Hawaii Growers

[Cooter@666]

Once again our fearless leaders leave alot to be desired.....

Attack Cat?

 

[DelSlow]

Thanks Delslow- you wouldn't happen to live on Maui would you?

Haha no sorry. I live on the island so crowded that when you fart your neighbor can hear. I'm pretty sure you know which one I'm talking about lol.

 

[tardis]

So far this is the ONLY medicine which has taken away my severe nausea and increased my quality of life. I've taken all the top of the line pills for it. To say I have to suffer and be angry all the time when out and about because of my digestive issues seems to violate my civil rights... Oh well they do this I guess i'll have to go on disability and take money from the state like everyone else who loses the only medicine that works.

 

[DelSlow]

I've owned 2 bars here, and the liquor license is cheap- perhaps $600 a year, also pay an average of 1% liquor sales annually... The money goes to the unholy liquor commission that rules us- its's a bass-ackwards system filled with corruption- trust me...

lol even if someone was selling for recreational purposes, I don't understand the 25k a year to renew.

And why tax meds? If it's just sales tax, fine, but a separate weed tax??

 

[tardis]

In fact I would suggest we let all people know who suffer from pain and nausea that if we lose our ability to live productive lives we should all go for disability and every benefit under the sun. Why look to protect the economic future of a state that isn't looking out for our health and well being? Do everything in our legal right to be compensated for our loss of quality of life and liberty and happiness.

 

[tardis]

I just realized that without marijuana I wind up losing too much weight too quick causing serious health risk... Who would I sue to pay my hospital bills when my medicine is being withheld? New York attorney time The kind who get judges disbarred if they do something out of line with the law and love that rep!

 

[tardis]

Lots of posts I know but this really bothers me that the law is suddenly changing in a way that could cost me my life! I don't smoke I can't eat i fucking die. Thank god I can afford bloodthirsty attorneys, but shit I don't want to get sick and die cause these fools don't know their asses from a hole in the ground!

They take away your ability to stay healthy then here is info on how to get Disability so your quality of life doesn't have to suck too much. No medicine then take care of all of us state.

http://www.disabilitysecrets.com/disability-resources-hawaii.html
http://hawaii.gov/health/disability-services/neurotrauma/key-services-finance.html
http://hawaii.gov/labor/dcd

It is inevitable that you take away a safe medicine that works the people tax the state by ensuring their legal rights are upheld and they are compensated.

 

[Sheckster]

Bad news for Crohn's sufferers like myself...
Many of us with gastrointestinal issues are able to live some sort of normal life with the help of Marijuana and actually contribute to society instead of being a detractor....
I never saw this coming...

No way will I take Pentasa again... too many side effects like headaches..
Lialda wasn't much better...

Pain doesn't discriminate when it comes to age... no clue why Senator Green does...
Unfortunately this guy is a trauma surgeon who works in an Emergency Room and they see a lot of people die...
So they learn to become dis-attached emotionally and they stop seeing their clientele (society) as humanistic...

 

[stoneyburd]

we all need to call in and voice our opinion. I just called Rep. Yamane and left my testimony with his secretary, who said he will pass on my concerns to Rep. Yamane. The politicians CAN be reached just pick up the phone and dial, and elaborate on this list of disagreements with the current bill.

reposting from anherbman:

This morning I phoned all the House Conference Committee members and ask you to phone them, too. I asked each of the reps secretaries if anyone had phoned them to date and all of them said I was the first one they spoke to in regard to SB1458, SD2, HD3, so this is very very bad.

Please phone the House committee members that will frame this bill tomorrow and tell them:
1. We do not support the single dispensary site on Maui because it is unfair to the patients on the other islands.
2. We do not support the $20,000 licensing fee for dispensaries which will bore on the backs of the patients.
3. We do not support the $100 administrative fee for visiting out of state patients as this is an unusually high amount for patients who are only going to be here for a short time and still need to take their medicine.
4. Allow in this bill for patients to be able to transport their medicine from between the islands as many patients travel to Oahu for medical treatment.
5. Tell them that you support the bill passed in the Senate SB 1458 SD 2, or something broader than the House version .
6. Any other thing you think will benefit the patients.

Also, tell them to read the testimony submitted from previous committee meetings. We, the patients, know what will serve our needs and we need our elected officials to represents our best interests.

