What Is The Second TRUE Node?

Anjinsan

Well-Known Member
I do not know UB. But...

• you want to learn about a technique that UB does and outlines very well in a thread.

• The question you asked is VERY clearly discussed in said thread.

•*UB comes onto your thread to hand you the link to it.

• UB is somehow a dick?

I get why UB was getting pissy with you. I'd of been too.

BTW I've read the thread in question a few times.
Atleast the first 2 or 3 pages of it. That is where all
the info that is important is.

Happy New Year Everyone.
 

shrigpiece

Well-Known Member
Uncle ben is alright mate, Assholes tend to not want to inherit a bit of knowledge that is kindly offered to them.
PEACE
 

Brick Top

New Member
uncle ben this uncle ben that shit stinks lads trust me it is nt uncle bens technique it was done long be4 uncle ben was around trust me do your fuckin homework lol!!
Evidently you have done your homework. So, who was the first to post this method of topping on any cannabis growing site? If you know Uncle Ben wasn't the first then you know who was the first. Who was it?

Sure, some horticulturalist might have discovered it working with other types of plants back in 1937 or 1952 or in 1978 or whenever, but who found it worked exactly the same on cannabis and who brought it to the cannabis growing sites first?

Evidently you know who was the very first to discover that it worked on plant and also who was the first to discover that it worked equally well on cannabis plants and who was then the very first one to tell cannabis growers about it, or else you would not be saying; "it is nt uncle bens technique it was done long be4 uncle ben was around trust me do your fuckin homework lol!!"

So who where they? What did your; "homework" teach you?

sorry sir uncle ben but it fucks me off wen people stick to people like shit and jump in on people that find it hard to understand a method that has been around 4 years a little help is all that is needed not a cocky knob that thinks his ways are gospel trust me wen you drop the high and mighty you ll find people would respect you a little more.
another tip trying diffrent methods and techniques yourself goes along way some do it some dont those that dont get left behind but those that do go along way trust me bein stuck in a rut is no joy the world is your oyster get out there and do it and you ll never regret it when the end is close.
People that understand horticulture, meaning actual true proven plant related science, people who understand plant functions and plant actions and reactions and know them to be true because they are scientifically proven facts tend to believe them more than what someone playing mad Dr. Ganjastein in their basement or closet or store room or spare room or garage or greenhouse or backyard tried and thinks he discovered too be better, but that runs totally totally contrary to scientifically proven facts.

For some reason the puppies of today think that anything and everything has to be new and different and modern for it to be the best and that anything and everything with some age on it is old school and out of date and out of touch. They want and need to believe that scientifically proven facts have expiration dates on them like a gallon of milk.

All you puppies out there who incorrectly believe that new and different and modern equates to being better need to learn one thing. There's no school like old school, and on RIU Uncle Ben is the fucking headmaster.
 

shrigpiece

Well-Known Member
Evidently you have done your homework. So, who was the first to post this method of topping on any cannabis growing site? If you know Uncle Ben wasn't the first then you know who was the first. Who was it?

Sure, some horticulturalist might have discovered it working with other types of plants back in 1937 or 1952 or in 1978 or whenever, but who found it worked exactly the same on cannabis and who brought it to the cannabis growing sites first?

Evidently you know who was the very first to discover that it worked on plant and also who was the first to discover that it worked equally well on cannabis plants and who was then the very first one to tell cannabis growers about it, or else you would not be saying; "it is nt uncle bens technique it was done long be4 uncle ben was around trust me do your fuckin homework lol!!"

So who where they? What did your; "homework" teach you?

People that understand horticulture, meaning actual true proven plant related science, people who understand plant functions and plant actions and reactions and know them to be true because they are scientifically proven facts tend to believe them more than what someone playing mad Dr. Ganjastein in their basement or closet or store room or spare room or garage or greenhouse or backyard tried and thinks he discovered too be better, but that runs totally totally contrary to scientifically proven facts.

For some reason the puppies of today think that anything and everything has to be new and different and modern for it to be the best and that anything and everything with some age on it is old school and out of date and out of touch. They want and need to believe that scientifically proven facts have expiration dates on them like a gallon of milk.

