Anybody hear about the girl found dead, stuffed in a suitcase on a sidewalk in NYC?

[Sr. Verde]

yeah I kept thinking this... but I gotta atleast /try/ ya know... but meh, is what it is.

I feel ya

It doesn't hurt voicing your opinions, who knows mad people lurk and what not I'm sure someone took something from it.. I'm just trying to be that voice in your head that keeps you from /facedesk/ ing

 

[poplars]

I feel ya

It doesn't hurt voicing your opinions, who knows mad people lurk and what not I'm sure someone took something from it.. I'm just trying to be that voice in your head that keeps you from /facedesk/ ing

for sure I appreciate you saying something. m ost of the time I gotta be that voice for myself, a lot easier to hear it from someone else...

ima pass out now... you have a great night bro

 

[Sr. Verde]

for sure I appreciate you saying something. m ost of the time I gotta be that voice for myself, a lot easier to hear it from someone else...

ima pass out now... you have a great night bro

You too man.

You gotta stick with friends here on RIU for a truly pleasant experience.. and a voice of reason is what good friends are for

Peace, sleep well... Hopefully I'm getting high on some REAL quality shit tomorrow!

 

[guy incognito]

you missed my point of the duration of the suffering vs severity. I'm not gonna explain this anymore to you, you've gone from critical thinking to redundant ignorance of what I'm trying to convey, have a nice night.

I did not miss it. It becomes irrelevant if you consider the following to be true:

So while this person clearly has some kind of issues, I don't agree they are "suffering" in any comparable sense to the suffering they have inflicted.

It wouldn't matter how long this person could live if they aren't "suffering" as a consequence of their actions.

I just don't understand how you get from point A to point B to point C. This person does something you cannot comprehend, therefore they have "internal mental suffering", therefore cosmic justice has been served. I'm sorry but this just doesn't follow for me.

 

[ANC]

Its statisticaly possible that it is someone from this site...

 

[guy incognito]

Its statisticaly possible that it is someone from this site...

Nah. 289,755 members total worldwide out of 7 billion people. I don't know what fraction of those members are from the usa, but even if all of them were american it would only represent 1/10 of 1 percent of the population. It's possible but unlikely at best.

 

[Nice Ol Bud]

Nah. 289,755 members total worldwide out of 7 billion people. I don't know what fraction of those members are from the usa, but even if all of them were american it would only represent 1/10 of 1 percent of the population. It's possible but unlikely at best.

Its still possible.. Lol....??

 

[ANC]

lol, yah, just think how many sperms competed to make you...

 

[guy incognito]

Its still possible.. Lol....??

It's possible but unlikely at best.

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[poplars]

I did not miss it. It becomes irrelevant if you consider the following to be true:

It wouldn't matter how long this person could live if they aren't "suffering" as a consequence of their actions.

I just don't understand how you get from point A to point B to point C. This person does something you cannot comprehend, therefore they have "internal mental suffering", therefore cosmic justice has been served. I'm sorry but this just doesn't follow for me.

meh, this is pretty much my perspective vs yours. you have no evidence, I have no evidence. lets just leave it at that.

unless you want to say some other useless analysis to make yourself seem right? you simply disagree with me, that's fine. I believe they are suffering on a scale that could be considered equal if you look at it the right way, you don't, that's fine.

now you want the last word or something? that can be arranged......

 

[guy incognito]

meh, this is pretty much my perspective vs yours. you have no evidence, I have no evidence. lets just leave it at that.

unless you want to say some other useless analysis to make yourself seem right? you simply disagree with me, that's fine. I believe they are suffering on a scale that could be considered equal if you look at it the right way, you don't, that's fine.

now you want the last word or something? that can be arranged......

You can't just make something up and say "it's my perspective" and assume it's equally as valid though. The burden of proof lies with you.

That's like if I say the flying spaghetti monster is responsible for causing this person to commit this act, and you say "no that doesn't make sense and you have no evidence that's true", and I just counter with "well that's my perspective, and you have no evidence that he didn't cause it, therefore we simply disagree".

You can believe whatever you want, that was never the issue. The issue was the validity of such beliefs. Just because you believe it doesn't make it true.

 

[poplars]

You can't just make something up and say "it's my perspective" and assume it's equally as valid though. The burden of proof lies with you.

That's like if I say the flying spaghetti monster is responsible for causing this person to commit this act, and you say "no that doesn't make sense and you have no evidence that's true", and I just counter with "well that's my perspective, and you have no evidence that he didn't cause it, therefore we simply disagree".

