Dave's 2nd Grow - LSD in Bubble/DWC with Fogger

[daveroller]

Finally recuperated from my infection enough to dig out my good camera and take a few photos of my plant. Didn't notice until I looked at the pics that she's got some trichs growing. Take a look:


The tentacles on the flowers are actually white, not yellow. The lights probably make them look that way.

I'm so glad that she survived my hospital stay. My wife did a great job keeping her alive.

Too bad the plant is still growing out of control, but I'm not sure what to do from here. Any suggestions would be welcome.

 

[lordjin]

Finally recuperated from my infection enough to dig out my good camera and take a few photos of my plant. Didn't notice until I looked at the pics that she's got some trichs growing. Take a look:
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The tentacles on the flowers are actually white, not yellow. The lights probably make them look that way.

I'm so glad that she survived my hospital stay. My wife did a great job keeping her alive.

Too bad the plant is still growing out of control, but I'm not sure what to do from here. Any suggestions would be welcome.

Hey, good to have you back. You both made it. Hope you're doing as well as your plant.

edit:
If you're really concerned about those tall branches touching the light, You can still bend it at a good space about four our five nodes down. Tie a counter pull string on a lower part anchoring the opposite of the bend you're doing. Then bend away. You'll see that lying them down will make all the buds on the nodes mature at a more equal light level increasing yield. Don't worry about making a criss-cross mess. Remove a few leaves if you have to, but use you're common sense on that and don't go crazy. Looks like you have good vigor, your plant should recover even if you pinch the stems without breaking them. Pinching does make the buds grow stronger and bigger on the pinched branch imo.

 

[dajosh42069]

Move it to where there's more room and find out how much bud you can yield?

 

[dajosh42069]

Hey, good to have you back. You both made it. Hope you're doing as well as your plant.

edit:
If you're really concerned about those tall branches touching the light, You can still bend it at a good space about four our five nodes down. Tie a counter pull string on a lower part anchoring the opposite of the bend you're doing. Then bend away. You'll see that lying them down will make all the buds on the nodes mature at a more equal light level increasing yield. Don't worry about making a criss-cross mess. Remove a few leaves if you have to, but use you're common sense on that and don't go crazy. Looks like you have good vigor, your plant should recover even if you pinch the stems without breaking them. Pinching does make the buds grow stronger and bigger on the pinched branch imo.

Whoa now...
I believe your talking about Super Cropping, and that should only be done in veg really...Even if your not breaking the branch, your still stressing it out to do that.
Same with LST, (Low Stress Training) which is tying down branches, or bending them down. Very stressful. Unless he has super stable proven genetics, no one can say that the plant won't hermie from the excess stress. I wouldn't want to do either of those things at this stage...
But I guess if you have no where else you can put it...cause she will put on weight and height in flower.

And the leaves are a touchy thing. Yes you can remove some, but as he said, go easy, she needs those to breath, and to take in sunlight. The fan leaves are how the plant transpires. Remove to many, the plant will suffer.
You have a pretty big lady there though, so she could afford to lose some...but I PERSONALLY wouldn't take more then 10 or so at the most.
That's just me though, everyone has their own ways.

 

[lordjin]

Whoa now...
I believe your talking about Super Cropping, and that should only be done in veg really...Even if your not breaking the branch, your still stressing it out to do that.
Same with LST, (Low Stress Training) which is tying down branches, or bending them down. Very stressful. Unless he has super stable proven genetics, no one can say that the plant won't hermie from the excess stress. I wouldn't want to do either of those things at this stage...
But I guess if you have no where else you can put it...cause she will put on weight and height in flower.

And the leaves are a touchy thing. Yes you can remove some, but as he said, go easy, she needs those to breath, and to take in sunlight. The fan leaves are how the plant transpires. Remove to many, the plant will suffer.
You have a pretty big lady there though, so she could afford to lose some...but I PERSONALLY wouldn't take more then 10 or so at the most.
That's just me though, everyone has their own ways.

What you say isn't incorrect. But tell me how that solves his problem of branches touching the light? You're talking about absolute perfect conditions where the plant is pampered and not stressed at all. Of course that is preferable, but when you encounter problems like out of control stretch, you have to do something at some risk otherwise you're just letting your plant grow into the light. And letting it grow right into the light without doing anything isn't stress on the plant, I suppose?