All you puppies out there who incorrectly believe that new and different and modern equates to being better need to learn one thing. There's no school like old school, and on RIU Uncle Ben is the fucking headmaster.
You know what brick i wish i had the typing stamina you have got. Bravo old boy. PS im the student
 

cheddar1985

Well-Known Member
bricktop im no follower and neva will be i like to be my own headmaster unlike some muppets i believe it was found to be a method on cannabis by mistake my point is that topping was done long be4 uncle ben did his homework on cannabis. old school is a art and always will be but its not the be all and end all of cannabis cultivation just like readin your plants reactions its not fuckin hard trust me. uncle ben does things his way and i do it mine but thats not to say he or i do things wrong.there are many ways to skin a cat.
the dr ganjastein you call upon are the 1s that bring these methods to light and fair fuckin play to them who would of thought of stripping fan leaves off cannabis plants would increase yeilds ? but it does if done correctly and i can vouch for it, just the same as pinching (fimming) is better for mother plants than topping is.
my homework taught me enough to supply me with wot i do and im greatfull for it but the ones that think they are the be all and end all of cannabis cultivation are terribly wrong believe me come back in ten years time and there will be hundreds of uncle ben you call the headmaster lol
atb in the new year and may cannibis cultivation grow as it is today
cheddar1985
 

Brick Top

New Member
there are many ways to skin a cat.

Not when you are dealing with proven facts and if you want the best results possible.

People are free to believe whatever they want to believe. You can believe the world is flat and the moon is made of blue cheese if you want ... but when you start telling other people things like that as if they are facts ... that is just plain wrong and it should not be done.

Sites like this are supposed to be for learning facts about the very best way to grow, they are supposed to be educational, and not debating societies where people discuss, or argue, what they prefer to believe rather than believe proven facts.

Cannabis plants are not really all that different from other plants, other maybe than their are tougher than most plants and they produce cannabinoids that will get a person high. Just like other plants they perform certain functions and when things happen to them or are done to them they will react in the very same ways.

As much as growers who totally lack any true botanical education want and need and love to believe that cannabis plants somehow magically and mystically exist outside the realm of horticultural science and that proven facts, even proven facts that were found while researching cannabis plants, do not in any way apply to them, they are incorrect.

As much as many growers want and need and love to believe that anything and everything new is always better than something older, that older equates to out of date, out of touch, as being inferior, there is no expiration date on scientifically proven facts. Just because something was not thought up yesterday or last month or in the last year or two does not make it any less valid, any less factual than it was on the day it was proven to be factual.

No matter how much they love to believe that someone fiddling around in their basement or store room or closet or spare room or garage or in a cabinet or a PC case or a greenhouse or their backyard happened to stumble across something that highly educated people whose life work it is to research plants, including some whose research specializes in cannabis plants, somehow managed to miss ... it just doesn't happen. It is a myth just as their supposed amazing findings and reasons they claim for them are myths.

Many growers share something in common. They are desperate and they are gullible. They are desperate to find a way to squeeze even just a few more grams from what they grow and to squeeze even just a tiny bit more potency from that they grow and that makes them gullible. It makes them open to every crackpot claim and snake oil salesman pitch about how some 'new' growing method or some product works like a miracle and is the greatest thing since sliced bread .. or sex maybe.

If growers would attend horticulture classes at their local college or Jr. college, if they are offered, and then apply what they learn there to their cannabis growing, their success rate would go way up, the number of problems they would have to deal with would go way down and the quality of what they grow would go up and their yields would go way up.

But for some reason many growers are education phobic. Education and them mix together about as well as a cobra and a mongoose.

Someone comes along who actually knows what they are talking about and offers others very good advice, and they reject it, but then some little clown shoe who hardly knows enough to be capable of growing fungus between his toes tells them some incredibly wild fanciful absurdity and they instantly accept it, they are on it faster than a duck on a June bug .. and then they parrot it over and over and over again as if it is a fact.

Each time that is done someone makes the critical error of believing them and then they pay the price, then they suffer the consequences, their learning curve goes flat-line.

Sites like this should be storehouses of knowledge and educational sites, but sadly most are universities of ignorance where myths and urban legends and misconceptions and inaccuracies and half-truths and old hippie folklore and fads and voodoo growing techniques spread from person to person like a plague and the infected make their best attempt to defend their absurdities against proven facts, and never give in and never admit that they are wrong.

I find that to be sad, shameful and at times flat out disheartening. When I see someone who needs help, who needs good solid factual advice, and they receive, say, 20 replies and among the 20 there are only 2 replies that are accurate, but because of the preponderance of inaccurate replies the person who needs help goes with the inaccurate replies, simply because they figure since more people say it's this way or that way, then they must be right, it sometimes makes me think growers would be much better off if sites like this were never created. They would be much better off purchasing a few good growing books and Googling for proven true facts and taking a course or two than taking the inane advice that many on sites like this dispense.
 

farmboss

Well-Known Member
not only does topping redistribute the auxins.

it redistributes all those "banned in USA" chemical enhanchers we all love.

CHEMICALS FTW!
 

