrong thread. there was a thread on here earlier that had to do with music
 
what i have heard is that the plant produces trichs as a form of "sunblock" for the flower, and when the lights are on, or the sun is up, the trichs degrade, so when you have it sit in darkness there is uninterrupted trich production

makes sense to me
 

Brick Top

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what i have heard is that the plant produces trichs as a form of "sunblock" for the flower, and when the lights are on, or the sun is up, the trichs degrade, so when you have it sit in darkness there is uninterrupted trich production

makes sense to me
That is pretty much how it works. Most THC is produced during hours of darkness to begin with . when you remove the degradation due to light there is only a steady increase without the up and down day-loss, night-gain normal process.

But .. as the study found it will not work as well with all strains, but it will work at least a little. It is like how way before there was scientific proof to support it outdoor growers learned to harvest just before first light, or as soon after the sun came up as possible. It gave them higher potency, they did not lose any to the sun that day. Later when people began to grow indoors, those who knew about sunlight and THC, would manually switch off their lights after their final light cycle so their lights would not come on again before they had a chance to harvest, again to get maximum potency. Later it was found that extended periods of darkness increased THC levels more and 72 hours is about as long as a plant can run on stored energy so going beyond that will not gain you anything and doing it for a shorter period of time will not gain you as much as you can possibly get.
 

Nullis

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If trichomes exist on the cannabis plant and produce cannabinoids at least in part to protect it from the sun's harmful rays (which may very well be considering the UV absorption characteristics of THC), then what is the logic in producing more THC in response to an extended (unnatural) dark period; where so far as the plant is concerned there is perhaps no longer a sun it needs protection from?

Not saying it's total bullshit or an impossibility, but the notion does seemingly contradict my understanding of the biosynthetic pathway(s) that results in THC acids. The pathway or pathways are enzyme-mediated, and begin with the fusion of a terpene (namely geraniol or geranyl pyrophosphate) with another aromatic compound or substituted resorcinol (namely olivetolic acid, containing a phenol ring) to form cannabigerolic acid (CBG). There are several possibilities from there; CBG may end up becoming hydroxy-CBG acid or the monomethyl ester (CBGM acid). The next products we have are cannabichromenic acid (CBC) or cannabidiolic acid (CBD). CBC may turn into cannabicyclol (CCY) while the CBD acids are converted into THC acids. After THC acids are formed, they are progressively degraded via heat and light into cannabinolic acid (CBN). All of these reactions are happening simultaneously; CBD acids turn into THC acids while THC acids degrade into CBN acids. All of the aforementioned reactions- with the exception of the degradation of THC acids into CBN acids, appear to be carried out metabolically by the plant and mediated by various enzymes.

All that confuses me is the part where the CBD acids are converted into THC acids. Various explanations of the biosynthetic pathway implicate the role of UV-B radiation at least partially in this conversion (as well as others). Samples of CBD have been exposed to UV-B light and resulted in partial conversion to THC. As well, strains grown in certain locations such as at high altitudes, or which have been exposed to increased UV-B have been shown to contain more THC.

The fact that this extended dark period before harvest theory supposedly only works favorably with some strains only adds to the confusion. This could very well be true though, and there could be (must be) a solid reason why.
 

Brick Top

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If trichomes exist on the cannabis plant and produce cannabinoids at least in part to protect it from the sun's harmful rays (which may very well be considering the UV absorption characteristics of THC), then what is the logic in producing more THC in response to an extended (unnatural) dark period; where so far as the plant is concerned there is perhaps no longer a sun it needs protection from?

During hours of daylight plants perform many tasks. Even under full direct sunlight their amount of energy to use is limited by how much sunlight they can take in so plants manage their energy, they allocate certain amounts to certain tasks in relation to priorities of hours of light and hours of darkness. That means some functions receive more energy to use than others.

Certain light rays will damage the delicate inner glands of the cannabinoid producing trichome heads. THC works somewhat like sunscreen and in the process some is lost during each period of light. For a plant to be able to produce enough THC to not only equal what is lost during the hours of light, but to also increase it during hours of light, some other function would have to be allocated less energy.

During hours of darkness plants work on stored energy, like a battery backup, and their energy allocation priorities change resulting in cannabinoid production receiving more energy to use for production during hours of darkness than during hours of light.

