Bushmaster and Gravity Questions? +rep for good advice

[Uncle Ben]

do you understand how polution and radiation are carreid in the soil? heavey metals act as vessels for all kinds of things.. thats WHY nute companies use them, check ALL of your inorganic nute bottles, they will tell you to check their heavey metals content..

Extracts of seaweed kelp are full of heavy metals. I'd guess about 40 of them.

 

[cerberus]

for sure, heavey metals are in everything. from nature and from mans polution.. that doesn't mean we should add more, especially not using the metal as a nutirent.. a nasa satalite failure introduced mercury in every organism on earth from a strasphere explosion, that doesnt mean im going to start putting it in my drinking water..

p.s.
you pm box is full, id like to ask you some soil Q's.

 

[Uncle Ben]

What are your experiences with Gravity? Is it worth buying?

Not singling you out, but do you guys EVER find out what's in these products or you going by the name (which is designed to conjur up a certain mental image and effect)? The cannabis racket's marketing gimmicks work, at least for most, not all. Do you trust cannabis vendors to tell you the truth or only tell you what you want to hear?

"Gravity" (cute name) is nothing more than a very cheaply made phosphorus product, very watered down, 0-2-0 and to further suck you in, added this, that, and the other in a worthless amount of .01%, claimed, not verified. I mean $23.00/8oz plus shipping costs, on a worthless product.....are you shittin' me? Try to find a bonafide analysis on these crap products. http://www.everydayhydro.com/gra403.html I also don't trust their analysis, I think they're lieing. A manufacturer provides soluble P in the form of a salt like MonoAmmonium phosphate, potassium phosphate. Accordingly, you're also adding N and K respectively. My educated guess is that it's phosphoric acid in a highly diluted state. Buy a highly concentrated acid for pennies (phosphoric acid) from a brew store.

A bloom food with no N? (BigAzz Bloom) It's leaves that make the bud, not plant food. Feed them a food without N and you've done lost the very plant unit you need to rely on for yields.

Considering the kind of genetics I have, I want to get the most I can out of them.

Then learn what makes a plant tick.

Get wise to the lies,
UB

 

[Uncle Ben]

for sure, heavey metals are in everything. from nature and from mans polution.. that doesn't mean we should add more, especially not using the metal as a nutirent.. a nasa satalite failure introduced mercury in every organism on earth from a strasphere explosion, that doesnt mean im going to start putting it in my drinking water..

Recommend you get a full body chemistry analysis, blood, and see how everything is functioning. I'm hyper organic, but I sure don't fall for the propaganda and half truths of the Green Movement. That groups relies on feelings, not facts.

p.s.
you pm box is full, id like to ask you some soil Q's.

And that's why I leave it full, so I don't get questions, most of them basic that could be answered with a search. I don't take lightly to fielding questions via PM's. If you have a cultural question then post it in a thread. I've posted alot of stuff on soil lately.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Oh, and where's my + rep for good advice?

 

[cerberus]

yeah.. thats worth a +rep...

I have an advanced degree, albeit not in a soil science. I'm not even sure what your claiming is "green science" heavey metals? hemp's use to clean it up? the heavey metals are bad for you? anyways.. I don't really care about that inflamatory shit, keep on keeping on with your style bro.
and as for the Q about mychrozia and soil cultures was fairly upfront and I was hoping to avoid the aggro banter that seems to be plagueing this site these days BUT I can see I came to the wrong place for that..

thanks for all the help, you really are a HUGE asset to this board...

 

[dlively11]

Not singling you out, but do you guys EVER find out what's in these products or you going by the name (which is designed to conjur up a certain mental image and effect)? The cannabis racket's marketing gimmicks work, at least for most, not all. Do you trust cannabis vendors to tell you the truth or only tell you what you want to hear?

