True "White Widow" in stock at The Attitude

Green Inferno

Green Inferno

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Have you tried the original version ever? I've only had GHS version. Is the BW better?
I just ordered WW too, I wish I would've waited a few days, I could have got the BW.
 
Beansly

Beansly

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It's kind of a long story but basically the breeder for GHSC in their golder years in the 90's was Shantibaba. Shanti is responsible for White Russian, White Widow, Great White Shark, Neville's Haze and El Nino (maybe more), all the strains that made GHSC famous.
Well one day, Arjan (current owner of GHSC) and Shanti had a falling out and the went their separate ways.
Thing is, Shanti is the owner of the original parents of all the strains I mentioned, so IDK what GHSC is selling, but it's not the original of any of those strains.
Shanti started Mr. Nice Seeds with Howard Marks and renamed his strains, Great White Shark=Shark Shock, White Widow=Black Widow, El Nino=El Nina, Neville's Haze is the same, and sell only regular sees in 18ct packs so your sure to find a keeper.
I have smoke white widow. The taste is hashy, peppery and spicy but it's really strong!
When I bought I was like, "aw this is any old strain, I wanted some og kush..." but as soon as I smoked the first gram I went back an bought a quarter cause I new it was the bomb. Sure enough, it was sold out the next day. Good luck.
Beanz:leaf:
 
RoloTomassi

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Beansly said:
It's kind of a long story but basically the breeder for GHSC in their golder years in the 90's was Shantibaba. Shanti is responsible for White Russian...
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Well, half responsible in the sense that White Russian is a cross between BW and AK47, but Simon and Serious Seeds are credited as the breeders of White Russian.
 
Green Inferno

Green Inferno

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I liked the GHS WW, but I've had better. I will definitely order some BW on my next order.
I ordered 6 strains this last time, from 2 different places, that should keep me busy for a few months.
The WW I ordered was Dutch Passions version.
 
Beansly

Beansly

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RoloTomassi said:
Well, half responsible in the sense that White Russian is a cross between BW and AK47, but Simon and Serious Seeds are credited as the breeders of White Russian.
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Your right, I'm sorry, I meant White Rhino.
Sorry for the mix up.

Green Inferno said:
I liked the GHS WW, but I've had better. I will definitely order some BW on my next order.
I ordered 6 strains this last time, from 2 different places, that should keep me busy for a few months.
The WW I ordered was Dutch Passions version.
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If I were you and I wanted it badly, I'd get it now.
Black Widow is always out for some reason.
I guess a lot of people like it.

Here's a little insight into the man.
Scott Blakey A.K.A. Shantibaba
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i85wn9MmLNY
 
Beansly

Beansly

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Here's is an old ICmag post that was deleted from the forum for some reason. Probably because Green House is on of their sponsors
(if you feel like leaving RIU somtimes because of the crazy moderators and the censorship [and beleive me, I'm with you] don't fool yourself. All the forums care about is the bottom line and they will censor your posts if they go against it).
It's Shanti telling the the truth about O Haze & The Haze Bros (if you know that story), Sam the Skunkman being a DEA agent, and the state of the cannabis seed industry and the scourge that is feminized seeds and the supposed "breeders" of them.
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Now to clear up the story and myths that go around, due mainly to people in the industry(other seed companies) who are more interested in making money than giving information that is correct. Haze brothers worked on the Haze’s and they did get to Sam and Nevil(owner of THE SEEDBANK…and then Ben Dronkers retailed Nevils strains under the label of SENSI SEEDBANK after Nevil had some jail time in Australia .Nevil was the first seed bank or company to exist in Holland so his legendary strains such as Northern lights 5, Ultra skunk , Nl5 Haze, Early pearl , Early girl, Shiva Skunk….and so on became the basis for a lot of offspring seed companies that followed in the 90s.

In fact companies like Dutch passion and Nirvana began by copying Nevils seeds from the F1 seed…but most of them would never say so as they are Dutch business men who see dollars first and not genetics….Sam and Nevil use to work a bit on strains together but when it was revealed that Sam and his crew of Americans in Holland all were part of informants for the DEA in America on a radio program in Holland they split to the UK to do other things. Sam never started or owned a seed company so his claim to all the strains that became famous years ago are not really warranted. He did however do a lot of work on Skunk and shared some seed with Nevil, but as you know for breeding you cannot just take any plant and make a strain like Greenhouse does nowadays. I was working in Australia on varieties like Mullumbimby madness and Thai and Columbia strains of sativas, as well as a lot of original Afghan stock. When I came to Holland in 1990 with my seed stock I linked up with Nevil , and used Arjan’s coffeeshops to introduce strains of cannabis and a little later the seed versions, but we never gave any of the plants to him.Arjan just sold seed produced by Nevil and myself. I co founded the Greenhouse Seed Company with Arjan in 1994(unlike Arjan’s claim it began in 1985 from him alone…he was angry that I sold my half share to him and left in 1998 to Switzerland and to open Mr Nice Seedbank with Nevil and Howard…but I was and still am the sole owner of MNS). In 1995 I came out with the seed version of White widow, then White Rhino 1996 and White Shark 1997…el nino1998 , Himalayan gold and so on. Nevil and I co worked on some Haze strains during the early to mid 90s of which Super Silver Haze and Mango Haze were two strains that eventually came out of this work.The seed was sold under the Greenhouse Seed co label but Nevil held those plants and only sold the seed of these varieties as well as the weed version that won all those awards.So as to help Arjan sell the correct weed we set up our own independent grow rooms and produced those weeds and Arjan bought them all so as no other Dutch shop could compete. In those days the Greenhouse sold the correct weed and seed.But in 1998 when I won all the cups with Nevil(including Shantibaba’s Hash for best nederhash) I was givien a better offer by a Swiss group to set up a medical cannabis farm and distil oil…so I sold my share to Arjan and left. A lot of people were shocked as they thought we were a solid unit but actually Arjan was over the top already with his success and his ego was too much to listen to and considering the Swiss thing had unlimited possibility where as Holland was stuck at being glorified dope dealers….as it still is today. Medical was more my interest.