Edit:
I've bent, pinched, broken branches... just about any destructive anti-height measure you can think of, I've done...all well into flower. I've never seen a hermie.

 

[dajosh42069]

Then YOU must have had good genetics. And if you read the post before responding, you would see I included "But I guess if you have no where else you can put it...cause she will put on weight and height in flower."

Basically, i'm saying, that I wouldn't wanna do that. But if he has NO choice, then he has no choice. It doesn't mean his plant WILL hermie. It just means he's increasing his chances of it happening.

 

[lordjin]

Then YOU must have had good genetics. And if you read the post before responding, you would see I included "But I guess if you have no where else you can put it...cause she will put on weight and height in flower."

Basically, i'm saying, that I wouldn't wanna do that. But if he has NO choice, then he has no choice. It doesn't mean his plant WILL hermie. It just means he's increasing his chances of it happening.

I didn't have particularly special genetics. What you have to consider is all the factors the plant is getting, not just one stressful factor or that. If the plant is being well cared for like Dave's, it is more resilient to stress... Plain and simple. And hydroponically grown plants are more resistent to stress and damage than soil, so Dave is doing well in that regard too.

You tore down my suggestion pretty good but without a real alternative other than 'move it to a bigger space?' I'm thinking if he had a bigger space he could use, this wouldn't even be a problem.

This subject is close to my heart because I had a mad stretch problem in my last grow. The Plat OGK was sativa dominant and grew way past the light. I had nothing to lose so I broke all the branches to a horizontal right angle. I was worried, cuz if anything is gonna shock a plant into herm, it's what I did. But instead of herm, I ended up with 8.25 ounces of bud.

 

[dajosh42069]

And that's awesome, that plant looks beautiful btw. And i agree 100%. Dave is doing amazing at this, with the fogger, and the healthyness
And it's good to look at the big picture, yes. I however am not a fan of stress. In any form. The less stress OVERALL, the better things are for your baby.
As I said dude, I'm not saying it WILL herm, i'm saying it's possible, that's all. And you can't say it's not.
I just think it would suck for dave to come all this way, survive sepsis (sorry again man, that really blows...) just to have his plant herm on his from bending things around a bunch in flower.
But, I suppose your right about having more space, and I would also suppose that having the POSSIBILITY of a few seeds is better then having is plant get burnt and steal light from the rest of the buds by hitting the light.

Also bro, I didn't tear down your suggestion. It's just that sometimes people tend to do the first thing they hear, and I wanted to make sure he knew the possible repercussions of that option. Just cause it didn't happen to you and your plant, doesn't mean it can't happen to him and his. I simply wanted him to be aware is all. And possibly encourage him to find an alternative, less stressful option. If none exists, then it's simple to deduce that the only option remaining, is stress.

Not a BAD suggestion, as it IS helpful and all. So don't think i'm just blasting is without any love man, sorry if it came across that way.

 

[daveroller]

Hey, thanks guys for all your advice the past couple of days. I learned a lot from it.

Yesterday when I finally got around to changing the water, I tried tying down a few of the tallest branches as best I could. I think that I might have done some good, but my plant was looking a little dry and droopy before I even started, so I'm a little afraid for its health.

Thanks for the before & after pics of your plant, Jin. That helps. Your plants looked so healthy. Mine's still recovering from underwatering while I was gone & no fogger for 2 weeks, so it isn't in such good shape (picture below).

One bad thing about handling individual branches at this stage is that I must have broken open a bunch of trichromes, because my fingers got all sticky. So I lost some of the "medicine" that I could have harvested later. Another bad thing is that I broke at least one bud-bearing branch and a few of the weak leaf branches. I take full responsibility for this, since it was my decision to try this as an experiment. I'm learning a lot now in this first grow that I'll be more careful to avoid in the future. (The MAIN lesson is not to let my plant grow so big in the veg stage.) But I WILL try to bend branches again in the future, but under better circumstances, and I'll try not to do so much damage.

Another problem that makes tying down branches tricky is that the plant's net basket isn't anchored to the lid of the tote. So if I pull on a branch, it can tip the whole plant over. Next time I'll have to screw the net basket to the lid. (I'm holding down one side of the basket with 2 boxes of bullets right now. ) Another lesson learned.

Right now my strategy is to simply bend any branches forward away from the lights when they get too close, and sort of weave them through other branches to keep them in place.