"Gravity" (cute name) is nothing more than a very cheaply made phosphorus product, very watered down, 0-2-0 and to further suck you in, added this, that, and the other in a worthless amount of .01%, claimed, not verified. I mean $23.00/8oz plus shipping costs, on a worthless product.....are you shittin' me? Try to find a bonafide analysis on these crap products. http://www.everydayhydro.com/gra403.html I also don't trust their analysis, I think they're lieing. A manufacturer provides soluble P in the form of a salt like MonoAmmonium phosphate, potassium phosphate. Accordingly, you're also adding N and K respectively. My educated guess is that it's phosphoric acid in a highly diluted state. Buy a highly concentrated acid for pennies (phosphoric acid) from a brew store.

A bloom food with no N? (BigAzz Bloom) It's leaves that make the bud, not plant food. Feed them a food without N and you've done lost the very plant unit you need to rely on for yields.

Then learn what makes a plant tick.

Get wise to the lies,
UB

Yeah kind of like how you spent $110 on a liter of hormones recently that can be made for pennies on the dollar and I even showed you how. Same exact hormone. Guess you are just as dumb as the rest of the sheep eh Benny boy ?

BTW, I and RIU will not tolerate the bullshit unclue ben, leave now.

 

[dlively11]

FYI Gravity works EXACTLY as advertised and a little goes a long ways. I know plenty of advanced garderners who have had the same distinct results. Worth every penny. Have never seen any other product come close to making buds as dense and heavy as Gravity does period......

 

[hoagtech]

I used to have to top my plants twice. Once towards the end of transition and another time a month later when it grows out under the HPS. Since Ive used bushmaster, Ive noticed much better health in my plants probably because im not leaving it open to infections by cutting its head off twice in one lifetime.
Theres nothing you can do stop your strains from getting bigger under bloom other than shortening your grow stage and staying away from high nitrogen nutrients.
Bushmaster did noticeably bulk my budsites compared to my previous grow when i topped it twice. The last harvest had very stringy buds with lots of leaf and giant hairs. This time the budsites are looking plumper than your aunties boobies.

 

[Uncle Ben]

The last harvest had very stringy buds with lots of leaf and giant hairs. This time the budsites are looking plumper than your aunties boobies.

Well, based on the distention of Aunt Benita's post menopause boobies, let's hope yours don't disappoint.

UB

 

[purrrrple]

Yo Ben,
I've sat by for years and watched and listened as you've talked down and belittled people. Without fail, every thread I see you are talking about "snake oils" & "evil marketing" etc. It's just fucking annoying to listen to this shit for years. I'm not denying you have vast knowledge of plant biology and horticulture in general but you waste so much time/energy bashing other people/products it overshadows all the good info you have. Basically, in a nice way, just shut the fuck up.

 

[Uncle Ben]

....this coming from a snake oil junkie:

Yo Ben,
I've sat by for years and watched and listened as you've talked down and belittled people. Without fail, every thread I see you are talking about "snake oils" & "evil marketing" etc. It's just fucking annoying to listen to this shit for years. I'm not denying you have vast knowledge of plant biology and horticulture in general but you waste so much time/energy bashing other people/products it overshadows all the good info you have. Basically, in a nice way, just shut the fuck up.

Just looking out for the folks.

Why don't you try another tact - either put me on ignore or refute my posts, with facts. Simple, eh? If your positions have any merit, they will prevail.

Let's start now, shall we? Where do you get off thinking a 0-2-0 has any real world plant nutritional value? We all know it's extremely expensive.

UB

 

[Uncle Ben]

FYI Gravity works EXACTLY as advertised......

You mean, cannabis grows exactly as mother nature intended it to. Since reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strongest suit, I'll repeat the facts again:

"Gravity" (cute name) is nothing more than a very cheaply made phosphorus product, very watered down - 0-2-0....... and to further suck you in, added this, that, and the other in a worthless amount of .01%, claimed, not verified. I mean $23.00/8oz plus shipping costs, on a worthless product.....are you shittin' me? Try to find a bonafide analysis on these crap products. http://www.everydayhydro.com/gra403.html I also don't trust their analysis, I think they're lieing. A manufacturer provides soluble P in the form of a salt like MonoAmmonium phosphate, potassium phosphate. Accordingly, you're also adding N and K respectively. My educated guess is that it's phosphoric acid in a highly diluted state. Buy a highly concentrated acid for pennies (phosphoric acid) from a brew store.
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.....a little goes a long ways.

