Where did it go and why...

[lamabile85]

Quite vague my man. So in regards to your first question, No, i do not grasp what you "threw up" for the others, i am guessing you are referring to your opinions so ok we got that one. Now as for what "fuckers are being jocked" i am not so sure oh whom you speak.
CONMAN

I've been reading your replies, and suffice to say, you're not making any sense. You're trying to hard to cover up for your friend and going on off nonsensically not replying to the issues at hand. We have to be vague with you in fear that your posts will be sent to your local law enforcement agency, so there is no need to give you specifics about anything considering you are already associated with an individual who likes to discuss others business with law enforcement officials.

Nice try, though. Hope Brett gives you a nice little bonus.

 

[conman322]

Go ahead mate! run my IP hahaha come find me even! I WOULD LOVE THAT. you all clearly do not know who i am and that is probably for the better, Who is to say i havent run all of the IP's in here already? hahaha everyone thinks im Bret in here its hilarious. And if you read back you would see that i am in fact NOT a Bogue "follower" but rather someone who recognizes a talented grower regardless if hes "an asshole". For christ sakes the guy who started this' quote claims that he is "an asshole" so if thats your argument then i have nothing more to say...And on the note of moronic actions and tendencies you are a member on a cannabis forum so i would say that a good amount of the public would classify you in that moronic range of nobody's going anywhere fast category! Not to say that that is MY opinion, but we do live in a democracy and within the democracy majority is the way. And within this thread, there seems to be a trend of the opinions of the majority miraculously turning into facts soooo.... where does that leave you? But nice try on that insult buddy! OH AND PS: dont even start on the note of cockriders A) i have made it clear that i stand neutral on my opinions of Bret and all that i have said was simply fuel for discussion. AND B) you my friend just hopped on the bandwagon now posting in this thread, dont sit there and act like youve been in this thread as if you have opinions embedded in the previous conversation, YOU DONT! hahahaha youre just a cockrider of trending topics tryin to get those posts up more than likely trollie pollie ollie!

 

[conman322]

I've been reading your replies, and suffice to say, you're not making any sense. You're trying to hard to cover up for your friend and going on off nonsensically not replying to the issues at hand. We have to be vague with you in fear that your posts will be sent to your local law enforcement agency, so there is no need to give you specifics about anything considering you are already associated with an individual who likes to discuss others business with law enforcement officials.

Nice try, though. Hope Brett gives you a nice little bonus.

AW HOW CUTE ANOTHER COCKRIDER! haha yeah i dont even know the dude soooo.... there goes that "accusation"! If i knew the guy do you think i would be on here doing this? He doesnt need people like me to tell the story, he can simply get your shit deleted if it proves to be slanderous and that would be that. And im Law enforcement now? Please bitch, im the furthest thing away from a cop as possible. "where im from we hate cops like we was bred to do it" (andre nickatina for you who also lack rap knowledge in addition to argumentive skill). You dont know who youre talking to little man, so like i said this can end and you can realize that ALL i did was put in my two cents in a thread, or we can continue to ramble on and on about the same points of interest. It amazes me how ignorant one can be, "oh he must be law enforcement" PLEASE! OH and how do you need to be vague about something that doesnt even concern you? how would you get in trouble for speaking on this unless YOU WERE INVOLVED my friend? that makes a whole lotta sense.....
CONMAN

 

[Dan Kone]

may i ask where all of your information has come from everyone? it all sounds like a hearsay at this point and putting false titles on one of the greatest breeders alive. You think that that breeder in salmon creek was the original breeder of Grape Ape why? because he CLAIMS to it? that my friend is the definition of hearsay.

You're right. It is hearsay. But so is Bret's claim to the strain really. Just because he sold the seeds doesn't mean he created the strain. Also in the deleted thread when confronted with the idea that he might not have been the original breeder his response was "I've been working with those strains for many years". That's not the same as "yes, I am the original creator". It's basically one guys word vs another, but the one guy in question also got caught in a pretty big lie in the same post, making the other guy much more credible. But like you say, there is no proof one way or another. That's all hearsay. Such things are impossible to prove.

Dont defame one of the greatest strains around and the breeder who put god knows hos much time and effort into creating it. If that breeder is in fact the breeder of grape ape he must have at least mothers and a grip of seeds to prove it no?

Yes, that is correct. He has both. That's not necessarily proof of anything, but he has no reason to lie and it did seem credible to me.

I just got off of the phone with Bret and we spoke for an hour. Let me tell you guys that you should find the thread that he WILLINGLY posted his number on for someone to call and get the facts.

That's on my profile under visitor messages. Have at it.

https://www.rollitup.org/members/dan-kone-128706.html

Give him a call and let me know if you still feel the same way about the situation. Plus why so much hate guys? what do you have against the guy? all hearsay and preconceived notions with ZERO factual backup.

