ordering good seed

Clint Torres

Clint Torres

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Within 3-4 months ( I know i am getting ahead of myself) I need to place an order from Attitude. I love their service, stealth and the fact that they are in the UK. ( No parcels out of the Netherlands or vancouver)

The problem i have is that up until now i have just been choosing seed that "sounds good". the dinafem plants i have going are nice. So I mean i suspect they have good quality.

Recently i had a thread that was asking about "stable" strains to choose and it got into the discussions of breeding from like F1s to F5s and one dude said that the F5s or such would be more stable.

Now my question is, F5s, good companies, good strains.... whatever. i need to pointed at some strains from this site that rarely disappoint, as I pretty much have to use just seeds as cloning is not practical in my space.

I have heard that Nirvana and I think TGA? are good brands.
can anyone tell me just some killer strains and what company they are from or how to search for such seeds on that site? when i have searched before i did so in a haphazard, newbie kinda way with no real knowledge of what i was getting into.

Right now i have 3 Mohan Ram clones, 3 Dinafem critical+ clones and one Greenhouse Superbud clone in flower. When i grew them before they got a bad mite infestation and the clones have grown into killer, mite free plants but i have to start all over this time as I hav no new clones.

I am sitting on
4 kannabia Afrodite
2 Strawberry blue
2 Mohan Ram
1 emerald jack
1 kalashnokova
i dinafem Blue Widow
1 Dinafem Blue Hash
1 exodus cheese
1 super sour og
1 cali hash

I think these will be good! But next time I want to get some known winners. Any and i mean ANY help I would appreciate.

PS
I have had Greenhouse seeds before. White Rhino and White Widow that looked like a head of kale and the Superbud i have now started scraggly and discolored but it is sticky and stinky. I fucked up the widow and the rhino as it was my first grow.

Has anybody else had weird issues with Greenhouse Seeds?
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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http://www.seedbankupdate.com/su.html

I'm somewhat in the same boat as you, been scouring this site for a few weeks now and reading reviews here etc. Basically been just looking for certain strains with the best possible genetics.

Also, I was just checking Dr. Greenthumbs site. They claim 1-5 lbs on G13 outdoor harvest, that's way high.
 
racerboy71

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
Sunbiz1 said:
http://www.seedbankupdate.com/su.html

I'm somewhat in the same boat as you, been scouring this site for a few weeks now and reading reviews here etc. Basically been just looking for certain strains with the best possible genetics.

Also, I was just checking Dr. Greenthumbs site. They claim 1-5 lbs on G13 outdoor harvest, that's way high.
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dr greenthumbs has some real fire for sure.. his g13 is amazing from the grow ive seen dr gruber do on here of it. omg, sooo dank, lol.. also check out some of the other gj's on here that dr gruber does on drgt's gear.. his diesel looks soo bomb, omg, lol..
i've also grown out his og kush, the ghost cut, and it's easily in my top three smokes so far.. really nice yielder, super smell and flavor, and a really nice high.. all around a winner in my book..

to the op, yes, tons of people have issues with greenhouse seeds, which is why i steer clear of them for the most part.. lots of hermie issues, just bad genetics, etc..

and also, watt type of high do you prefer?? couchlock indica style, or more of a soaring, clear headed energetic sativa high?? let us know that and we can help you out some more with specific strains for your favorite type of smoke.. :)
 
Clint Torres

Clint Torres

New Member
racerboy71 said:
dr greenthumbs has some real fire for sure.. his g13 is amazing from the grow ive seen dr gruber do on here of it. omg, sooo dank, lol.. also check out some of the other gj's on here that dr gruber does on drgt's gear.. his diesel looks soo bomb, omg, lol..
i've also grown out his og kush, the ghost cut, and it's easily in my top three smokes so far.. really nice yielder, super smell and flavor, and a really nice high.. all around a winner in my book..

to the op, yes, tons of people have issues with greenhouse seeds, which is why i steer clear of them for the most part.. lots of hermie issues, just bad genetics, etc..

and also, watt type of high do you prefer?? couchlock indica style, or more of a soaring, clear headed energetic sativa high?? let us know that and we can help you out some more with specific strains for your favorite type of smoke.. :)
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To answer your question of what high i like, the answer is, "YES"
 
potpimp

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
I'm growing some of Dr. Greenthumbs Iranian G13 right now (5" seedlings) and I've also got Nirvana's Ice, Pure Power Plant and Jock Horror going too. Everybody that has grown Nirvana's Ice or PPP has just raved about it.
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