Bullshit, who you trying to kid? An analysis of 0-2-0 is next to kin to pure water. A 1/2 tsp./gallon will have no real world effect, no nutritional value. Now...... a little of a 10-60-10 goes a long way. Learn what the numbers mean, kid. And for the record, Bonzi is a PGR. It's the real deal made by bonafide scientists, not made/sold by shysters out to screw stoners.

UB

 

[hoagtech]

Well it might be a plecebo effect that makes it work. Because I had leggy plants with little budsites on them. Then I used bushmaster And I have plump nice buds still forming. Seriously there are some people that belieive that positive thinking and confidence changes your world for the better. It Could just be your good intentions transcending to your plants. Haha jk Its early for me.. Im not sure sure I beleive that crap It sounds cool in my head so Im typin it.

 

[dlively11]

You mean, cannabis grows exactly as mother nature intended it to. Since reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strongest suit, I'll repeat the facts again:

"Gravity" (cute name) is nothing more than a very cheaply made phosphorus product, very watered down - 0-2-0....... and to further suck you in, added this, that, and the other in a worthless amount of .01%, claimed, not verified. I mean $23.00/8oz plus shipping costs, on a worthless product.....are you shittin' me? Try to find a bonafide analysis on these crap products. http://www.everydayhydro.com/gra403.html I also don't trust their analysis, I think they're lieing. A manufacturer provides soluble P in the form of a salt like MonoAmmonium phosphate, potassium phosphate. Accordingly, you're also adding N and K respectively. My educated guess is that it's phosphoric acid in a highly diluted state. Buy a highly concentrated acid for pennies (phosphoric acid) from a brew store. ​

Bullshit, who you trying to kid? An analysis of 0-2-0 is next to kin to pure water. A 1/2 tsp./gallon will have no real world effect, no nutritional value. Now...... a little of a 10-60-10 goes a long way. Learn what the numbers mean, kid. And for the record, Bonzi is a PGR. It's the real deal made by bonafide scientists, not made/sold by shysters out to screw stoners.

UB

Look Unclue Ben, the shit works whatever they have in it just like Bushmaster works. I'll agree that they probably leave out some of their ingredients most like some type of hormone. Gravity does not offer barely noticable changes but rather VERY nticable change if applied correctly. I have used it on the same grows same strains from the same mother plants and the ones with Gravity while they were not larger buds they densness and weight was much much more on the Gravity fed plants. The buds I used it on were literally rock hard. Even while growing you can barely squeeze them at all. When dried they dont give at all. I gave some to several people and they complained because it was so hard it broke their grinder . Used it on strains that were known to be light anf fluffy and it turns them around. Tried all kinds of phosphoric acids and combos and nothing has made buds this hard that I can find . Look I am a freaking cheapskate too when it comes to nutes. I use powder nutes at less then 50% the cost of all the other BS out there. I am still willing to try stuff out and it if undeniably works I will implement it into my grows. I and other very experienced growers have tried

Look you are obviously more caught up into what YOU think doesnt work then what might work out there. I dont know if some nute manufacturer burned your house down or what but you have a real issue with them all.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Well it might be a plecebo effect that makes it work.

Ya think...?

 

[dlively11]

Bullshit, who you trying to kid? An analysis of 0-2-0 is next to kin to pure water. A 1/2 tsp./gallon will have no real world effect, no nutritional value. Now...... a little of a 10-60-10 goes a long way. Learn what the numbers mean, kid. And for the record, Bonzi is a PGR. It's the real deal made by bonafide scientists, not made/sold by shysters out to screw stoners.