I took all my plants which made the seeds, especially my fathers and Nevil put all his plants with me so together we had a library of all genetics possible in the cannabis world. Nevil soon sold his part in one of the coffeeshops and had a big problem with Arjan too…but it took another year or two for them to split. Take a look at the High times Cannabis cup after 1998, so 1999 onwards….only while Nevil was there did they win with SSH, but that soon left with Nevil and Arjan even got caught cheating or trying to bribe people to win cup…so was disqualified one year.

A lot of stories exist about the Widow family and a lot of people had access to some of the female versions I left in Holland and soon began claiming to be the creature etc….but the original seed versions that won the first cup in 1995 came from my plants not anyone else’s. Till today we have all the plants in original form. Franco, the Italian working for Arjan now does not even know the original plants as he did not come on the scene till after I left. I have nothing against him at all but he is paid by Arjan andis part of that show so believes what ever is feed to him. The GHSco tried to get things going by buying some seed Nev and I had for sale from a guy in Holland during this time. The guy called me up and told me Arjan bought a few thousand euros of this seed and a year later came out with seed under the well known names he had used previously. The growers could not know this until they grew it out and considering a lot of people never grew it before they did not even know what they were looking at and still do not.So many seed companies use the names like White widow but the genetics are all different. I wrote out the true origins of the plant and everyone copied that so it looks like everyone is selling the same genetics but it is they are all selling a name that sells…nothing more.Ask Franco to show you a photo of the original parents that make the widow…he cannot as he has never seen them.The Ghsco linked up with others like Ingemar who claims to be the widow breeder but he is only a grower and he never came out with a seed version until after I made it in 1995. But all the facts have become mixed and people try to confuse the grower by claiming things that no one else can prove to be correct or wrong…as there are no rules in the seed game since all cannabis is actually not recognized in the official plant world as sub species due to it being drug related. So in actual fact no one owns nothing…even all the trademarked R after the names you see from various seed companies are all bullshit as they are not really able to protect any names as the plants do not officially exist…but that is another story.

In the late 90s I gave plants to Soma, and he began a seed company a year later too…mixing his skunks to my males. This has occurred many times to me just look at the Spanish seed companies and 10 years ago…none existed until I went there in 1995 and gave away 3 kilos of seed to growers via Canamo magazine….but that is another story too.

Now the female seed story saved a lot of seed companies who never really breed seed as you only need a F1 female and chemicals….no need for a male…..so go figure why companies like the Greenhouse or Dinafem etc…set up selling female seed…..the money the demand and not really needing skill with males are all prerequisites to make a female seed. It is therefore obvious to me why Arjan (who is a very marketing person nothing more) and Franco come out every year with a new name plant…they buy an original F1 seed and donk it with silver nitrates and there you have there products…but now adays there are so many doing it it is incredible. Even companies have called me to tell me they feminised a clone of Critical mass in spain and call it critical plus….but say nothing more than thanks. So actually I really do not care any longer about other companies and what they say. We at MNS sell the real versions that won the original awards and made the legends…nowadays it is all confused and everyone is going feminised…except MNS. We exist so people who like to breed will be able to with the original true breed plants that come from selection and natural collection from traveling around the world. As they say, an empty barrel makes a louder noise…and we are full.

ShantiBaba
 
Green Inferno

Green Inferno

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Beansly said:
If I were you and I wanted it badly, I'd get it now.
Black Widow is always out for some reason.
I guess a lot of people like it.

Here's a little insight into the man.
Scott Blakey A.K.A. Shantibaba
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i85wn9MmLNY
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I probably will before it's out of stock. I waited too long on the C99, and now those are out of stock.
I had to settle for C99 X A11. I want a pure sativa also, so I guess I'll hit Attitude up again, their prices
are decent enough, and a little over $90 for 18 BW seeds isn't bad at all. Thats like $5 a seed.

Any recommendations on a pure sativa?
 