Here are some pics from today.

First of all, the most important picture. It shows how sick my plant is:

Small, dry leaves at the top and big, droopy leaves at the bottom. I think there might be too much vegetation at the top that's blocking the light. Anything I should do to make sure that the buds in the middle stay healthy (get enough light)? I'll even break some more branches on purpose if that will help the majority of buds get enough light. Will buds continue to grow on broken branches?

Here's a picture of a branch that I tied down:


Here's one that I accidentally broke:


And here's a closeup of one of the flowers:



BTW, NICE avatar today, Jin! My favorite position for a naked lady. Yowza!

 

[lordjin]

Hey, thanks guys for all your advice the past couple of days. I learned a lot from it.

Yesterday when I finally got around to changing the water, I tried tying down a few of the tallest branches as best I could. I think that I might have done some good, but my plant was looking a little dry and droopy before I even started, so I'm a little afraid for its health.

Thanks for the before & after pics of your plant, Jin. That helps. Your plants looked so healthy. Mine's still recovering from underwatering while I was gone & no fogger for 2 weeks, so it isn't in such good shape (picture below).

One bad thing about handling individual branches at this stage is that I must have broken open a bunch of trichromes, because my fingers got all sticky. So I lost some of the "medicine" that I could have harvested later. Another bad thing is that I broke at least one bud-bearing branch and a few of the weak leaf branches. I take full responsibility for this, since it was my decision to try this as an experiment. I'm learning a lot now in this first grow that I'll be more careful to avoid in the future. (The MAIN lesson is not to let my plant grow so big in the veg stage.) But I WILL try to bend branches again in the future, but under better circumstances, and I'll try not to do so much damage.

Another problem that makes tying down branches tricky is that the plant's net basket isn't anchored to the lid of the tote. So if I pull on a branch, it can tip the whole plant over. Next time I'll have to screw the net basket to the lid. (I'm holding down one side of the basket with 2 boxes of bullets right now. ) Another lesson learned.

Right now my strategy is to simply bend any branches forward away from the lights when they get too close, and sort of weave them through other branches to keep them in place.

Here are some pics from today.

First of all, the most important picture. It shows how sick my plant is:
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Small, dry leaves at the top and big, droopy leaves at the bottom. I think there might be too much vegetation at the top that's blocking the light. Anything I should do to make sure that the buds in the middle stay healthy (get enough light)? I'll even break some more branches on purpose if that will help the majority of buds get enough light. Will buds continue to grow on broken branches?

Here's a picture of a branch that I tied down:
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Here's one that I accidentally broke:
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And here's a closeup of one of the flowers:
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BTW, NICE avatar today, Jin! My favorite position for a naked lady. Yowza!

You did great. That bent branch is exactly how mine looked in my last grow. The buds you see lined up horizontally will all thicken at the same light level now, and the lower ones that would have been smaller will now grow the same size as the upper ones.

The 'break' as you call it (and I call it that too) is actually a severe bend or 'pinch.' It's a severe form of traning, but that top is still very much alive and kicking (if it were truly broken and severed from the plant, you would see the leaves wilt in less than half an hour). Watch closely that top bud cluster on the 'broken' branch. I bet you it'll grow a little more massive than the non-broken ones.

Your idea of handling the bends on a case by case basis is sound. It sounds like you're already formulating a strategy based in common sense.

I don't want to take away completely the chance of a herm, but if you take it slow and continue to bend each individual branch as the case may come up, then your buds should be fine and remain seedless.

The plant doesn't look all that bad to me, either, considering what she's been through. She's far from dead and am sure will bounce back with your continued TLC.

I'll be watching what you do and I'll sacrifice an extra chicken tonight to keep the herm demons away from your plant... Lol.

Edit:
And don't worry too much about the sticky you got on your hands from handling the branches, it comes with the territory. Just be happy your hands got sticky... If they didn't get sticky, then you would have a problem. The plants will just produce more and it'll just ooze right back out anyway.

 

[lordjin]

And that's awesome, that plant looks beautiful btw. And i agree 100%. Dave is doing amazing at this, with the fogger, and the healthyness
And it's good to look at the big picture, yes. I however am not a fan of stress. In any form. The less stress OVERALL, the better things are for your baby.
As I said dude, I'm not saying it WILL herm, i'm saying it's possible, that's all. And you can't say it's not.
I just think it would suck for dave to come all this way, survive sepsis (sorry again man, that really blows...) just to have his plant herm on his from bending things around a bunch in flower.
But, I suppose your right about having more space, and I would also suppose that having the POSSIBILITY of a few seeds is better then having is plant get burnt and steal light from the rest of the buds by hitting the light.

