Changing from HPS to LED......is he nuttz ?
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bloomfields
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lol agreed , click the survey plz i need eveidence lol , would you hang them on your xmas tree ?
dura72
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im that fuckin lazy i didnt even put a xmas tree up!lol agreed , click the survey plz i need eveidence lol , would you hang them on your xmas tree ?
bloomfields
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HaHa +rep for cracking me up =)
HeshWantsCandy
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I want to vote but the question is too broad. They both have pros and cons for a number of different scenarios.
SmokeyMcSmokester
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LEDs are awesome..this is my friends grow(we share the same house), and he is using my LED panels..i let him be the first to try a full LED grow, and im convinced..i have 6 panels, and i will use 2 over each 36 site aeroflo in the future..LEDs will only get better too.
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Now you're acting just like a troll inviting people to join you in your trolling. I gave you many links of at least 3 differen't grows, each of those grows has people with links to their LED grows and you picked one adn made your conclusion. I have given you evidence and you choose to ignore it and invite more people to bash on LED lights because you guys have already made up your minds that your precious HID is superior. I agree that each has its pros and cons, but to say that HID is superior and bash LEDs without looking through more than 1 grow is just ignorance.lol agreed , click the survey plz i need eveidence lol , would you hang them on your xmas tree ?
Seriously, I've seen at least 5 completed LED grows and I cannot tell the difference between them and HID grown plants. GOOD (because there are a lot of cheap crap ones out there) LED lights grow just as well as HID lights watt for watt. And the only reason I am switching to LED from HID is because I don't want to deal with the heat of HID. I am willing to spend up to $1100 to grow as much and as well as 500-600w of HID. LED lights can grow, the best reason not to go LED isn't because they can't grow as well as HID (watt for watt), its because they are very expensive up front.
People choosing HID on a survey isn't evidence of anything except people picking HID on a survey. I gave you evidence, I haven't seen anyone provide counter evidence with proof that LED lights can't grow marijuana (and if they did it would be crappy LED lights because I have evidence that proves they can).
bloomfields
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Fair comment but he has a large grow area
bloomfields
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can i ask how much the panels he is using cost ??? i am interested not trolling as some users like to say , what size area is he growing in ?
bloomfields
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and seriously i have 2 friends that have tried and failed , and i am dissmissing them in a larger grow area , as i have not!! seen evidence that proves they can cover an area like a hid does , trolls dont exist , its not just cost they are not as effective unless in a real confined space , trolls dont exist , i will refrain from internet insults DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!
Cool stuff man, hey can I ask whose LED lights those are? / what brand? I'm always looking for more good brands so I can refer people to those LED lights which don't suck. Also: it looks like those lights are 3 feet above the canopy, whats up with that? LED lights should be 12-18 inches above I believe.
bloomfields
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the poll so far is 16 - 4 in hid's favour , so shall we wait and see.......?
Hey man I know you aren't a troll its just that you are acting a lot like one in here. Yeah if you are growing in a large space its probably more cost efficient to go with HID because it can take awhile before the savings from LEDs can show themselves (because they also have to make up for the larger upfront cost). I would say that unless your friend plans on growing plants more than 3 feet tall that he might want to reconsider. But if he is making the switch something must have convinced him to do so, what does he have to say about it?
bloomfields
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He says that he has been offered a deal , whereas if he posts his grow journal on here, with the led's then he wont have to pay until the first grow is finished and there is a 20% discount , his order however is topping 6k or more , hes already raking it in , doing very well with hid's i just feel hes been brainwashed by someone as its come on all of a sudden , like yesterday he was cool , now hes a led man lol, his flower space is huge , i still dont think even with 6 panels at that cost he will match his 3-600w hps lights in that big an area , i just cant see it , i agree , for small personal growers or closet box growers , cfl's or leds are perfect , if they were any good , wouldnt we all have them ??? confusing isnt it ....
The idea that if they were good we would all have them is a bit silly (because they can grow good but they have their own Pros/Cons just like HID does). There are amazing LED panels out now that appear to work as well or better than HID watt for watt (although a 600w LED wouldn't have as much penetration as a 600w HID I imagine). For 6 grand I could buy at least 10-12 awesome 240w LED panels or at least 5 or 6 awesome 400w panels. While the penetration power of LED lights isn't as good as HID, a good panel with the right lens angle can handle 3 foot tall plants easily. I bet he will get even bigger yield with 6-12 good LED panels than 3 600w HID lights. He may need to grow the plants shorter (probably best to keep them under 4 feet) but with the increased coverage area he could have more plants. Do you know who he is getting them from?