You can believe whatever you want, that was never the issue. The issue was the validity of such beliefs. Just because you believe it doesn't make it true.

what are you the thought police? you think differently than I. I believe that the person who committed this act is living a sub-human life that in turn translates to suffering over a long period of time.. which I consider a force of karma.

now you compare it to something as ridiculous as the spaghetti monster, you're fuckin ridiculous dude. you'll do anything to make yourself seem right, fuck the possibility of my perspective being right, you've come here to win, simple as that.

I explained my perspective to you, you didn't think it was good enough, I do. now what the fuck is your problem now? you just can't stand the possibility of me being right on this one huh? from my perspective it makes perfect sense, you're the one missing a piece of this puzzle.

now please, stop this bullshit, I"m sick of replying to these meaningless analysis's that are literally built to make you sound right, it's pathetic.

and edit: I could explain this to you over and over, and you still would try to say I"m wrong. you really have no point here. your definition of suffering is different than mine, that is the problem here. which leaves you with two choices, change your own definition to see where I'm coming from, or drop this entire mess.

there is option C where you continue to make yourself look like an idiot, which I guess is fine but I'm gonna continue to pick this bullshit apart.

 

[guy incognito]

what are you the thought police? you think differently than I. I believe that the person who committed this act is living a sub-human life that in turn translates to suffering over a long period of time.. which I consider a force of karma.

now you compare it to something as ridiculous as the spaghetti monster, you're fuckin ridiculous dude. you'll do anything to make yourself seem right, fuck the possibility of my perspective being right, you've come here to win, simple as that.

I explained my perspective to you, you didn't think it was good enough, I do. now what the fuck is your problem now? you just can't stand the possibility of me being right on this one huh? from my perspective it makes perfect sense, you're the one missing a piece of this puzzle.

now please, stop this bullshit, I"m sick of replying to these meaningless analysis's that are literally built to make you sound right, it's pathetic.

and edit: I could explain this to you over and over, and you still would try to say I"m wrong. you really have no point here. your definition of suffering is different than mine, that is the problem here. which leaves you with two choices, change your own definition to see where I'm coming from, or drop this entire mess.

there is option C where you continue to make yourself look like an idiot, which I guess is fine but I'm gonna continue to pick this bullshit apart.

The "ridiculous" comparison was to illustrate a point. Simply saying "it's my perspective" doesn't make it valid or logical. No matter how many times you repeat it. I understand fully what you are trying to convey, and I fully understand your original point. And yes you may be correct in this case, this person may be suffering internally to some degree. We definitely disagree on what constitutes "suffering". We also disagree on what karma means.

 

[poplars]

The "ridiculous" comparison was to illustrate a point. Simply saying "it's my perspective" doesn't make it valid or logical. No matter how many times you repeat it. I understand fully what you are trying to convey, and I fully understand your original point. And yes you may be correct in this case, this person may be suffering internally to some degree. We definitely disagree on what constitutes "suffering". We also disagree on what karma means.

FINALLY a response that doesn't sound like you're just trying to make yourself sound right, however it still reeks of that basis that you don't want to be wrong.

you seem to think karma is means that guy should be stuffed into a box himself? I think you got the idea wrong. but that's my opinion, you can keep yours.

 

[guy incognito]

FINALLY a response that doesn't sound like you're just trying to make yourself sound right, however it still reeks of that basis that you don't want to be wrong.

you seem to think karma is means that guy should be stuffed into a box himself? I think you got the idea wrong. but that's my opinion, you can keep yours.

Not that his fate will be exactly the same, but that his suffering and fate will be comparable. I think his suffering needs to be equal in order for karma to be considered real; if it's not equal then I don't see how it could fit anyones definition of karma.

 

[poplars]

Not that his fate will be exactly the same, but that his suffering and fate will be comparable. I think his suffering needs to be equal in order for karma to be considered real; if it's not equal then I don't see how it could fit anyones definition of karma.

well lets break this down for real now...


how much do you really think that girl suffered before she went into shock? how much conscious suffering do you think truly took place?

now lets compare this... if we could, we could establish an equation for duration of suffering vs severity to see if they're equal.

now the temporary time this girl was probably suffering, at max over a span of a couple days, she was in shock and hardly conscious of this for the most part. and to say she was fully conscious of everything would be a foolish mistake, shock is a powerful thing.

now the person committing such acts, had to be fully conscious. now you thiink he may be a sociopath, even so, a sociopath is cursed with not feeling any emotions, which one could say is suffering in itself, a conscious form of suffering that will expand over a lifetime.