Unequalibrium

Active Member
Let me interrupt your uncle ben worship for a moment. His topping thread was started on 01-17-2009. I've been reading cannabis culture, high times, and such since around 1992, and topping has been discussed in there more times than I can count. Don't act like Uncle Ben dug up some lost relic of information and was nice enough to share it with people in 2009 via the internet. I've read tons of your posts and they are all very well spoken and to the point. But this stuff about UB being the first to distribute that information on the internet is absurd.


Evidently you have done your homework. So, who was the first to post this method of topping on any cannabis growing site? If you know Uncle Ben wasn't the first then you know who was the first. Who was it?

Sure, some horticulturalist might have discovered it working with other types of plants back in 1937 or 1952 or in 1978 or whenever, but who found it worked exactly the same on cannabis and who brought it to the cannabis growing sites first?

Evidently you know who was the very first to discover that it worked on plant and also who was the first to discover that it worked equally well on cannabis plants and who was then the very first one to tell cannabis growers about it, or else you would not be saying; "it is nt uncle bens technique it was done long be4 uncle ben was around trust me do your fuckin homework lol!!"

So who where they? What did your; "homework" teach you?

People that understand horticulture, meaning actual true proven plant related science, people who understand plant functions and plant actions and reactions and know them to be true because they are scientifically proven facts tend to believe them more than what someone playing mad Dr. Ganjastein in their basement or closet or store room or spare room or garage or greenhouse or backyard tried and thinks he discovered too be better, but that runs totally totally contrary to scientifically proven facts.

For some reason the puppies of today think that anything and everything has to be new and different and modern for it to be the best and that anything and everything with some age on it is old school and out of date and out of touch. They want and need to believe that scientifically proven facts have expiration dates on them like a gallon of milk.

All you puppies out there who incorrectly believe that new and different and modern equates to being better need to learn one thing. There's no school like old school, and on RIU Uncle Ben is the fucking headmaster.
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
Let me interrupt your uncle ben worship for a moment. His topping thread was started on 01-17-2009. I've been reading cannabis culture, high times, and such since around 1992, and topping has been discussed in there more times than I can count. Don't act like Uncle Ben dug up some lost relic of information and was nice enough to share it with people in 2009 via the internet. I've read tons of your posts and they are all very well spoken and to the point. But this stuff about UB being the first to distribute that information on the internet is absurd.
This is funny. Topping comes in many disguises, with different results.

Actually, the first informational post in ANY cannabis forum on my topping technique to induce 4 main colas was at a site called cannabis.com many years ago. Guys like Arjan of Greenhouse Seeds read that thread and adopted the procedure.

It's not rocket science. It's all about hormonal responses.

UB
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
Not when you are dealing with proven facts and if you want the best results possible.

People are free to believe whatever they want to believe. You can believe the world is flat and the moon is made of blue cheese if you want ... but when you start telling other people things like that as if they are facts ... that is just plain wrong and it should not be done.

Sites like this are supposed to be for learning facts about the very best way to grow, they are supposed to be educational, and not debating societies where people discuss, or argue, what they prefer to believe rather than believe proven facts.

Cannabis plants are not really all that different from other plants, other maybe than their are tougher than most plants and they produce cannabinoids that will get a person high. Just like other plants they perform certain functions and when things happen to them or are done to them they will react in the very same ways.

As much as growers who totally lack any true botanical education want and need and love to believe that cannabis plants somehow magically and mystically exist outside the realm of horticultural science and that proven facts, even proven facts that were found while researching cannabis plants, do not in any way apply to them, they are incorrect.

As much as many growers want and need and love to believe that anything and everything new is always better than something older, that older equates to out of date, out of touch, as being inferior, there is no expiration date on scientifically proven facts. Just because something was not thought up yesterday or last month or in the last year or two does not make it any less valid, any less factual than it was on the day it was proven to be factual.

No matter how much they love to believe that someone fiddling around in their basement or store room or closet or spare room or garage or in a cabinet or a PC case or a greenhouse or their backyard happened to stumble across something that highly educated people whose life work it is to research plants, including some whose research specializes in cannabis plants, somehow managed to miss ... it just doesn't happen. It is a myth just as their supposed amazing findings and reasons they claim for them are myths.

Many growers share something in common. They are desperate and they are gullible. They are desperate to find a way to squeeze even just a few more grams from what they grow and to squeeze even just a tiny bit more potency from that they grow and that makes them gullible. It makes them open to every crackpot claim and snake oil salesman pitch about how some 'new' growing method or some product works like a miracle and is the greatest thing since sliced bread .. or sex maybe.

