Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

[mr.smileyface]

i think its the fact that your running dyna grow with veg nutes. The first two weeks im always feeding low and with veg/bloom nutes. You know the three part deal.

 

[rosecitypapa]

It's nothing I'm concerned with but those are the signs that feeding levels may have been a touch high. I'm normally feeding between 800-850 and after mixing my last res, I was closer to 900 with Connoisseur and koolbloom. I diluted it down as much as I could but my res isn't that big. I've already made a tweak to my mls/gallon for this evening's res change so it'll be back down to the 800-850 range.

Just for kicks there are two afghani's I have in DWC buckets started with DG Grow 7-9-5 @ 600ppm. I noticed that overall the plants looked a little yellow. I changed it out to Foliage Pro 9-3-6 @ 1050ppm. My water starts at 40ppm. They started to green up overall slightly and the new growth was nice and green. However, the older leaves were still getting a little yellow.

Not to be thwarted in greening up my plants, I doubled the ppms of one afghani to 2000 ppms (EC 2.0) with 9-3-6 and the other I used cal/mag to double the ppms to 2000 ppms (EC 2.0). After a week, the one with the cal/mag addition looks greener overall the other still green at the growing tips but the older leaves still yellowing. However with both plants, no sign of nutrient burn in the foliage from this change. I did notice leaf tip burn on some older leaves but that was before this experiment. I think it was my negligence on keeping my pH in check. I'm not certain leaf tip burn comes from too great a concentration of overall nutrients but more from one in particular, maybe calcium, any ideas?

I'm thinking that the overall yellowing was a combination of lower nitrogen in the 7-9-5 product used during veg and that the plants have been out in the greenhouse with low nighttime temps. (50's sometimes 40's this past month)

 

[homebrewer]

Have you always run such low EC values in ebb&flood? It would explain the problems I had in E&F earlier in the year then!

Nope. I fed like an idiot at first thinking 'pushing plants is advanced growing'. I was wrong. I could feed at 2.0 EC for the first 4 weeks of flower without seeing much harm, however, salt buildups in the medium along with high feeding levels all around took their toll and by the final weeks, I had lots of crispy leaves and a nutrient smell in the buds.

These plants can take a lot of abuse in regards to feeding levels and just because you're not seeing any damage now doesn't mean you're not hurting yourself in the weeks to come.

Just for kicks there are two afghani's I have in DWC buckets started with DG Grow 7-9-5 @ 600ppm. I noticed that overall the plants looked a little yellow. I changed it out to Foliage Pro 9-3-6 @ 1050ppm. My water starts at 40ppm. They started to green up overall slightly and the new growth was nice and green. However, the older leaves were still getting a little yellow.

Not to be thwarted in greening up my plants, I doubled the ppms of one afghani to 2000 ppms (EC 2.0) with 9-3-6 and the other I used cal/mag to double the ppms to 2000 ppms (EC 2.0). After a week, the one with the cal/mag addition looks greener overall the other still green at the growing tips but the older leaves still yellowing. However with both plants, no sign of nutrient burn in the foliage from this change. I did notice leaf tip burn on some older leaves but that was before this experiment. I think it was my negligence on keeping my pH in check. I'm not certain leaf tip burn comes from too great a concentration of overall nutrients but more from one in particular, maybe calcium, any ideas?

I'm thinking that the overall yellowing was a combination of lower nitrogen in the 7-9-5 product used during veg and that the plants have been out in the greenhouse with low nighttime temps. (50's sometimes 40's this past month)

The 7-9-5 works great for me and the plants never show signs of needing more than 600ppms or about .85 EC.

 

[sparkafire]

HB, Whats your thoughts on using additives with DG that are supposed to be used tward the last half of flower? I am going into the 5th week and man I just cant see spending the money if there is no difference in crystals or size. If you do recommend using one which one?

Thanks

 

[homebrewer]

HB, Whats your thoughts on using additives with DG that are supposed to be used tward the last half of flower? I am going into the 5th week and man I just cant see spending the money if there is no difference in crystals or size. If you do recommend using one which one?

Thanks

You don't need any NPK type additives but a few additives that I have sitting around that seem to have a positive ascetic influence on the final product (extra resin, more aroma, etc.) are florablend and floralicious plus from GH. They're not too expensive but it's up to you to determine if they're worth the cost.

 

[igalig]

HB-Thanks for the thread! Lots of great info in here. Just a couple questions (sorry im a newbie but trying hard to get the right info^^):

1- This grow is hydro...have you ever grown the DG products in soil? If so, what type of results? Im just starting and think soil is the best starting point for me.

2- Just to make sure I understand the DG grow is grow 7-9-5, bloom 3-12-6, mag-pro and pro-tekt? anything im missing?

 

[homebrewer]

1- This grow is hydro...have you ever grown the DG products in soil? If so, what type of results? Im just starting and think soil is the best starting point for me.

DG works great in 'soil' but I use sunshine mix #4 or #8, whichever one is just a peat-based medium with no nutrients. I used to use Pure Blend with good results but DG was easier to use and yielded more.

2- Just to make sure I understand the DG grow is grow 7-9-5, bloom 3-12-6, mag-pro and pro-tekt? anything im missing?

Those are the only DG products I use.

 

[Trichy Bastard]

It seems obvious where this is going to end up... Subbed nonetheless... I lept before I looked with the fog HB- so now I gotta go do a full HP aero setup to satisfy my tinkering hobby ... I will be using your DG ratios as a starting point (albeit less ppms)- so hopefully once up and running I'll have some DG in True aero results to report soon once all my pumps and accumulators show up...