During flower the creation and accumulation of cannabinoids could somewhat be described as a scale that would look something like the blade/teeth of a saw held at an angle. It increases and then decreases, it goes up and down constantly between hours of light and hours of darkness.

What is lost during hours of light is replenished plus a small additional amount. That is why there is a slow gradual overall increase in THC during flower. To make up an easy to understand number based example .. say at first light a glandular trichome head has 10 particles of THC in it. By the end of the day when it becomes dark, loss to exposure to light has reduced that to 7 particles of THC. Overnight the 3 lost particles are replenished along with say 4 additional particles raising the morning number to 14 particles. Then say another 3 are lost that day, but replaced that night along with another additional 4 so the next morning you are up to 15 particles ... etc., etc., etc.

When left in total darkness for 72 hours, roughly the maximum amount of time a plant has backup/stored energy to rely on, being in darkness the entire time it only performs the hours of darkness functions, it's energy allocation is only that of the normal hours of darkness functions.

Lacking the loss of THC to light you do not lose the 3 particles of THC you would lose if under light, but you keep adding the additional amount.

Each strain will add a different amount so that is why some strains might only see an increase of say 2% or 5% or 12% or it might be as high as the 30%, which was the high percentage found during the scientific testing that has taken place. There is no guarantee of what percentage of actual increase any particular strain will see, but there will be an increase.

As I mentioned in a previous message, many years ago outside growers came to realize that harvesting before the sun came up, or as soon after the sun came up resulted in increased potency over harvesting later in the day, or just before dark, or early into the hours of darkness.

It is the same principle just multiplied and taken to it's limits.

Each day there is a loss, a decrease, and each night there is replenishment plus a small increase. What do you think the results would be if you remove the loss or decrease and only allow the increase to continue for as long as plans are capable of performing that task before running out of energy to perform that task?

Rather than the loss/increase loss/increase like the teeth of a saw held at an angle you instead have a steady uphill ramp without any downward drops/losses/decreases along the way, you only have continual increasing until there is no more energy left to provide more of an increase ... and it was all done without taking any of the losses that would otherwise occur.

The part about it only working with certain strains came from the fact that not all strains will give an equal increase, but all will give some increase, exactly like harvesting just before first light will or as soon as possible after first light will rather than harvesting at noon or at dusk, after THC has been lost during the hours of light.

Look at it this way. Growers will spend money on all sorts of things. Some spend hundreds of dollars on genetics and some will spend many thousands of dollars, overall for their entire setup. They will pay for the best highest wattage grow lights from the highest quality manufactures, that also have the highest price tags, and sometimes they will purchase more than just one of them, and possibly they may pay for light movers and they will pay for the very best highest dollar 'designer soils' and they will purchase top quality high dollar fertilizers and supplements and they will pay for ventilation systems to maintain proper temperature ranges and they will pay carbon filters or other types of odor control and they will pay for reflective material to attempt to make sure no light, or as little light as possible, is lost or wasted and some will pay for hydro or aero systems and some will pay for CO2 systems and some will pay for additional UV-B lighting to increase resin production and if in areas of high humidity they will pay for a dehumidifier, and the cost of running it, to keep humidity low to increase resin production .. and they will pay for any number of other things all in a quest to provide the most optimal growing conditions and environment possible and to provide their plants with every possible product and element sold to attempt to tickle or squeeze out every last possible bit of potency they possibly can get from the genetics they grow.

But for some reason or reasons, that remain totally inexplicable to me, when scientific research has proven that increases in THC can be found through a 72-hour period of darkness, increases that could be as high as 30%, and doing so is TOTALLY FREE, most growers will not do it.

If tomorrow someone came out with a supplement that is 90% water with 7% rattlesnake piss and 3% zit-juice and price it at $29.99 per quart, if they marketed it well enough claiming it will cause trichome heads to swell like a pregnant woman, everyone here, well other than Uncle Ben, myself and a small handful more, would eagerly spend their money on it in a split second and regardless of how ineffective it would be some would swear on a stack of Bibles that it is the greatest creation since sliced bread and tell everyone else that they just HAVE to use it too because it is FANTASTIC stuff.