If growers would attend horticulture classes at their local college or Jr. college, if they are offered, and then apply what they learn there to their cannabis growing, their success rate would go way up, the number of problems they would have to deal with would go way down and the quality of what they grow would go up and their yields would go way up.

But for some reason many growers are education phobic. Education and them mix together about as well as a cobra and a mongoose.

Someone comes along who actually knows what they are talking about and offers others very good advice, and they reject it, but then some little clown shoe who hardly knows enough to be capable of growing fungus between his toes tells them some incredibly wild fanciful absurdity and they instantly accept it, they are on it faster than a duck on a June bug .. and then they parrot it over and over and over again as if it is a fact.

Each time that is done someone makes the critical error of believing them and then they pay the price, then they suffer the consequences, their learning curve goes flat-line.

Sites like this should be storehouses of knowledge and educational sites, but sadly most are universities of ignorance where myths and urban legends and misconceptions and inaccuracies and half-truths and old hippie folklore and fads and voodoo growing techniques spread from person to person like a plague and the infected make their best attempt to defend their absurdities against proven facts, and never give in and never admit that they are wrong.

I find that to be sad, shameful and at times flat out disheartening. When I see someone who needs help, who needs good solid factual advice, and they receive, say, 20 replies and among the 20 there are only 2 replies that are accurate, but because of the preponderance of inaccurate replies the person who needs help goes with the inaccurate replies, simply because they figure since more people say it's this way or that way, then they must be right, it sometimes makes me think growers would be much better off if sites like this were never created. They would be much better off purchasing a few good growing books and Googling for proven true facts and taking a course or two than taking the inane advice that many on sites like this dispense.
You nailed it bro.

Happy New Year.
 

Pipe Dream

Well-Known Member
the first set of leaves is round...the second set is jagged but only one leaf....the third set is the true set with more than one leaf per side usually like 3 leaves and more every set.
I was totally wrong. :(
Wish I would have been corrected instead of having to learn the hard way. Sorry for the misinformation.
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
I was totally wrong. :(
Wish I would have been corrected instead of having to learn the hard way. Sorry for the misinformation.
With first hand experience comes understanding of the growth phases of cannabis. Cannabis must go thru a juvenile stage before adulthood.
 

Brick Top

New Member
Let me interrupt your uncle ben worship for a moment. His topping thread was started on 01-17-2009.
That was here .. on this site .. but Uncle Ben goes back a lot farther online on sites like this than just his time on this site.

You seem to fail to realize that RIU is not, or was not the first online growing site nor the first that Uncle Ben has been a member of. We have been on several together, we're you there with us and know what was discussed?

Before that we were each on different boards, but still both of goes back many years online and on many sites, most, if not all now defunct. Do you have any idea of what Uncle Ben was saying online all those years ago on all those various other sites, or do you only know what he has said since; "01-17-2009."

Before you reply be sure to remove your foot from your mouth. It will make admitting that you do not have a clue about what Uncle Ben was saying on other sites over the years previous to; "01-17-2009" easier to get out.
 

dlively11

Well-Known Member
Not when you are dealing with proven facts and if you want the best results possible.

People are free to believe whatever they want to believe. You can believe the world is flat and the moon is made of blue cheese if you want ... but when you start telling other people things like that as if they are facts ... that is just plain wrong and it should not be done.

Sites like this are supposed to be for learning facts about the very best way to grow, they are supposed to be educational, and not debating societies where people discuss, or argue, what they prefer to believe rather than believe proven facts.

Cannabis plants are not really all that different from other plants, other maybe than their are tougher than most plants and they produce cannabinoids that will get a person high. Just like other plants they perform certain functions and when things happen to them or are done to them they will react in the very same ways.

As much as growers who totally lack any true botanical education want and need and love to believe that cannabis plants somehow magically and mystically exist outside the realm of horticultural science and that proven facts, even proven facts that were found while researching cannabis plants, do not in any way apply to them, they are incorrect.

As much as many growers want and need and love to believe that anything and everything new is always better than something older, that older equates to out of date, out of touch, as being inferior, there is no expiration date on scientifically proven facts. Just because something was not thought up yesterday or last month or in the last year or two does not make it any less valid, any less factual than it was on the day it was proven to be factual.

No matter how much they love to believe that someone fiddling around in their basement or store room or closet or spare room or garage or in a cabinet or a PC case or a greenhouse or their backyard happened to stumble across something that highly educated people whose life work it is to research plants, including some whose research specializes in cannabis plants, somehow managed to miss ... it just doesn't happen. It is a myth just as their supposed amazing findings and reasons they claim for them are myths.