Also bro, I didn't tear down your suggestion. It's just that sometimes people tend to do the first thing they hear, and I wanted to make sure he knew the possible repercussions of that option. Just cause it didn't happen to you and your plant, doesn't mean it can't happen to him and his. I simply wanted him to be aware is all. And possibly encourage him to find an alternative, less stressful option. If none exists, then it's simple to deduce that the only option remaining, is stress.

Not a BAD suggestion, as it IS helpful and all. So don't think i'm just blasting is without any love man, sorry if it came across that way.

Last thing I want to do is pollute Dave's journal with an argument. I hear you. And If I came off as defensive, I really do apologize.

 

[daveroller]

You did great. That bent branch is exactly how mine looked in my last grow. The buds you see lined up horizontally will all thicken at the same light level now, and the lower ones that would have been smaller will now grow the same size as the upper ones.

The 'break' as you call it (and I call it that too) is actually a severe bend or 'pinch.' It's a severe form of traning, but that top is still very much alive and kicking (if it were truly broken and severed from the plant, you would see the leaves wilt in less than half an hour). Watch closely that top bud cluster on the 'broken' branch. I bet you it'll grow a little more massive than the non-broken ones.

Your idea of handling the bends on a case by case basis is sound. It sounds like you're already formulating a strategy based in common sense.

I don't want to take away completely the chance of a herm, but if you take it slow and continue to bend each individual branch as the case may come up, then your buds should be fine and remain seedless.

The plant doesn't look all that bad to me, either, considering what she's been through. She's far from dead and am sure will bounce back with your continued TLC.

I'll be watching what you do and I'll sacrifice an extra chicken tonight to keep the herm demons away from your plant... Lol.

Edit:
And don't worry too much about the sticky you got on your hands from handling the branches, it comes with the territory. Just be happy your hands got sticky... If they didn't get sticky, then you would have a problem. The plants will just produce more and it'll just ooze right back out anyway.

That's a lot of info that will keep me from stressing over my plant! Thanks, Jin. Glad to know that the broken branch will continue to grow its buds and that the ooze that came off on my fingers will be replaced by the plant. It would have been hard if not impossible for me to look up this info on my own.

The plant looks sick to me, because the branches and buds near the lights look and feel really dry, while the lower fan leaves are droopy. I cut off a few of the worst lower leaves today. Anyway, I'll be happy if I get an ounce of dry, smokable weed this time around.

Today is the 34th day of flowering. It's supposed to flower for about 63 days, so I'm more than halfway there (by the book at least).

Here are some pics from today:

 

[lordjin]

That's a lot of info that will keep me from stressing over my plant! Thanks, Jin. Glad to know that the broken branch will continue to grow its buds and that the ooze that came off on my fingers will be replaced by the plant. It would have been hard if not impossible for me to look up this info on my own.

The plant looks sick to me, because the branches and buds near the lights look and feel really dry, while the lower fan leaves are droopy. I cut off a few of the worst lower leaves today. Anyway, I'll be happy if I get an ounce of dry, smokable weed this time around.

Today is the 34th day of flowering. It's supposed to flower for about 63 days, so I'm more than halfway there (by the book at least).

Here are some pics from today:
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Those buds are still growing. Just hang in there. You'll get a smokeable ounce at least.

 

[daveroller]

Here are some pics from today:




I added another 20 ml of Liquid KoolBloom to my 4 gallon reservoir today. (Put 20 ml in last water change.) I like the white tentacles that come out of these buds. Hope they keep on growing. I'm still moving individual branches away from the lights when they get too close. She seems to be recovering a bit from my absence when I went to the hospital.

 

[lordjin]

Hey there. Looking good. Stay with it!

 

[dajosh42069]

You did great. That bent branch is exactly how mine looked in my last grow. The buds you see lined up horizontally will all thicken at the same light level now, and the lower ones that would have been smaller will now grow the same size as the upper ones.