Beansly

Beansly

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THESkunkMunkie said:
Shanti & Nev are my inspiration, and I one day hope to have my own op on the scale these guys do, Shanti if you read this mate I wanna work at your place bro, lol.
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I was watching a docu-diary of Howard Marks the other day and he said hes received literally tens of thousands of applications for Harvard graduates, to Doctors, to street guys. He graduated from Oxford himself you know. I believe he has a Masters in Biology if not his Doctorate, I'm not sure at the moment. He tried to run for office once in England. I'm not sure for what position and I'm not gonna embarrass myself guessing. I just think it's funny. Like Donald Trump running here, if the Don had a Doctorate...lol

I suggest you watch both of these all the way through;
Here's the docu-journal I was talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyLzhM0aHb0

Here's the Howard Marks movie "Mr. Nice" that didn't come out in the states.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrscBWfQhno
 
Pipe Dream

Pipe Dream

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I have read this before but this really stands out to me.
We exist so people who like to breed will be able to with the original true breed plants that come from selection and natural collection from traveling around the world. As they say, an empty barrel makes a louder noise…and we are full.
If that's truly how he feels, than why does there seem to be so much resentment in regards to people breeding their seeds? Maybe that's the conclusion he came to and is coming to terms with that but, how come he says people can breed with original true breed plants if he admitted that they are f1s earlier in regards to the hacks? Is there any information about what filial stage mr nice's strains are or am I right to assume that his offerings are f1s and that the only true breeding plants are his original parents?
 
sambo020482

sambo020482

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Beansly said:
I was watching a docu-diary of Howard Marks the other day and he said hes received literally tens of thousands of applications for Harvard graduates, to Doctors, to street guys. He graduated from Oxford himself you know. I believe he has a Masters in Biology if not his Doctorate, I'm not sure at the moment. He tried to run for office once in England. I'm not sure for what position and I'm not gonna embarrass myself guessing. I just think it's funny. Like Donald Trump running here, if the Don had a Doctorate...lol

I suggest you watch both of these all the way through;
Here's the docu-journal I was talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyLzhM0aHb0

Here's the Howard Marks movie "Mr. Nice" that didn't come out in the states.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrscBWfQhno
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the movie is shite m8 not a touch on the book, i went to go see 1 of his shows/talks a few years ago the bloke was sooooo stoned ya couldnt understand a word he was mumbling in that welsh accent lol every1 was just skinning up n smoking in there that was bout the best bit cause like i say you couldnt understand a word he said lol
 
sambo020482

sambo020482

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it does show tho that advertising and marketing really do work cause you will find a shitload more nivarna and ghs grows on riu and all the weed sites than you will mns grows lol

i have the critical mass and also got a pack of shit, gonna get the mango haze soon.
 
Beansly

Beansly

RIU Bulldog
Pipe Dream said:
I have read this before but this really stands out to me.
We exist so people who like to breed will be able to with the original true breed plants that come from selection and natural collection from traveling around the world. As they say, an empty barrel makes a louder noise…and we are full.
If that's truly how he feels, than why does there seem to be so much resentment in regards to people breeding their seeds? Maybe that's the conclusion he came to and is coming to terms with that but, how come he says people can breed with original true breed plants if he admitted that they are f1s earlier in regards to the hacks? Is there any information about what filial stage mr nice's strains are or am I right to assume that his offerings are f1s and that the only true breeding plants are his original parents?
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THE ONLY TRUE BREEDING PARENTS OF THESE STRAINS BELONG TO SHANTIBABA OF MNS.
Yes you are right to assume this.
Say I create a strain and I sell seeds through your business.
We may grow the plants together and sell the seeds together
but I never have to show you the parents of the strain.
The only thing you ever get your hand on is the outcome. The "baby". Never the parents.
Breeders are religious about this. Without the parents, they're nothing.

Arjan knows that White Widow = Brazialian Sativa x South Indian Indica, but that's it.
He doesn't know the exact phenos shanti chose, he didn't do all the work of growing
tens of thousands of plants and carefully selecting the best ones.
Anyone can slam together a Brazilian Sativa and a South Indian Indica, and get something
close to White Widow but there's only one White Widow.
 
Beansly

Beansly

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sambo020482 said:
the movie is shite m8 not a touch on the book, i went to go see 1 of his shows/talks a few years ago the bloke was sooooo stoned ya couldnt understand a word he was mumbling in that welsh accent lol every1 was just skinning up n smoking in there that was bout the best bit cause like i say you couldnt understand a word he said lol
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The movie isn't Hollywood gold that's for sure...lol
But for an amateur weed historian like myself it's a
valuable resource.
 
Brick Top

Brick Top

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Beansly said:
For those of you who buy white widow seeds from anywhere but Mr. Nice Seeds (even Green House), your not getting the real one. The real white widow is called "Black Widow" now and is sold exclusively my MNS. Here's the links;

http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=1232
http://www.mrnice.nl/dhtml/strains.php?id=16

Beanz:leaf:
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Thanks for the info that has already been known for MANY YEARS by anyone who is not a puppy or a bubble-gummer or just brain-dead.
 
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