Many growers share something in common. They are desperate and they are gullible. They are desperate to find a way to squeeze even just a few more grams from what they grow and to squeeze even just a tiny bit more potency from that they grow and that makes them gullible. It makes them open to every crackpot claim and snake oil salesman pitch about how some 'new' growing method or some product works like a miracle and is the greatest thing since sliced bread .. or sex maybe.

If growers would attend horticulture classes at their local college or Jr. college, if they are offered, and then apply what they learn there to their cannabis growing, their success rate would go way up, the number of problems they would have to deal with would go way down and the quality of what they grow would go up and their yields would go way up.

But for some reason many growers are education phobic. Education and them mix together about as well as a cobra and a mongoose.

Someone comes along who actually knows what they are talking about and offers others very good advice, and they reject it, but then some little clown shoe who hardly knows enough to be capable of growing fungus between his toes tells them some incredibly wild fanciful absurdity and they instantly accept it, they are on it faster than a duck on a June bug .. and then they parrot it over and over and over again as if it is a fact.

Each time that is done someone makes the critical error of believing them and then they pay the price, then they suffer the consequences, their learning curve goes flat-line.

Sites like this should be storehouses of knowledge and educational sites, but sadly most are universities of ignorance where myths and urban legends and misconceptions and inaccuracies and half-truths and old hippie folklore and fads and voodoo growing techniques spread from person to person like a plague and the infected make their best attempt to defend their absurdities against proven facts, and never give in and never admit that they are wrong.

I find that to be sad, shameful and at times flat out disheartening. When I see someone who needs help, who needs good solid factual advice, and they receive, say, 20 replies and among the 20 there are only 2 replies that are accurate, but because of the preponderance of inaccurate replies the person who needs help goes with the inaccurate replies, simply because they figure since more people say it's this way or that way, then they must be right, it sometimes makes me think growers would be much better off if sites like this were never created. They would be much better off purchasing a few good growing books and Googling for proven true facts and taking a course or two than taking the inane advice that many on sites like this dispense.
You and UB are complete contraditctions. According to you two everything there is to know about growing cannibas has already been written decades ago and there are no improvements to be made. Then you guys come in here acting like UB invented how to make multiple colas...... It really is amusing to say the least. You two are ALWAYS the first to pop into threads and tear people apart for trying something that isnt "old school" and blab on and on about all your botanical scientifially proven facts etc etc etc. Gets really old. People come on this forum to learn. Just because you know how to grow "old school" doesnt mean you cant learn a thing or two yourself about growing. You two need to stop acting like you are better then everyone elsebecause clearly you are not.

Oh and UB you came across as a real J*RK to the OP who was simply trying to gain knowledge. If everyone on this forum acted like you there would be nothing on this forum but people getting replies of "read the book newbie !!" Damn sad fellas.
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
You and UB are complete contraditctions. According to you two everything there is to know about growing cannibas has already been written decades ago and there are no improvements to be made.
You can not reinvent the wheel. Gimmicks and trends is another story.

Then you guys come in here acting like UB invented how to make multiple colas......
I'll explain, reaaaaaaaaaal slow so you might be able to git it. I never said I invented anything regarding making "multiple colas" which can be and is usually done by topping above the 8th node. About 15 years ago I posted a thread which showed how to train a prospective one cola plant into EITHER 2 main colas or four.

Got it?

You two are ALWAYS the first to pop into threads and tear people apart for trying something that isnt "old school" and blab on and on about all your botanical scientifially proven facts etc etc etc. Gets really old.
Removing the very unit that produces bud is not new, IT'S STUPID. You know what gets old? Explaining what makes a plant tick to every new crop of noobs like you. BT and I have been doing this since you was messin' in your drawers.

People come on this forum to learn.
Yeah, they come away with a lot of crap too. One must consider the source, and popular opinion and, ill founded paradigms will get you into trouble every time.

Oh and UB you came across as a real J*RK to the OP who was simply trying to gain knowledge. If everyone on this forum acted like you there would be nothing on this forum but people getting replies of "read the book newbie !!" Damn sad fellas.
Now......I've got a bone to pick with you and the thread starter. The question raised should have been posted in Basic, not Advanced. Obviously he has never grown a plant before or can't grasp what a node is and where it's to be found. He then goes off posting in the wrong forum. If you don't know the basics people, then you should learn them before posting the same old tired questions in a forum which is designed for "new" techniques. http://www.starterupsteve.com/swf/posting.html

UB
 

shrigpiece

Well-Known Member
Reading this made me feel like a A1 student. Never argued with veteran horticulturalists. You boys might learn something from brick top and uncle ben, hell they don't know me because i read and don't asked questions. After all they are proven facts. UB is a pro.
 
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