Its certainly possible he is getting brainwashed by an LED person who isn't being as truthful or charging as appropriately as he should. But your friend could certainly grow a lot of amazing bud with $6k worth of good LED panels. Although if I wanted to do as well as three 600w HPS lights I would probably buy as few as six 240w panels because while a single LED light can't grow as much as a single HID of greater wattage, you could grow more bud with the greater coverage area of 2 LED lights with fewer watts.
PS: it would be amazing to see your friend run a dozen LED panels with light movers. That would be soooooo much product :O
bloomfields
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Short plants means less buds(in most cases not all) , i have been to a show in Portugal , gonna dig up the info for you but the salesmans message was this pretty much .." they wont produce as much dense bud that your hid's are producing , and they wont cover as great an area, but your electric bill will sure as hell come down" you have to imagine it in Portuguese lol, but yeah , plus the intial outlay is way to high , hids 600w say what 100-150 bucks for a 600w , a 600w panel was in the region of 1100euros, plus vat :O
bloomfields
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panels with movers going left right up and down along the sides , shit!!!
Yeah shorter plants will have less bud than taller plants, but a great number of smaller plants can get you more bud than a smaller number of taller plants. That was my point with him getting a lot of LED panels, he won't be able to grow plants as tall but he can grow more plants and get more bud that way.
He could have rows of LED panels on light movers so that every plant always has an LED passing right over or next to it and get even more bud than if he didn't buy light movers. If he has the room and the ability to get up to a dozen LED panels on light movers then OMG he will have an amazing room!
PS: I hope he isn't buying 600w LED panels. I think its way better to have multiple smaller watt panels than fewer high watt panels! Since the penetrating power isn't as good as HID one wants to spread their LEDs out and take advantage of a larger growing area. A 600w LED panel has the same LEDs with the same amount of power going into each bulb as a 300w LED, with the 600 they are simply much closer together. Since the amount of penetration doesn't change with having a higher Watt LED panel (that is one advantage HID has that LED doesn't) you want to spread it out instead of concentrating those 600w of LED into one panel instead of 2-3
HeshWantsCandy
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Wait whoa you didn't mention that earlier, the bit about the deal your mate has worked out with the lights. I don't even see how you're worried about him leaving hids and I certainly feel he's being anything but brainwashed. He has the lights and hasn't even paid for them LOL. So where is the harm in that? It's definitely far from brainwashing when he didn't have to give anything upfront and he's being given a chance to witness the difference for himself under his own control and circumstances. The outcome of the grow will be what sways him, and quite possibly yourself. LEDs are going to be the shit one day, do not fear change my friend 
EDIT: after this post I've decided my vote goes to LEDs. Given their current technological capabilities, they are currently as efficient as HIDs in certain cases that is. They only will get better from here! Bottomline my vote is determined by efficiency, and LEDs will always win in that department.
EDIT: after this post I've decided my vote goes to LEDs. Given their current technological capabilities, they are currently as efficient as HIDs in certain cases that is. They only will get better from here! Bottomline my vote is determined by efficiency, and LEDs will always win in that department.
mcgyversmoke
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I've personally seen people pull mass weight with LED's.... In a closet
1- 400w panel in a 3x4 space pulled just under 8 ounces off 4 plants, with a 3 week veg and LST
so i know it can be done to pull as much as HID but I believe that the Larger sized plants in a larger area will definately suffer...
so i'm def not against them, they have the potential to pull good bud ( btw was jack herer clones some of the best bud ive ever had! trich's ontop of trichs)
but for a large area my vote goes to HPS,
i use a 1000w in a 8x3x10 closet and love it but the heat is ridiculous! had to get a 1000w a/c just to cool the closet.
i peronally would love the chance to try LED's for free at least i would never front money for them till they come down in price.
hope that helps!
1- 400w panel in a 3x4 space pulled just under 8 ounces off 4 plants, with a 3 week veg and LST
so i know it can be done to pull as much as HID but I believe that the Larger sized plants in a larger area will definately suffer...
so i'm def not against them, they have the potential to pull good bud ( btw was jack herer clones some of the best bud ive ever had! trich's ontop of trichs)
but for a large area my vote goes to HPS,
i use a 1000w in a 8x3x10 closet and love it but the heat is ridiculous! had to get a 1000w a/c just to cool the closet.
i peronally would love the chance to try LED's for free at least i would never front money for them till they come down in price.
hope that helps!