Here are the phone numbers of the representatives that will be in the conference committee meeting:

Of course (80

Area Code

Yamane 586-6150
Aquino 586-6520
Keith-Agaran 586-6210
Oshiro, M. 586-6200
Ito 586-8470
Riviere 586-6380

Good luck,

Andrea, Co - Chair

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[tardis]

Hi, We are the state and we have decided that from now on even though you are a law abiding citizen, you have to spend the rest of your life in sever pain, nausea, and bad mood. You didn't do anything wrong, we just feel that its important to make laws that ensure good people needlessly suffer horribly from now on. Even though it would be easy to fix we have to require you don't fix it and continue to suffer."

Thats what this story is saying to me... How is this legal for or Just...

 

[tardis]

I thought Doctors believed in "Do No harm." Do you know how many chrones patients and chronic nausea patients he is harming for the rest of their lives with this? This Senator Green needs his role as senator and his medical license pulled for the safety and well being of all Hawaii's people.

 

[pepperbelly]

Hi Folks -
Well I went to the latest conference cmtee mtg today on SB 1458, looked over the proposed bill, and IMHO it's getting worse and worse. As at the mtg. last week, Senator Green presented the Senate draft. He did not have copies for the other conferees so they didn't have much info to go on.

Here's what he said:
He is concerned about abuse of the program as demonstrated by all the young people who have registered, He said that 50% of those on the Big Island are under age 30 and 500 people on the Big Island are under 21. Said he intends to "clean up the law."

He wants DOH to create a single dispensary based on where their analysis shows the medical need is highest. He says it should focus on those with cancer, m.s., neuromuscular disorders. The bill would therefore amend the list of qualifying conditions by deleting severe pain, severe nausea. and Crohn's disease. There's a a 60 day grace period so that those w/ a current card whose condition is no longer eligible have 2 months before they have to turn in their card since they no longer qualify.[!!!]

He said there will be a significant licensing fee of about $30K, an out of state rate of $100, and it will not address the transportation issue which he feels is not a core issue. He said Public Safety & DOH would have to "collaborate". Under his bill, DOH licenses the single pilot program dispensary and PSD retains the patient registry.

Rep. Yamane, speaking for the House, said he wants to "continue the discussion" since it's gotten this far. Wants to discuss some more about PSD vs. DOH. If 2 year pilot goes well, we would look at data and then proceed from there. Said some areas would be problematic for a dispensary site like Weed and Seed zones.

The draft bill itself shows: the pilot program shall be established "no later than Aug. 7, 2012." The specific site for the pilot will be "designated by the Governor."

It still prohibits mmj from being transported out of the island where the "compassion center" is located. In addition to the initial licensing fee of $30K, there shall be an annual fee of $25 K and an annual renewal fee in the same amount.

- licensee must be a non-profit entity
- edibles etc shall be regulated by DOH & the federal Food and Drug Administration. Sen. Green said last week that the FDA reference is coming out. [They would be unable to take part due to the federal scheduling of cannabis.]
- in addition to regular sales tax, an additional 15%. tax shall be assessed on "gross proceeds of sales."
- facility no closer than 600 yards from schools.
- a task force to advise the dept. on drafting rules is still included [altho last week, the Senate said they were removing it.]
- "The pilot project shall cease to exist no later than 2 years after date of implementation, unless the legislature authorizes its continuation or expansion prior to the expiration of the pilot program."

So there, you have it folks. Is this better than nothing? Not in my opinion. I think the Senate has bend over backwards to appease the voiced concerns of law enforcement and the House.

The next meeting of the conference cmtee is Thursday at 1:30. I suggest that you contact Senator Green's office and let him know your thoughts.

There are ways in which this bill would be worse than the current situation since only patients on one island would have access AND the types of eligible conditions would be severely curtailed.
See: http://www.kitv.com/news/27682393/detail.html

Sengreen@capitol.hawaii.gov
ph; 586-9385
fax 586-9391.