Well-Known Member
racerboy71 said:
dr greenthumbs has some real fire for sure.. his g13 is amazing from the grow ive seen dr gruber do on here of it. omg, sooo dank, lol.. also check out some of the other gj's on here that dr gruber does on drgt's gear.. his diesel looks soo bomb, omg, lol..
i've also grown out his og kush, the ghost cut, and it's easily in my top three smokes so far.. really nice yielder, super smell and flavor, and a really nice high.. all around a winner in my book..

to the op, yes, tons of people have issues with greenhouse seeds, which is why i steer clear of them for the most part.. lots of hermie issues, just bad genetics, etc..

and also, watt type of high do you prefer?? couchlock indica style, or more of a soaring, clear headed energetic sativa high?? let us know that and we can help you out some more with specific strains for your favorite type of smoke.. :)
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I'm looking at Dr. GT's site right now, Cindy looks appealing. Although trying her outdoors we're I'm at would be pushing it. I'm looking for a good sativa I can do both indoors and out...they have to be hardy/able to handle some wind and occasional temps in the 30's for the final 2 weeks.
 
yesum

yesum

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Nirvana is known as a budget bank with some not liking what they got. I can say I have had good luck with ACE and Cannabiogen seeds. They are closely related with the same breeders involved with both. Quality stock is about all I have heard about them. I am on second order with them.

Panama Red for sativa and Peyote Purple for indica, is what I have.
 
potpimp

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
yesum said:
Nirvana is known as a budget bank...
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That is true but the way I look at it is like this: Suppose you are a breeder. You purchase the original F1 seeds from the breeder of that particular strain, say "Jack Herrer". When you get the Jack Herrer seeds you plant them and grow them. You take the best male and the best female and polinate the female with his pollen. You let the plant go to it's natural death and harvest the seeds. You have 6 female plants and grew off the other 5 for the bud. You got 4 lbs (wet) off the plants, which is worth about $3,600 per plant - tops, and you got 2,674 viable seeds from the one seed run. You sell the seeds on your website, using the name "Jock Horror", for $38 for 10 seeds, that's $10,161. I think this is a very fair and reasonable take from ONE plant, considering that you are not even the original breeder. Considering that they are a "budget" seed bank, what does that make other seed banks that think it's fine and dandy to make $25,000 - $40,000 for the seeds of ONE plant? Unless it's a breeder that has produced something legendary, I think Nirvana's prices should be the standard.
 
Clint Torres

Clint Torres

New Member
I just need something along the lines of "look this up on Attitude. You just can't go wrong with this company's strain. great bud and good for newbs."

I was looking at those Nirvana strains and they look tasty.
 
racerboy71

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
Sunbiz1 said:
I'm looking at Dr. GT's site right now, Cindy looks appealing. Although trying her outdoors we're I'm at would be pushing it. I'm looking for a good sativa I can do both indoors and out...they have to be hardy/able to handle some wind and occasional temps in the 30's for the final 2 weeks.
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the nice thing about cindy is she's a fast finisher.. i think she only needs like 56 days or so to finish, so i'd think she'd be a pretty good choice for northern growers looking for a sativa high but need a plant that will finish before the temps get too cold ..
 
potpimp

potpimp

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racerboy71 said:
the nice thing about cindy is she's a fast finisher.. i think she only needs like 56 days or so to finish, so i'd think she'd be a pretty good choice for northern growers looking for a sativa high but need a plant that will finish before the temps get too cold ..
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You're talking about Cindy? Wow, that is really fast. I wonder how fast you could turn around rooted clones if you went straight to flower?
 
racerboy71

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
potpimp said:
You're talking about Cindy? Wow, that is really fast. I wonder how fast you could turn around rooted clones if you went straight to flower?
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actually, i was wrong, it says 50 days on the mosca negra description over at the tude.. that's a hair over 7 weeks, got to love that shit.. :)
Cinderella 99 is the result of painstakingly backcrossing a very rare female to her male progeny over 3 generations. Short-statured & heavily branched, this planst grows long, dense colas with an extremely high flower/leaf ratio and outrageous resin production. The breeder has observed a "giant leap" in potency with each progressive generation and, as expected. Cinderella 99 has topped all previous results - her high is heavily influenced by Haze, clear, energetic & devastatingly psychoactive. A plant with all of the above is rare enough, but Cinderella 99 fniished flowering after a scant 50 days. Above average yields of crystal covered buds reeking of Pineapple & tropical fruit
 
potpimp

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
racerboy71 said:
actually, i was wrong, it says 50 days on the mosca negra description over at the tude.. that's a hair over 7 weeks, got to love that shit.. :)
Cinderella 99 is the result of painstakingly backcrossing a very rare female to her male progeny over 3 generations. Short-statured & heavily branched, this planst grows long, dense colas with an extremely high flower/leaf ratio and outrageous resin production. The breeder has observed a "giant leap" in potency with each progressive generation and, as expected. Cinderella 99 has topped all previous results - her high is heavily influenced by Haze, clear, energetic & devastatingly psychoactive. A plant with all of the above is rare enough, but Cinderella 99 fniished flowering after a scant 50 days. Above average yields of crystal covered buds reeking of Pineapple & tropical fruit
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That just went right straight to the top of the wish list!!
 