Well things got deleted. But the thread that got deleted was pretty convincing. But no, as Bret says I don't have

a piece of paper from the court stating that BRET BOGUE is an informant,

So because of that at this time I'm going to be careful what I say because

Unless you have a piece of paper from the court stating that BRET BOGUE is an informant, you should be careful what you post. You could end up being sued. I have had to sue before, I can do it again.

I don't want him to tell on me so I'm not going to make the claim he's a snitch.

Oh, the irony.

But at this time I probably shouldn't say anything more on the subject. Have a nice day.

 

[conman322]

See guys. Regardless of where Dan stands on the situation, (and we all know where he stands haha) i have respect for him for using REASON and keeping an open mind. Thats all i asked for haha, its not that hard to have a discussion without letting your emotions run high. Cheers mate.
CONMAN

 

[d.s.m.]

Okay, perfect i have a bite, so sir, what is your evidence deeming Bret a Snitch? the few and quite vague reports on the incidents that are on the internet? of course youd believe those over actually listening to the dude. Its called being open minded people, i didnt call him wanting to suck his dick and ask for seeds, (which lets be real, if you called Bogue youd ask him about seeds yourself hoping you could grow like him) i called him to HEAR HIM OUT. And that i did, haha where would you like me to start? the videos? those were security cameras on an operation that hired him for his consulting. he didnt grow for em, he did what he did at apothecary and that was CONSULT people about their technique and that was the extent of it. The situation I am speaking of (and it may very well be different from that of which you are talking about) was clearly a setup to try to nail HIM but they couldnt, all he does is consult through apothecary at the time. And when they realized, "oh hey this guy is really by the book and simply a consultant" they got crooked. Im sure you didnt see the 5 minutes spliced from the tape ( i found one with the time slots on it if you want) to make it look like Bret rolled up with NARCs or whatever, when in all reality they rolled up on him. When he tells me these dudes are growing WAY over their limit, stuffing FAR too many plants into one building, and leaving the plastic film on their lights, that is a tell tale sign that the whole thing was crooked FAR before they called Bogue in for his assistance. Wouldnt you want to shut someone up who is falsely saying youre a Snitch? common sense boys. ya threatening to sue them will shut them up. Bogue doesnt do the whole forum thing, nad you know why, because every time he does get on here people like you bash him and say hes a NARC or whatever you say. Makes him seem like he has to defend himself so naturally hes going to have one of his internet team members shut him the fuck up. Did that dude cal Bret? nope and why not? because he is simply throwing stones and he knows when confronted with the man himself, he will not stand a chance BECAUSE IT IS ALL HEARSAY. Like i said, im not a Bret Bogue cock rider like you all so eagerly assumed. Do i admire his skill? fuck yes i do. Do you guys not? I'm sorry i admire a talented breeder and grower; i guess that means i get seeds and send him shit. HA keep talking shit and see how far that gets you. I simply commented on this to discuss something but so far, and i dont mean to be offensive as you all demonstrated right off the bat, but you are being quite narrow minded. And im not even going to acknowledge the whole strain thing you guys are BS'ing about. You dont think if he "stole" grape ape the dude you claim to be the father of the strain would have spoken out about that shit? i didnt read any articles about "cannabis cup winner steals strains" on high times. that story doesnt hold up. So in conclusion, you can bash the dude all you want, you can call me a bogue lover or whatever the troll said up there, at the end of the day youre not gonna call him to hear his side of it, as cliche as it is, there are two if not more sides to every story and you dont want to hear his side, deeming you, narrow minded trolls. Its pretty easy to bash someone on the forums from behind a computer screen huh? especially without exhausting all of the resources for information on the subject. I would have thought you would have at least called him since youre all OH so knowledgeable and seemingly "passionate" on the subject and you started a thread concerning it.. If i wanted to play the hate game i could easily sit here and throw stones back at you guys but as you can see im clearly here to say what i know, spread information on the subject, and you can take it as you please. Thats why i joined this forum, to gain and spread information, so dont post a thread if you arent prepared to hear BOTH sides of it. thats not how it works. You cant start a thread with a couple of buddies and totally disregard everyone elses input. if thats what you're after I would say you all have promising careers campaigning as politicians. But if you want to start getting personal and hurling insults my way, saying i desire a bromance from the dude, when all i did was listen to him, then lets go boys.
CONMAN

What about the part where 'he' got caught lying?