UB

I forgot to add, I guess it being like pure water is why many people have burned the crap out of their plants by using a little too much or not moving their lights up. The manufacturer even suggests this. Must be Placebo though ... lol ..

As for your precious OVERPRICED Bonzi with the PGR Paclobutrazol in it that you of all people paid $110 for. I posted a link on how to make it yourself by buying pure Paclobutrazol powder for $10 which was enough to make like 20 times what you just wasted your money on. Yet you still somehow piss on that as well. If anyone should have supported such a post to NOT support a big manufacturer I would have thought it would be you. Instead you are so caught up in being right and that I and others must be wrong you cut off your nose to spite your face. It would bother you so much to be "wrong" and to have spent 20X the money that you tried to turn it around in some typical BS fashion....... Priceless .... simply priceless......

 

[dlively11]

Yo Ben,
I've sat by for years and watched and listened as you've talked down and belittled people. Without fail, every thread I see you are talking about "snake oils" & "evil marketing" etc. It's just fucking annoying to listen to this shit for years. I'm not denying you have vast knowledge of plant biology and horticulture in general but you waste so much time/energy bashing other people/products it overshadows all the good info you have. Basically, in a nice way, just shut the fuck up.

amen brother a fvcking men.. I agree 100%. No one will listen to a guy like this in these types of threads because of how he comes across. Right or wrong. He continually DOESNT get his point across because he acts like a 5 year old having a tantrum.

 

[collective gardener]

Yo Ben,
I've sat by for years and watched and listened as you've talked down and belittled people. Without fail, every thread I see you are talking about "snake oils" & "evil marketing" etc. It's just fucking annoying to listen to this shit for years. I'm not denying you have vast knowledge of plant biology and horticulture in general but you waste so much time/energy bashing other people/products it overshadows all the good info you have. Basically, in a nice way, just shut the fuck up.

You're my new hero.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Placebo, psychosomatic....same dynamics.

People probably burned their plants because that's what they do - too much light, too much fertilizer, too much...... Doesn't mean it has a damned thing to do with the application of some snake oil.

As for your precious OVERPRICED Bonzi with the PGR Paclobutrazol in it that you of all people paid $110 for.

You know nothing about the real world of ag, just stoner bullshit. That is a very reasonable price for a product that is delivered to my door and comes with years, perhaps decades, of field trials and technical help. You can't say that about your Advance Shysters folks as they have no real world studies. They rely on hype, cute label names, claims, even half naked girls on their homepage (AN) as a draw. That is enough to scare away any reasonable person. Here is the EPA approved label for Bonzi - http://www.syngentaprofessionalproducts.com/prodrender/index.aspx?nav=labels&ProdID=878&ProdNM=Bonzi Found this interesting thread on what it 'may' contain: http://www.gardenscure.com/420/plant-food-nutrients/139996-bushmaster-aint-just-sea-weed.html

Like I said, you screw around with PGR's and this is what you get: < http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/floriculture/Rx/PGR Overdose Guide.pdf > Copy/paste the entire link. That first photo, upper right, could be due to the use of one your oils with da secret ingredients LOL. Of course, we really don't know what's in Bushmaster, what makes it work so well, do we? Trade secrets LOL.

I posted a link on how to make it yourself by buying pure Paclobutrazol powder for $10 which was enough to make like 20 times what you just wasted your money on.

I never got anywhere with it in regards to tech info, never even saw a price. If it doesn't come with support from professionals, I don't buy. Get it? Give me the link and I'll look again. If it's bonafide, I'll buy it next round. I doubt if I'll ever need anymore of this stuff as it is an extremely effective PGR in very small doses. In fact, it stays active in soils for a very long time.

Instead you are so caught up in being right and that I and others must be wrong you cut off your nose to spite your face

In case you didn't notice, the first page contains testaments to the contrary. Now..... you and your buds keep playing your silly anti-Uncle Ben forum politics. I'll be trying to protect the folks and deliver the facts.

I report, you decide,
UB