JCashman

JCashman

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stay away from GreenHouse unless you feel like rolling the dice and taking a chance. if you want good stable genetics from attitude, look at TGA, Mr Nice. some people report problems with cali connection gear, however between the tahoes and blackwaters i've seen no issues.

good luck!
 
canefan

canefan

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I understand the ease of Attitude and their following of fans, but what I don't understand is why not buy from the breeder instead of the "broker" seedbank? Maybe I am just too old school or don't mind spending the time going through the individual breeders's site, but to take the seeds from one place and sell to another then have those seeds sold to you seems like lots of changing hands. I personally just don't trust these mega seedbanks or their products to be what is advertised. I realize this mostly comes down to the almighty $$$ which is the cause of all the polluted strains today.
To the OP, yes the higher the f number the more chance you have of stabilizing your strain sooner and the more chance you have of having a true breeding strain. The true breeding strain should be the basis for a breeding program unless you just have lots of time and space for growing and looking at what you have produced. Many good and honest breeders out there, take the time write to the breeders, ask questions and explain what you want to do. The best breeders will take the time to answer your questions, point you in the right direction and help you along the line. If they are unwilling to do this I suggest looking into another breeder because they are most likely just about the money and not the product or genetics.
Suggestion - http://www.sanniesshop.com/sannies-seeds/ these people don't have the largest selection of strains but have some very good ones which might fit into your wants and needs. Sannie, Escobar and motorebel all helped me with my selection of seeds for my breeding program and gave helpful hints along the way. DJ short is also very good and of course subcool is great.
Good Luck
 
Clint Torres

Clint Torres

New Member
OK, I totally get the reasoning behind going to the breeder instead of to a "bank". My main reason is that they are in the UK. Aren't Nirvana and TGA in the netherlands? If so, do they "stealth" ship? Has ANYONE here had ANY issues with ordering from there?
My last order from Attitude, the Strawberry Blue and Mohan Ram came in glass vials attached to the company card. The afrodite came in a bubble from Kannabia and the two of the Dinafem seeds came in plastic "DNA" vials with foam plugs and dessicant. I can only assume at this point that even though those seeds are in co. packages that they have been sitting.
Almost every seed I have gotten from there has been quality, with the exception of free greenhouse and sagarmatha seeds (YUCK), but yes the rest of the seeds just come in a bag with a sticker.

I can't remember, forgive me if I am mistaken. I looked up I think, TGA and they did not have fem. seeds. I do not have experience with quality regular seed so i don't know the male/female ratio average. The problem is that my space is 4' x 2' leaving me with room for a max of 6-8 small plants. Aside from cloning, which i have not yet mastered, I need a higher probability of females. Like i said i have no experience. Next week i harvest my fourth crop, the last plants from 3 generations of SHAKY cloning, and it is the first not to have something go wrong. It would have happened last time but i had a serious bacterial infection that put me out of the game for over a month and spider mites killed my crop. I find it weird though that on the 4th gen from seeds and 3 clonings that this stuff turned out as hearty and crystally as it has.

My point being, I suck at cloning and until i get it down I think i am looking at seed for the most part. I need to just look at these sites and go from there.

The reason that I'm overthinking all this is that I have Asperger's and am such a NEWB that I literally sit there and fret over seed and cloning for hours trying to figure out how best to use my limitied space. I am in a small place so i can't go running 2-3 HIDs, it would draw attention here and heat this place up like a smokehouse. That's why i only have the 400 watt HID in the far bathroom and use low watt T5s only when i need to.
 
potpimp

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
I think Nirvana invented stealth seed shipping. Just a suggestion, don't put out on the forum their stealth measures or you mess it up for everyone; the authorities will now be looking for glass vials, desiccant, etc. They read these forums too.

Seed banks buy from the breeder at a discount and sell the seeds at what the breeder would normally sell it at. The benefits of ordering from the seed bank is consolidation of hundreds of strains in one location. It's mostly a convenience. Also, it bears noting that the Attitude and Nirvana pays for this site; that's huge!
 
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