LEDs Anyone? Advise Please

wyteberrywidow

wyteberrywidow

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newworldicon said:
I don't think that LED will ever be the same price as getting a 600 I'm afraid for 2 reasons, there always has and always will be much more tech involved in designing/making/producing LED compared to HID. And because when...yes when it is really perfected then it will become the industry standard, it makes sense that newer and more efficient tech will prevail. In essense nobody can ignore HID's ability to grow plants but at the same time nobody can ignore the energy consumption implications of HID including the ventilation which in turn is a prerequisite.

But I must ask this....when you say a 600 set up are you talking some crappy euro hood or are we talking a nice magnum XXXL because they can also be expensive...
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I got a crappy euro hood air cooled reflector that works great.Ive seen magnum reflectors and vertical reflectors that do wonders.

See i was looking at a couple led systems and most are recommended for 2x2 areas and my area is 4x4 so i would be damned to spend a 1000 dollars on lighting to cover that area when 200 does that area perfect and yield is basically doubled
 
newworldicon

newworldicon

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wyteberrywidow said:
I got a crappy euro hood air cooled reflector that works great.Ive seen magnum reflectors and vertical reflectors that do wonders.

See i was looking at a couple led systems and most are recommended for 2x2 areas and my area is 4x4 so i would be damned to spend a 1000 dollars on lighting to cover that area when 200 does that area perfect and yield is basically doubled
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Well I feel that I will be asking that exact question in the coming months. I have 2x flower tents that are 4x4 in which I have 600W HPS dutch poots. They cover the space very well. I grow 32 clones at a time, they are about 3 inches going in and finish about 12 inches and a perfect little single cola producing around 0.9 -1.0 oz per plant.

Because this is how I choose to grow then the 550W may be perfect for it considering the penetration is only 12 inches to the very bottom and there is enough space between each plant right to the bottom. I accept that trying to grow 3-4ft plants under the LED may be asking too much whereas the HPS could handle it much better.

The point being this....it really depends on how you are going to grow under those lights and I will soon be able to get a side by side grow 4 weeks apart mind you that will show some very telling results for my particular style of cultivation between a 550W LED and a 600W HPS.

By the way my LED cost $889 delivered to London, UK.
 
wyteberrywidow

wyteberrywidow

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newworldicon said:
Well I feel that I will be asking that exact question in the coming months. I have 2x flower tents that are 4x4 in which I have 600W HPS dutch poots. They cover the space very well. I grow 32 clones at a time, they are about 3 inches going in and finish about 12 inches and a perfect little single cola producing around 0.9 -1.0 oz per plant.

Because this is how I choose to grow then the 550W may be perfect for it considering the penetration is only 12 inches to the very bottom and there is enough space between each plant right to the bottom. I accept that trying to grow 3-4ft plants under the LED may be asking too much whereas the HPS could handle it much better.

The point being this....it really depends on how you are going to grow under those lights and I will soon be able to get a side by side grow 4 weeks apart mind you that will show some very telling results for my particular style of cultivation between a 550W LED and a 600W HPS.

By the way my LED cost $889 delivered to London, UK.
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Yeah the price of 4-5 600 watts..Well whatever works for you is what counts..I dont see myself spending that much not now, not in years to come.Esp if hps produce better results imo..
 
wyteberrywidow

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So far ive seen led grows but most are really small scale with some plants real small and people lying about weight which i find so funny!
I have way bigger plants,fatter,denser and they still say they got this and that but no video or cam on the scale while they weigh it thats why i only go by credible people.
It was one dude i think ledbudguy or something like that saying he got a pound and the pics he provided look more like 4 ounces
 
newworldicon

newworldicon

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wyteberrywidow said:
So far ive seen led grows but most are really small scale with some plants real small and people lying about weight which i find so funny!
I have way bigger plants,fatter,denser and they still say they got this and that but no video or cam on the scale while they weigh it thats why i only go by credible people.
It was one dude i think ledbudguy or something like that saying he got a pound and the pics he provided look more like 4 ounces
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I saw all of that, he has a website now dedicated to growing with LED. You should see Irishboy's grows, his avatar is a few buds almost the size of a 2ltr soda bottle he holds up to it. He's on here and on 420.

I will hook up an official thread once I have grown out the two rooms first. I will also use the same mom to grow out 64 clones of medi bud. 32 under each light. Be fair but it takes time to schedule in as my garden is perpetual, nothing ever stops. I'll PM if you like.
 
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Illumination said:
it is because they agree with my advice...not hating on you or leds just trying to share truth with you

Hope you locate what you are looking for

Namaste'
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Lady Ash:

"Illumination's" comment is right on the money. For starters I visited the local Hydroshop this past week. Through a handful of very sharp growers they all pointed me to this guy for when I needed "facts" and not B.S.

His shop actually sell's the Kessils (35W LED (looks like a spotlight)). I asked him point blank; "What are your thoughts on LED's? I see you sell the Kessils?"

Now this answer is from the guy who runs the shop . . . thus he is there to make money.

His answer: "Don't waste your money. The good LED lights (no chinese knock offs) are great for vegging. However they are no where's close to an HPS when it comes to Flowering. The technology is not there yet. For lettuce, parsley and that stuff they're fine. But for what I'm doing it's a waste of coin."

I wish the best of luck though with whatever you decide to do.