But the very same people would pass up doing something that is TOTALLY FREE to do and that has been scientifically proven to give anywhere from a small increase in THC up to as much as a 30% increase in THC.

If someone will spend as much money as they do, including the costs of running their lights and ventilation/odor control systems etc., all in an attempt to get every last bit of THC they can, even if in the end it is only an additional percent or so, why would they turn their noses up at and refuse to do something that is TOTALLY FREE to do even if it only gains them 2% or 4% more THC, let alone the possibility of it being 13% or 19% or 23% or maybe even up to 30% more?

They do not understand plants and how they function and in their minds they decide it does not make any sense so therefore it cannot make any difference, so to them it is a waste of time .... even though it has been scientifically proven to work they chose to ignore proof and instead rely on only what they think, which is based on a complete and total lack of understanding plant functions.

How rational or logical is that when you consider to what lengths people will go to and what they will eagerly spend just trying to get just 1% more THC or 3% more THC or some percentage more THC out of what they grow than if they did not spend the money?
 

Nullis

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Does any one read any body else's posts in entirety?

Not saying it's total bullshit or an impossibility, but the notion does seemingly contradict my understanding of the biosynthetic pathway(s) that results in THC acids. The pathway or pathways are enzyme-mediated, and begin with the fusion of a terpene (namely geraniol or geranyl pyrophosphate) with another aromatic compound or substituted resorcinol (namely olivetolic acid, containing a phenol ring) to form cannabigerolic acid (CBG). There are several possibilities from there; CBG may end up becoming hydroxy-CBG acid or the monomethyl ester (CBGM acid). The next products we have are cannabichromenic acid (CBC) or cannabidiolic acid (CBD). CBC may turn into cannabicyclol (CCY) while the CBD acids are converted into THC acids. After THC acids are formed, they are progressively degraded via heat and light into cannabinolic acid (CBN). All of these reactions are happening simultaneously; CBD acids turn into THC acids while THC acids degrade into CBN acids. All of the aforementioned reactions- with the exception of the degradation of THC acids into CBN acids, appear to be carried out metabolically by the plant and mediated by various enzymes.

All that confuses me is the part where the CBD acids are converted into THC acids. Various explanations of the biosynthetic pathway implicate the role of UV-B radiation at least partially in this conversion (as well as others). Samples of CBD have been exposed to UV-B light and resulted in partial conversion to THC. As well, strains grown in certain locations such as at high altitudes, or which have been exposed to increased UV-B have been shown to contain more THC.
Here specifically is one of the articles, which you've apparently posted here: https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/331525-adding-uv-light-during-lights.html#post4195965
That CC article totally implies that the sun's UV-B rays are directly responsible for cannabinoid production.

A much more thorough explanation of the suspected biosynthetic pathway is found in the book Marijuana Botany, excerpts of which can be found online also. It summarizes the work and presumptions of various cannabis researchers, and states UV-B radiation may be implicated in certain conversions.

I realize now that as of 2005 an enzyme, THCA synthase, has been isolated and shown to be responsible for forming THCA from CBGA (as opposed to CBDA). In other words, the CC article is utterly incorrect; and other researchers have either drawn incorrect conclusions or simply been unable to draw any concrete conclusions as to how THC acids are formed- until recently- correct?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1952348/
 

Brick Top

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Does any one read any body else's posts in entirety?
I apologize ... sometimes when I get going I get on a roll and at some point forget to look back and see if there was more to reply to and end up just sending.

This is part of something I read not all that long ago and while I cannot swear it I believe it was dated 2008 or 2009. It does not go into much detail but maybe enough to fill in a gap or two. Maybe.


The metabolic chain that leads to THC starts when geranyl pyrophosphate combines with olivetolic acid, in order to create cannabigerolic acid (CBGA). This carboxylic acid is the shared precursor of all the three major cannabinoids that can be found in the plant; THC, CBD and CBC.

The cannabigerolic acid then forms into the carboxylic acid precursor of each of the named compounds. Cannabichromenic acid (CBCA) turns into the nonpsychoactive compound CBC. Cannabidiolic acid (CBDA) turns into the therapeutic cannabinoid CBD and finally tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA) turns into the much sought after and highly psychoactive cannabinoid THC or tetrahydrocannabinol.
 
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