Im gonna veg them to 8" & flower them.thats what fdd did& he showed his results.they were awesome.now im no fdd by any means,which is why i stated"attempt"!ive only got 278watts right now.havnt seen it yet,but a buddys hookin' me up w/250w hps to add in flowering.if it falls thru,ill be adding more cfls.i'll worry bout dat later.i got every thing about 6" from 4 4ft t12s&2 23w cfls,just till every thing catches.then add more as it goes.thats about all till i can post pics. *if you've stuck around!*