Thanks for hanging in there.....
aloha-
pam

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Pamela G. Lichty, MPH
President
Drug Policy Forum of Hawai'i
P.O. Box 241042
Honolulu, HI 96824
Phone: 808 735-8001
Fax: 808 735-2971
Cell: 808 224-3056
pamelalichty@gmail.com
www.dpfhi.org



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Doesnt take long to figure out that these politicians are capable of flying this bill and the rest of the country piece by piece right into the ground.
damn shame

 

[tardis]

Does taking away the only safe effective cure for Severe Nausea, Chrones Disease, and Severe Pain constitute a Civil Rights Violation, and violate any Americans with Disabilities acts?
Hmmm
I think forcing someone to suffer needlessly violates our civil liberties.... Especially when they suffer a health disability..... This could be some supreme court shit right here.

Maybe next month they will make all elevators illegal and make sure all sidewalks have curbs so those in wheelchairs can't have access to their community either....

 

[Trichy Bastard]

lol even if someone was selling for recreational purposes, I don't understand the 25k a year to renew.

And why tax meds? If it's just sales tax, fine, but a separate weed tax??

Thanks Del u popped my +rep cherry here- Yeah I know where u mean... haha- buy your neighbors some beano... Well bro, the truth is that there is only 1 bill on the books for possible passing right now due to the economy- and thats the MM one- why? Because of the possible tax dollars it can generate- I'd be fine with taxes as long as they just pass it and get somewhere- the taxes are our friend right now because it's the ONLY reason it's being considered unfortunately... I am actually considering if I might be able to somehow be a proprietor of the dispensary if they do make it here on Maui.

 

[Trichy Bastard]

Hey coot- I used to do a tiki bar- I love that Ryden painting- it's up at Tiki's bar and grille at the aston too... I ended up getting a couple cool Thor paintings- but that one is my all time favorite.. I'm gonna +rep u just for that- lol.

 

[pepperbelly]

Does taking away the only safe effective cure for Severe Nausea, Chrones Disease, and Severe Pain constitute a Civil Rights Violation, and violate any Americans with Disabilities acts?
Hmmm
I think forcing someone to suffer needlessly violates our civil liberties.... Especially when they suffer a health disability..... This could be some supreme court shit right here.

Maybe next month they will make all elevators illegal and make sure all sidewalks have curbs so those in wheelchairs can't have access to their community either....

no exxageration there ....the state is way behind in ADA standards....and get tons of laws suits / violations .
shit the building code are way outta whack as it is .... i think the big island is runnin 1991 ubc , oahu 2003 ibc , maui 1997 junk , kauai is 2003 ibc ... far from being organized ..same page ? ...not even the same book and this is public safety ?

 

[tardis]

no exxageration there ....the state is way behind in ADA standards....and get tons of laws suits / violations .
shit the building code are way outta whack as it is .... i think the big island is runnin 1991 ubc , oahu 2003 ibc , maui 1997 junk , kauai is 2003 ibc ... far from being organized ..same page ? ...not even the same book and this is public safety ?

My only logical conclusion why a doctor would cause harm and force people to take drugs that are much more harmful for their lives to deal with these disabilities is that he may be getting kickbacks from hard drug pharmaceutical companies. Can we have someone look into his income being his role serving the public good? I can't think of any rational reason why a doctor would want to force otherwise safe patients onto dangerous drugs for the same ailments...

 

[Cooter@666]

Hey coot- I used to do a tiki bar- I love that Ryden painting- it's up at Tiki's bar and grille at the aston too... I ended up getting a couple cool Thor paintings- but that one is my all time favorite.. I'm gonna +rep u just for that- lol.

Right on Man!....I've seen that Ryden piece at Tiki's....have you listened to the Lex Baxter CD? its one of my all time fav's

 

[DelSlow]

My only logical conclusion why a doctor would cause harm and force people to take drugs that are much more harmful for their lives to deal with these disabilities is that he may be getting kickbacks from hard drug pharmaceutical companies. Can we have someone look into his income being his role serving the public good? I can't think of any rational reason why a doctor would want to force otherwise safe patients onto dangerous drugs for the same ailments...

When it comes to politicians, kickbacks are always the #1 reason for going against the people. That's my theory anyway lol.

 

[Trichy Bastard]

Right on Man!....I've seen that Ryden piece at Tiki's....have you listened to the Lex Baxter CD? its one of my all time fav's

Yeah- we used to play ultra lounge.. Small world! I love anything TiKi-esque... I'd sure kill for a couple of those Ryden paintings...