"We're Trying To Keep Our Voting Rights! Thousands March Against New Voter ID Laws"

deprave

deprave

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17 states have passed "dramatic" new voting restrictions, today thousands of protesters march in New York for the right to vote.

Here is a terrible video about it from a terrible mainstream media tv/radio host that no one likes, only a few people are semi-willing to talk to him then at the end he finds a complete moron that is more than willing to yell like a bafoon:
[video=youtube;OnfrpS_LvC8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnfrpS_LvC8[/video]
 
sync0s

sync0s

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Voting rights are useless when they can just throw you in jail for an indefinite period of time...

Voting rights are useless when the same corporations that control our government controls our media...

Time to overthrow the government is coming near...
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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sync0s said:
Voting rights are useless when they can just throw you in jail for an indefinite period of time...

Voting rights are useless when the same corporations that control our government controls our media...

Time to overthrow the government is coming near...
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That's their first step in stopping every individual from having a voice. For a stupid plant. For not paying all your taxes. For whatever reason having to urinate so bad, but it happened to be near a school. For killing a man who the law says only wanted to rob you, but you know was threating the life of you and your family. Those and many more are reason enough to make you a felon, and even once free, you have no say. It's like you're the same as an illegal immigrant. In that situation, what makes a person feel welcome? Especially when it comes to those who did do horrible things. How is a person supposed to rehabilitate if they aren't allowed to be truly free? It's like the system is trying everything it can so their former prisoner returns. I don't know who came up with this rule? I don't think our founders agreed?
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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I for one appreciate my right to vote and I dont appreciate it being diluted by illegal immigrants and other people who are not qualified voting.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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NLXSK1 said:
I for one appreciate my right to vote and I dont appreciate it being diluted by illegal immigrants and other people who are not qualified voting.
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If you're talking about my comment, I said felons are treated like illegals when it comes to voting. Prior to Nov. 29, 1802, all felons were allowed to vote.

You think it's right a lady mailed three $500 checks and they all bounced because she was fired before they could be cashed? She was convicted of felony check fraud.

Why do you think there should be a single American citizen over 18 who's unqualified to vote? Why should they even consider themselves citizens any more? George HW Bush doesn't consider atheists American and wouldn't want them voting since they'd be more likely to vote Democrat.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Canna Sylvan said:
If you're talking about my comment, I said felons are treated like illegals when it comes to voting. Prior to Nov. 29, 1802, all felons were allowed to vote.

You think it's right a lady mailed three $500 checks and they all bounced because she was fired before they could be cashed? She was convicted of felony check fraud.

Why do you think there should be a single American citizen over 18 who's unqualified to vote? Why should they even consider themselves citizens any more? George HW Bush doesn't consider atheists American and wouldn't want them voting since they'd be more likely to vote Democrat.
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- My reply was to the OP

Well, the title of the video is about "Keeping" their rights. It has been illegal for over 200 years to vote when you are a felon. I dont think that qualifies as keeping your rights.

I dont give a shit what GW Bush thinks on the issue as he doesnt have a role in the issue. This is not about taking voting rights away from Athiests either. I have no idea why you even threw this into the argument, it makes no sense and simply does not support your point.

If you want to give felons the right to vote, then come out and say it. Dont try to do some end around fear mongering ploy that regular voters are somehow in danger of losing their rights.
 
mame

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How many illegal immigrants vote each election? How prevelent is voter fraud?

Also, what groups of people are most effected by the requirement to have ID to vote? Surely it can't be the poor or the minorities?

There's a reason Republicans are the only ones who ever push these kinds of bills... They know the most likely effect is that people who would normally vote for Democrats end up not voting at all.
 
sync0s

sync0s

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A friend of mine was a felon and voted in 08 anyways hoping to get away with it. They called his ass back within 2-3 weeks threatening to charge him. He had to go in and talk to an investigator and she told him that because he was one of only a few out of the thousands of people in the COUNTY who tried to illegally vote that actually showed up, she would let him off with a warning.

Moral of the story is... they watch that shit man.
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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mame said:
How many illegal immigrants vote each election? How prevelent is voter fraud?

Also, what groups of people are most effected by the requirement to have ID to vote? Surely it can't be the poor or the minorities?

There's a reason Republicans are the only ones who ever push these kinds of bills... They know the most likely effect is that people who would normally vote for Democrats end up not voting at all.
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To your first question, there's no way to know because we don't require ID to vote.

Why would being poor prevent you from having a $10 ID card, most of the people included in poverty statistics have refrigerators, tv's, 1 car (drivers license duh), mobile phones etc, etc. If they can afford all that, then SURELY they can afford an ID, you know for cashing their welfare checks and such. It's a ridiculous argument. Why would being black or asian or hispanic keep someone from having an ID? Seems quite condescending and bigoted to make that assumption. The only way they might not be able to secure an ID is if they are here illegally, which is really why most Democrats don't want this law, and why they want the unfettered illegal immigration that serves them so well.
 
mame

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MuyLocoNC said:
To your first question, there's no way to know because we don't require ID to vote.