And BTW I'm not a "hater" or any other childish comment like that. I'm simply giving you an answer from a Hydrostore manager who's been successfully growing for over 15 years. And that actually has "LED's" for sale.

If a Master Race Car Mechanic who has numerous championships under his belt tell's you that some "Spectacular Miracle Brand" of Super Duper Synthetic Oil is crap . . . well I probably won't end up using that oil.


 
Lady Ash

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adinocr7 said:
Lady Ash:

"Illumination's" comment is right on the money. For starters I visited the local Hydroshop this past week. Through a handful of very sharp growers they all pointed me to this guy for when I needed "facts" and not B.S.

His shop actually sell's the Kessils (35W LED (looks like a spotlight)). I asked him point blank; "What are your thoughts on LED's? I see you sell the Kessils?"

Now this answer is from the guy who runs the shop . . . thus he is there to make money.

His answer: "Don't waste your money. The good LED lights (no chinese knock offs) are great for vegging. However they are no where's close to an HPS when it comes to Flowering. The technology is not there yet. For lettuce, parsley and that stuff they're fine. But for what I'm doing it's a waste of coin."

I wish the best of luck though with whatever you decide to do.

And BTW I'm not a "hater" or any other childish comment like that. I'm simply giving you an answer from a Hydrostore manager who's been successfully growing for over 15 years. And that actually has "LED's" for sale.

If a Master Race Car Mechanic who has numerous championships under his belt tell's you that some "Spectacular Miracle Brand" of Super Duper Synthetic Oil is crap . . . well I probably won't end up using that oil.


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:leaf:That's similar to the hydro shop guys I talked to. They too said the technology wasn't there yet.:leaf:
 
ChroniCDooM

ChroniCDooM

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Illumination said:
best advice I can give is to use another light source...not worth the money and lack performance

Hope it helps

Namaste'
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On my third grow with my Supernova 270W Enhanced Spectrum LED. May have been a little pricey but it is reliable and works killa. Don't care what the haters say bout LED! It works for me in veg and yes even in flower. Look up my first grow documented here on RIU. Lots of pics from seed to harvest. First grow was three autos that produced 5.2 oz. Of dried and cured Chronic! My opinion is you get what ya pay for. I didn't go cheap on my light. Actually I seen it in the 2010 Hightimes STASH awards as the best new LED technology. That's what sold me on it. Sold my double bass tama drumset to help finance my medicine cabinet. Just installed my co2 system today. Can't wait to see how the LED and the co2 work together. Not all LED lights suck! Mine definitely doesn't!
 
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cervezacorona

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Lady Ash said:
:leaf:I've been researching LED lights, one site says go with 1 watt bulbs others say go with 2-3 watt bulbs. What is true? Whats a reliable well made LED light brand, that is proven to work? I'm working with a tight budget and really like the benefits of going with cool running LEDs, over the high heat of other lights. Not to mention the electricity cost and extra cooling necessary with traditional lighting systems. I want to add a couple of panels when I go into flowering, to supplement my 8 4' T5's. Growing in a 4'9"x4'9"x6'5" grow-lab tent. Any advice on how many I'd need for good coverage?:leaf:
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I have a 90 watt LED, with 2 watt lights. I love it. And it was only $150. Best thing to do is ignore the people badmouthing LEDs.
I do not believe it will compare to 400 watt HPS like they claim, but watt for watt, IMO, it is better than HPS. Why? Yields are
good, I have seen more than 1gpw, and you do not need extra cooling and ventilation. And no ballasts. And they last longer. In my
experience, don't try to spread the light too thin. 5 x 5 like the place claims for one 90 watt LED, seems like a little much. 2 x 2 or
less is good. 30" x 30" at the most. For your area, I'd go with four 90 watt LEDs, for flower. You'll only need one or two for veg.
Any questions, feel free to ask.
 
wyteberrywidow

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Lady Ash said:
:leaf:That's similar to the hydro shop guys I talked to. They too said the technology wasn't there yet.:leaf:
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Which is true but ill wait for results to comment more.
@newworldicon-I ve seen irishboys grow and like i said the price for those systems is close to 1000 if not..On top of that the owner gave him that light for free to do a grow with it.
 
newworldicon

newworldicon

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wyteberrywidow said:
Which is true but ill wait for results to comment more.
@newworldicon-I ve seen irishboys grow and like i said the price for those systems is close to 1000 if not..On top of that the owner gave him that light for free to do a grow with it.
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Yeah I think the one's he was using were expensive but I must say that he did buy outright to start with, after his initial grows with them the guy relinquished some other units for him to use. But you should know that Irishboy has been dabling with LED for a long time and tried and failed with many others before these, the lesson is that he is using a lot of the past LED's and now the newest and you can see the improving results. Were you not impressed by the colas he grew out? seems unfair considering the size of them, they were defenitly at least 600-1000W buds bro....
 
wyteberrywidow

wyteberrywidow

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newworldicon said:
Yeah I think the one's he was using were expensive but I must say that he did buy outright to start with, after his initial grows with them the guy relinquished some other units for him to use. But you should know that Irishboy has been dabling with LED for a long time and tried and failed with many others before these, the lesson is that he is using a lot of the past LED's and now the newest and you can see the improving results. Were you not impressed by the colas he grew out? seems unfair considering the size of them, they were defenitly at least 600-1000W buds bro....
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They were good not really impressed as i seen bigger come from 600 or 1000 watts but yes they were impressive for leds..

What do you think grew this cola???


 

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