 

[rosecitypapa]

Nope. I fed like an idiot at first thinking 'pushing plants is advanced growing'. I was wrong. I could feed at 2.0 EC for the first 4 weeks of flower without seeing much harm, however, salt buildups in the medium along with high feeding levels all around took their toll and by the final weeks, I had lots of crispy leaves and a nutrient smell in the buds.

These plants can take a lot of abuse in regards to feeding levels and just because you're not seeing any damage now doesn't mean you're not hurting yourself in the weeks to come.

The 7-9-5 works great for me and the plants never show signs of needing more than 600ppms or about .85 EC.

Good to know! Thanks for sharing that tip, saved me some time, some headache and a future harvest! It was important for me to do, realizing that mj does have a bit of tolerance in feeding concentrations.

 

[iRevolution]

funny, i've never even heard of Dyna Gro until now. Good comparison, sub'd for sure. Great work man!

 

[burrr]

I'm still looking good at day 20, running dynagrow grow and bloom at 1.0 EC
PH is stable. super stoked on this round! thanks, HB

 

[homebrewer]

I'm still looking good at day 20, running dynagrow grow and bloom at 1.0 EC
PH is stable. super stoked on this round! thanks, HBView attachment 1631765

Plants don't get much healthier than that, well done!

 

[insomnia47]

just pick up the DG line, grow, bloom and protekt fed it to some bhut jalokia peppers in hydro buckets. the difference was over night, they look much better now! time to test it on the real crops now

 

[J. Smoker]

It takes a whole hell of a lot to get me to comment on this here forum but, I have got to give credit where it is due. HB you got it going on with the dyna-gro. Seems like you got it geared in. I just started using dyna-gro after seeing the difference between it and agricultural organics (yellow bottles) and let me tell you, night and day difference. Not to mention, everything is in one bottle. Keep it up and can't wait to see the final results.

 

[I dont know]

It takes a whole hell of a lot to get me to comment on this here forum but, I have got to give credit where it is due. HB you got it going on with the dyna-gro. Seems like you got it geared in. I just started using dyna-gro after seeing the difference between it and agricultural organics (yellow bottles) and let me tell you, night and day difference. Not to mention, everything is in one bottle. Keep it up and can't wait to see the final results.

So you used the yellow bottles? And didn't like the results compared to dyna gro's?

Welcome aboard the dyna-gro ship lol


HB glad your finally doing a comparison against advanced products which everyone seems to talk so highly of. I know dyna-gro wont let's us down

 

[burrr]

I gotta know!, what is in dynagrow that makes it out perform GH and AN? is it simply the NPK ratios? better chelation of micro's, is it because dynagrow has 3 more trace elements that others don't have. ancient chinese secret, huh.

 

[homebrewer]

I gotta know!, what is in dynagrow that makes it out perform GH and AN? is it simply the NPK ratios? better chelation of micro's, is it because dynagrow has 3 more trace elements that others don't have. ancient chinese secret, huh.

I'm not calling a winner yet in this comparison. Should DynaGro 'win', I'd credit the more desirable NPK ratio along with the fact that it includes all other essential minerals that plants need. Despite what some of the fert companies tell us, there are no secrets in these bottles that will make any substantial difference that aren't required to be listed on the back of the product.

 

[EmptyWords]

I'm not calling a winner yet in this comparison. Should DynaGro 'win', I'd credit the more desirable NPK ratio along with the fact that it includes all other essential minerals that plants need. Despite what some of the fert companies tell us, there are no secrets in these bottles that will make any substantial difference that aren't required to be listed on the back of the product.

After seeing what you have said and seeing your results with dyna gro i think i am going to give it a try. I have been researching different nutes today and i currently run sensi with big bud, and bud candy but i want to try something else. I tried gh flora series with bigbud and bud candy and it seemed like gh had better smoke. Sensi has some pretty huge ph fluctuation for me but that could be because i only use 8 gallons of solution. I want to try something new for my new strains showing up soon "sannies jack and jack berry" and also continue my OG #18 for a comparison to previous grows. Do you have some recommendations for some additives to run? I was thinking of getting some mag pro and possibly trying the rest of my big bud and bud candy just for shits and giggles. I run aero and i am looking to try to increase my yields. I run 2000w and get about 2 pound harvests which i am good with but i would like to try to go for the 1 gram per watt level for the first time.
EDIT.
I think I am just going to try dyna bloom, mag pro and silica blast and see how it goes. I already have silica blast so i might as well use it and i will probably ditch the AN stuff, maybe just use bud candy.

 

[homebrewer]

Do you have some recommendations for some additives to run?

Magpro if you're using RO water and protekt no matter what your water source is.

... and possibly trying the rest of my big bud and bud candy just for shits and giggles.

I would suggest you do not use those with DynaGro, I promise you will do more harm than good.

I run 2000w and get about 2 pound harvests which i am good with but i would like to try to go for the 1 gram per watt level for the first time.

On a less-than-average grow, I'll get a pound from a 600 watter. I'm not bragging but you can definitely do better than 1 pound per 1000.

EDIT.
I think I am just going to try dyna bloom, mag pro and silica blast and see how it goes. I already have silica blast so i might as well use it and i will probably ditch the AN stuff, maybe just use bud candy

I'd highly suggest you get the grow as well as the bloom and use them together in the flower cycle. 3-12-6 doesn't keep any of my strains green until harvest. Again, I'd suggest against ANY other NPK additives when using DG.

 

[MasterS]

So HB on your less than average you get 1.34g/Watt. That's nice, I always thought 1g/1W was the goal for most. You obviously have passed that, so do you have a different goal?