The 'break' as you call it (and I call it that too) is actually a severe bend or 'pinch.' It's a severe form of traning, but that top is still very much alive and kicking (if it were truly broken and severed from the plant, you would see the leaves wilt in less than half an hour). Watch closely that top bud cluster on the 'broken' branch. I bet you it'll grow a little more massive than the non-broken ones.

Your idea of handling the bends on a case by case basis is sound. It sounds like you're already formulating a strategy based in common sense.

I don't want to take away completely the chance of a herm, but if you take it slow and continue to bend each individual branch as the case may come up, then your buds should be fine and remain seedless.

The plant doesn't look all that bad to me, either, considering what she's been through. She's far from dead and am sure will bounce back with your continued TLC.

I'll be watching what you do and I'll sacrifice an extra chicken tonight to keep the herm demons away from your plant... Lol.

Edit:
And don't worry too much about the sticky you got on your hands from handling the branches, it comes with the territory. Just be happy your hands got sticky... If they didn't get sticky, then you would have a problem. The plants will just produce more and it'll just ooze right back out anyway.

Agreed.
Just take it slowly, and it'll be fine. Just look up some info on what herm's tend to look like. On Youtube and on google, so you can stay on the lookout. They're small male flowers. So if you know what male flowers look like, imagine small ones of those growing on either side of the budsites.
No reason not to be informed.

And yes, the sticky will happen, it's such a small percentage of what's actually on the plant, you have nothing to worry about. By the time she's finishing up, she'll be gooood and frosty.
Smell will become an issue soon as well.

 

[daveroller]

Agreed.
Just take it slowly, and it'll be fine. Just look up some info on what herm's tend to look like. On Youtube and on google, so you can stay on the lookout. They're small male flowers. So if you know what male flowers look like, imagine small ones of those growing on either side of the budsites.
No reason not to be informed.

And yes, the sticky will happen, it's such a small percentage of what's actually on the plant, you have nothing to worry about. By the time she's finishing up, she'll be gooood and frosty.
Smell will become an issue soon as well.

Thanks, Josh. I'll keep an eye out for any herms and I am being very gentle with the branches now. Good to have another opinion backing up Jin's (not that I don't trust him ).

 

[daveroller]

Here's a photo of my plant that I took today:

It's still growing, but you can see the problems it has. For one, most of the big fan leaves are down below where they aren't getting much light. It really could have benefited from a SCROG setup and maybe some better pruning during the veg phase.

Here are some more pics from today:

I've just begun to plan for my next grow, so I need to do some more reading to nail down the details, but here's what I'm planning so far. (Corrections are welcome.) I'll only grow it in veg up to about 20" tall and prune all of the lower branches off. Then during flower, after the plant grows tall enough, I'll set up a screen of cotton string about 5-6" from the main light fixture, parallel to it. (I might make the distance adjustable, in case I need more space away from the lights as the buds thicken & fan leaves grow out.) If necessary, I'll move the two CFL's lower, so that the lower leaves will get more light. The screen will be about 3' x 3', so that's how much room the branches will have to grow through it. I think this will be the best way to get maximum yield from my fluorescent lights, since they don't penetrate as well as HID's do. I want to be a little more conservative on size next time, even if it means getting a modest harvest, because I don't want another problem like I'm having now with the plant outgrowing the limited space it has in its cabinet.

 

[lordjin]

How many days are you into flowering? Give 'em a little time. You should be able to get some smoke out of that.

As far as compact scrogs are concerned, I ran into this amazing thread at a journal of another guy who's doing a pretty good job at copying him.

This dude SCOTTYBALLS gets an insane amount of bud off just one plant, a waterfarm bucket, and a 400w light under a screen:

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/344359-pineapple-express-g13-labs-seed.html

You might get some ideas off this journal.

 

[daveroller]

How many days are you into flowering? Give 'em a little time. You should be able to get some smoke out of that.

As far as compact scrogs are concerned, I ran into this amazing thread at a journal of another guy who's doing a pretty good job at copying him.

This dude SCOTTYBALLS gets an insane amount of bud off just one plant, a waterfarm bucket, and a 400w light under a screen:

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/344359-pineapple-express-g13-labs-seed.html

You might get some ideas off this journal.

Today is day 42 of flowering, so according to the description she has about 3 weeks to go. I hope the buds get a little bigger by then.

Thanks for the SCROG link. That'll be useful for my next grow. Cheers.