Why would being poor prevent you from having a $10 ID card, most of the people included in poverty statistics have refrigerators, tv's, 1 car (drivers license duh), mobile phones etc, etc. If they can afford all that, then SURELY they can afford an ID, you know for cashing their welfare checks and such. It's a ridiculous argument. Why would being black or asian or hispanic keep someone from having an ID? Seems quite condescending and bigoted to make that assumption. The only way they might not be able to secure an ID is if they are here illegally, which is really why most Democrats don't want this law, and why they want the unfettered illegal immigration that serves them so well.
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My 22 y/o roommate doesn't have an ID. He doesn't drive, and for some reason REALLY doesn't want to go to strip clubs or bars w/ me and the homies. He votes in every election though... Oregon passes a voter ID law and he wouldn't take the time to get an ID to vote. He knows his SS number, has a birth cert and a bank account and has lived just fine without an ID since 09 at least (I've lived with him since then, he never had an ID during that time).

I'm sure there are tons of people with a story similar to that. Hell, I've got another example already... a 19 y/o homie who doesn't have an ID but he attends community college, also doesn't drive, and will vote in 2012. I hang out with a lot of 19-25 year old young people and a TON of them are without IDs, especially those under 21. These people might not vote if they had to have an ID. These same people would generally vote Democratic...

Do you see it yet? voter ID laws are indeed attempts at voter suppression. The number cruchers are telling thier candidates, "Hey, if we can get this demographic to vote more - or that demographic to vote less - it can swing the election our way." And it seems they're succeeding with their strategy... Seems like we've been hearing about these kinds of laws a lot lately.
 
canndo

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MuyLocoNC said:
The only way they might not be able to secure an ID is if they are here illegally, which is really why most Democrats don't want this law, and why they want the unfettered illegal immigration that serves them so well.
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this is the same old specious "reason" the right claims the left unfettered immigration. The fact is that a very tiny percent of illegals ever vote. The fact is that "unfettered immigration" was championed by Bush. the fact is that business likes unfettered immigration because they can get cheap labor - it has little or nothing to do with voting illegals.
 
Dan Kone

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NLXSK1 said:
I for one appreciate my right to vote and I dont appreciate it being diluted by illegal immigrants and other people who are not qualified voting.
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The problem is that this isn't a real problem. It just isn't happening. The did a voter fraud study of the 2004 election where they reviewed more than 9 million ballots. They found 2 cases of voter fraud out of 9 million! Nothing is being diluted, outcomes are not being effected. It's not a real problem.

This has nothing to do with voter fraud and everything to do with making it harder for seniors, college students, and poor people to vote. It's a scam.
 
Dan Kone

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NLXSK1 said:
If you want to give felons the right to vote, then come out and say it. Dont try to do some end around fear mongering ploy that regular voters are somehow in danger of losing their rights.
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Fair enough. I want to give felons a right to vote because they are citizens too and felonies are given out for stupid shit these days.

Should someone really lose their voice in democracy because they got raided for growing bud in their closet? That happens all the time. Why is that person's opinion on who should be president less valid than anyone elses?
 
beardo

beardo

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Rules against felons voting or owning fire arms are a prelude to slavery and mass murder like the holocaust
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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canndo said:
this is the same old specious "reason" the right claims the left unfettered immigration. The fact is that a very tiny percent of illegals ever vote.
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I'd like to see proof that it happens at all. I'm unaware of a single case of an illegal alien ever successfully voting. I've only heard of one case of it being attempted and he was caught and arrested.
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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mame said:
My 22 y/o roommate doesn't have an ID. He doesn't drive, and for some reason REALLY doesn't want to go to strip clubs or bars w/ me and the homies. He votes in every election though... Oregon passes a voter ID law and he wouldn't take the time to get an ID to vote. He knows his SS number, has a birth cert and a bank account and has lived just fine without an ID since 09 at least (I've lived with him since then, he never had an ID during that time).

I'm sure there are tons of people with a story similar to that. Hell, I've got another example already... a 19 y/o homie who doesn't have an ID but he attends community college, also doesn't drive, and will vote in 2012. I hang out with a lot of 19-25 year old young people and a TON of them are without IDs, especially those under 21. These people might not vote if they had to have an ID. These same people would generally vote Democratic...

Do you see it yet? voter ID laws are indeed attempts at voter suppression. The number cruchers are telling thier candidates, "Hey, if we can get this demographic to vote more - or that demographic to vote less - it can swing the election our way." And it seems they're succeeding with their strategy... Seems like we've been hearing about these kinds of laws a lot lately.
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So, what you're really saying is they are too lazy to go get an ID. Money isn't the issue, it's a rebellious thing or simply indifference. So because these cretins can't be bothered to get off their asses and get an ID, the rest of us have to cater to them? Not a fucking chance pal. Not a fucking chance. I bet they wait in line for hours for the latest IPAD or to see a concert, but 30-40 mins to get an ID....NO NO NO, that's far too much of an imposition. That pathetic example just made my point for me, thank you.
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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canndo said:
this is the same old specious "reason" the right claims the left unfettered immigration. The fact is that a very tiny percent of illegals ever vote. The fact is that "unfettered immigration" was championed by Bush. the fact is that business likes unfettered immigration because they can get cheap labor - it has little or nothing to do with voting illegals.
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You're absolutely right, I misspoke. I mean to say Progressive, not just Democrats. Bush was a flaming progressive on many fronts. UB disagrees, but I've listed dozens of examples of his progressive slant on many issues.
 
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