 

[Balzac89]

Conman is his friend named Adam

 

[Balzac89]

I like how Bret takes his time to personally attack each person on their profile but wont post in the open for everyone to see. Show who you really are. Anyone who got a message from his repost it here.

bret bogue - 11-12-2011 09:44 PM - permalink View Conversation Edit Report

what,s up bitch? you got some thing to say im right here or are you like the rest of your fag boys so what the fuck have you done for the movement? what books are you in? what moives are you in? how many cups do you have? how many strains have you made? thats what i thought a fucking know body a god dam bitch talking shit behide the fucking computer dont know me from adam​

 

[jyermum]

Conman is his friend named A---

Damn, I knew it had to be something like that. Guy starts a "pr" thread the same time the other one went up. Pretends he doesn't know him but he spoke to him for an hour....

He made a stop by my profile too. Come by and take a look, I'm holding onto it like a badge of honor.

Edit...to take out real name

 

[Dan Kone]

I'm pretty sure Bret Bogue just got banned. All his posts everywhere have been deleted. If so, that's fucking hilarious.

I guess being famous (in his own mind) only got him so far.

 

[Balzac89]

he is still here

 

[jyermum]

He's magical. First here was here then POOF gone. He must know Al Gore cause dudes got the Internet wired.

 

[Balzac89]

There is two sides to every story.

 

[jyermum]

For sure . It would have been good to actually get the other side though.

 

[Balzac89]

I got Brets side and sounds like he got boned and in a twist of fate they got boned too. That's Karma I guess

 

[Balzac89]

In turn they blame him for them getting boned, when they boned him hard first. Boned. lol

 

[jyermum]

Sounds like an all around clusterfuck.

 

[Dan Kone]

Ok. I can't handle his douchebag *I'm famous and better then you so I get to decide what you think!* attitude. I tried to just drop it, but he won't leave it alone so here I am. If Mr Bigshot gets me banned or whatever, fine. It's not illegal for me to have an opinion, so he can suck it. If mods decide to ban me, it's their website, it's their call, I'm ok with that.

Ok. So this clown is now facing the accusation of snitching for the second time, both with the LA county sheriffs dept specifically. Ok. Well that's a coincidence, but doesn't mean much by itself.

Now lets take the specifics of his second case. When first accused of being a CI (I don't know if he really is or not) by now banned alwaysclosing1, Bret first denied ever doing business with the guy. I'm sure many people here witnessed that before bret had the thread deleted.

Then alwaysclosing1 posts a youtube video where he has brett on tape talking about their business deals. boom. caught in a lie. Not proof of anything, but it doesn't make him real credible either.

Then bret changes his story claiming to having a contract with the guy but the guy refused to pay him for the remainder of the contract after they attempted to end the deal. Then 2 weeks later the cops raid the place.

The cops arrested the people doing the grow which had 40 video cameras running according to bret. But for some reason the cops don't bust bret, the guy who originally brought the clones and was working on the grow for a month before the raid according to alwaysclosing1.

Bret was on probation for three years doing home monitoring, but then all that mysteriously went away once he started working for the place that got raided. according to bret he "just got off prob. sept. 18 2011". He got hired at this place sept 1st. Less than a month of getting off probation, the place gets raided. Well that doesn't mean much. But wait, he was on probabtion for 3 years?
http://www.pencilmethod.com/2011/01/29/bret-bogue-jailed-in-mendocino-county/
"Bogue’s wife Jeanette confirms that he was convicted on one count of maintaining a residence for the manufacture and storage of marijuana. His sentence includes three-years’ probation and five years listed as a registered narcotics offender. He’s already on probation from a previous marijuana conviction."

So his probation mysteriously ends more than 2 years early and even though he's a registered narcotics offender working at a place that got busted which had video cameras on the grow, nothing happens to him.

Also, as I said this is the second time he's faced this accusation which both times the same police department doing the raid. Amazing coincidence.

[video=youtube;mJ0Ew2p_KYg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ0Ew2p_KYg[/video]
This is from the first guy who claims bret is working with the police. He starts talking about brett ~2 minutes in.

Now I don't know if bret is a snitch or this is all just some amazing coincidence. Who knows, anything is possible. I don't have any inside information. But it sure doesn't look good. And when he came here lying, then changing his story, then threatening anyone who discussed it with legal action, well that doesn't make his denial very credible IMO.

I'm not accusing bret of anything, I really don't know anything for sure. Nor am I making any declarative statements that US law defines as defamation, but since as bret himself claims, he's a big shot PUBLIC FIGURE, it is ok to discuss opinions on the matter.

But I do know he's behaving just like someone who did that shit would behave. And while I don't know anything for sure about any of that, I will say this. Fuck you Bret. I don't care if you think you're a big shot. You can't tell me what to think. You can take your psudo-celebrity ego and shove it up your ass.

 

[d.s.m.]

While it's not yet been proven beyond any reasonable doubt that the dude's a rat, he is most definitely a liar, as was demonstrated in the conveniently deleted thread in question.

I would advise anyone to stay as far away from this guy as possible.

 

[kevin murphy]

Sumone bring me up to speed on this whats it about...