I believe if you applied the right math to this, you could see that these forms of suffering are equal. suffering is suffering, even if it's a dull ache vs a quick sharp stab to the gut... suffering is suffering. I believe the quick jab is equal to the long drawn out dull ache....

that's my perspective on this...

edit: thank you for being real with me on this now.

 

[guy incognito]

well lets break this down for real now...


how much do you really think that girl suffered before she went into shock? how much conscious suffering do you think truly took place?

now lets compare this... if we could, we could establish an equation for duration of suffering vs severity to see if they're equal.

now the temporary time this girl was probably suffering, at max over a span of a couple days, she was in shock and hardly conscious of this for the most part. and to say she was fully conscious of everything would be a foolish mistake, shock is a powerful thing.

now the person committing such acts, had to be fully conscious. now you thiink he may be a sociopath, even so, a sociopath is cursed with not feeling any emotions, which one could say is suffering in itself, a conscious form of suffering that will expand over a lifetime.

I believe if you applied the right math to this, you could see that these forms of suffering are equal. suffering is suffering, even if it's a dull ache vs a quick sharp stab to the gut... suffering is suffering. I believe the quick jab is equal to the long drawn out dull ache....

that's my perspective on this...

edit: thank you for being real with me on this now.

I think you are discounting her loss of life. If I instantly died right now I would undergo no real "suffering", yet I would miss out on the rest of my life, which I enjoy a great deal. So if someone murders me instantly and I feel nothing, and don't even see it coming, I would not say the person who committed the act would have zero karmic debt to repay.

Her friends and family also suffered as a result of this. I would say they actually "suffered" more than the girl in terms of total amount of pain and suffering felt by the victim. I would be absolutely devastated if this happened to someone I loved. And if this person was close enough to me I would imagine it would be a lifelong pain that you learn to cope with, but never fully goes away.

I strongly believe this person is a sociopath. My reasoning is that non sociopathic persons have the ability to feel to remorse and guilt and probably would not engage in this behavior. Sociopaths do feel emotions, they don't have the ability to empathize with other people or feel remorse, so their emotions are perhaps crippled and not the same in the sense you or I would experience them. I think this constituting "suffering" is a matter of opinion.

I think all these things must be taken into consideration before you can consider whether their karmic debt has been paid.

While i'm on the subject I don't believe karma stretches over multiple lifespans either. She will not come back and have a better life. This person will not come back and have to pay his debt in another life.

 

[theexpress]

karma will get at that motherfucker who did this... nobody could commit such an act without suffering in their own head...

i donno pops theres some sick ass people in this world

 

[poplars]

I think you are discounting her loss of life. If I instantly died right now I would undergo no real "suffering", yet I would miss out on the rest of my life, which I enjoy a great deal. So if someone murders me instantly and I feel nothing, and don't even see it coming, I would not say the person who committed the act would have zero karmic debt to repay.

Her friends and family also suffered as a result of this. I would say they actually "suffered" more than the girl in terms of total amount of pain and suffering felt by the victim. I would be absolutely devastated if this happened to someone I loved. And if this person was close enough to me I would imagine it would be a lifelong pain that you learn to cope with, but never fully goes away.

I strongly believe this person is a sociopath. My reasoning is that non sociopathic persons have the ability to feel to remorse and guilt and probably would not engage in this behavior. Sociopaths do feel emotions, they don't have the ability to empathize with other people or feel remorse, so their emotions are perhaps crippled and not the same in the sense you or I would experience them. I think this constituting "suffering" is a matter of opinion.

I think all these things must be taken into consideration before you can consider whether their karmic debt has been paid.

While i'm on the subject I don't believe karma stretches over multiple lifespans either. She will not come back and have a better life. This person will not come back and have to pay his debt in another life.

well I do believe in death and rebirth, so there's a lil disconnect here. she isn't suffering from the loss, her family members are, which is stretching out the karma beyond where it was meant to go.

in buddhism it is believed that those who don't reach enlightenment are reborn over and over again. she will be reborn again, he will be reborn again, and the life you are reborn into reflects past actions in previous lives. so I still believe the karma balances out in the end, just not in a way most people can comprehend and accept.

I mean we went from discussingn the suffering of two people to expanding it to family members, which is just making shit more complicated than it needs to be. one could say such suffering experienced by family members gives them the chance to grow as people, testing their abilities, etc.

i donno pops theres some sick ass people in this world

I really believe it's all balanced out in the end bro.

 

[mexiblunt]

Good points both ways but, Does anyone know who or what the girl was or did before this? Who's to say it's not her Karma coming back to her? I mean at one point people stacked up huge bricks into pyramids to facilitate travel in the afterlife, now in modern times we have suitcases. who were the sociopaths?