The "I don't starve my plants before harvest" thread

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SirLancelot

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If there was no difference in quality or yield then why not save nutes and flush?
By far the best answer I've heard!! very good point and to answer it prolly doesn't.
I just don't like the idea of starving my plant in the last weeks of life.

If your an athelete training for the olympics why would you spend all that time getting ready just to starve yourself in the last weeks before the event. seems counter productive Idk I could be very wrong but I doubt it. I understand how plants uptake nutrients and I know chemicals are not hanging out inside the buds. Why spend months keeping em up so well just to fuck with em at the end? I just prefer to keep em green, healthy and happy. I think when you flush and your plants turn all yellow and leaves fall off it looks disguisting and like it's dying. In my MANY MANY years of experience with gardening I know NO plants look like this when fruiting, My veggies always are full green and healthy. (except for my pumpkins this year, they got some wierd fungus on all leaves) I had a tomato plant that was all yellow wilted and shity the fruit from it was shitty as well. I guess I just corrospond dying plants with a shitty end product.
 

SirLancelot

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Exactly. I don't know why it is good, but if every cannabis cup entrant and winner gets flushed then I am flushing mine at home.
touche, I just can't follow the masses like you I like to find truth in theorys and I've disproved this theory 3 seperate times.
 

midijunkie

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hey if you dont like to flush then dont flush. just seems like another reason to argue here. my buds are flushed. they taste look and smell better than ones that ive not. same strain.. same mama... same growing environment. i feed the hell out of my plants.. if i didnt flush... wow.
 

bamfrivet

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If you feel that flushing is necessary then why not just water cure or after you cut your plant, put it in fresh clean water for 3 days or so. The plant's still alive after you cut it, it'll still uptake water through the stem, which will accomplish the same thing as the miracle flush. Water curing should take more out of your plant than just flushing, so why not feed your plant and get the full potential out of it, then water cure it and take out all those evil nutes that you paid so much to put into your plant.
 

Datdude910

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Yes I too indeed hate to see my plants leaves shriveled up and brittle. It kinda makes me feel like the plant isn't getting enough of something and it make me feel like a part of it is dying which it is. So i'd say that's a good reason why one wouldn't cure. As for my self I try and always flush if I don't there is a harsh taste. But I guess it also depends on what nutes you use. Have you test tasted a bud before cure?
 

aftershock

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Alright, Im a new grower so you can take my advice with a grain of salt. I don't flush. With one exception. If Im going to reveg the plant, I flush. I don't want excess nutes or salt build ups. As far as chemical taste....Ive never had a problem.
 

resinousflowers

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Yea as the name implies this thread is about bud that isn't starved before it's harvested a.k.a "flushed" Yes there has been many many arguments about flushing vs not flushing. and yet Everyone who is for flushing does it because someone they know, or someone who is their customer/client does it or asks for it. The people who belief that marijuana is like every other living fucking plant and doesn't need flush have all done expirements and have found out for themselves.

Ok so I don't flush my bud, and my nugs don't burn harsh nor do they get "black or sparky" for all of you that don't know, this is do to a shitty cure not because nutrients magically moved through the roots up the plant stock (if you have troubles believing this just look up how PLANTS take up nutrients, yes MJ is a plant like any other) and decided to just make a home in your buds. If you understood how plants work or had common sense you'd realize that starving something when it's in it's most crucial stages is iresponsible as a grower. Furthermore no one in the history of agriculture flushes their product, the tobacco industry doesn't flush. Why is marijuana so magically different? It's not, so quit trying to make it something more than it is.

Out of 3 blind taste tests NO ONE has ever been able to tell a difference in flushed and unflushed (with a proper cure). If you want to argue that you can taste a difference please explain how you came up with these results as I am always trying to figure out where this theory has actual facts too it. I am always open to intellectual positive conversation. Of course the majority of people who flush don't have intellectual answers to why they flush, they just do. STOP micromanaging a weed. If you grew the plant correctly to begin with your gonna have bomb as nug regardless. If you cure your bud properly you won't have the harsh smoke that is blamed on non-flushed weed. Like I've said I've done this expirement 3 times because someone has somewhat of a point so I test it out again thinking I missed something yet there never is anything different. Also something to remember a Plant is like Us (humans) we all differ from one another in some way. I just recently harvested two plants of the same strain that both tasted completely different after cure. So I can see how easily people can mispercieve their judgments on taste but You have to understand that nothing in this world benifits from starving and eating off of itself the last few weeks of it's life.

Please fire back with arguments Im open to hear legit answers.

I also figured this would be a good place to show off our "unflushed" babies and how horrible they look/taste since we didn't starve them. Guess you wouldn't smoke this huh?
its not being starved.it uses whats stored in its leaves to get it through to harvest,how hard is that to understand?
 

resinousflowers

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Im sorry when I meant blind taste tests I meant I administered them too others. And no no one could ever guess which was flushed and not. No my results don't favor unflushed significantly because I don't fudge with the statistics. In my experience and in others experience who have done these tests. There is no noticable difference in quality, yield, trichs nor flavor. Their are no nutrients in the raw form hanging out in buds waiting to be rinsed clean.

I only put down flushing so bad because of what common sense tells me as well as my basic understanding of how plants work.
so all these experts in cannabis cultivation and botany are wrong then?i can personally can tell the difference.
 

Beansly

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Growing weed isn't about having pretty plants at harvest....
My 50 years growing commercial mentor is laughing in his grave
God rest his soul.
Your pants never 'starve' if you grow them right.
They don't have the capacity to starve....they don't feel anything....
you're putting human emotions on a plant....
 

Harrekin

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so all these experts in cannabis cultivation and botany are wrong then?i can personally can tell the difference.
If you were to tell a real expert (like an actual botanist) that you "flush" they'd laugh in your face dude.

Someone mentioned Cervantes earlier, as has been stated before, he copies all his stuff from what he reads elsewhere and makes no effort to try hide it. Ask Uncle Ben, he's in the credits of Cervantes book.
 

Gastanker

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Quite a few crops stress their plants towards harvest with the most prominent being wine grapes. Good wine grapes are are extremely stressed prior to being harvested - same goes for olives destined to become oil...

I like the comparison against large scale row crops... Have you ever seen a farmer of a large scale row crop operation dedicate several large bottles of nutrients to a single plant? The reason for flushing marijuana is that people use way to many nutrients - often to the point that they are actually diminishing yield.

Have you read a botany/biology book? Nutrients are mobile in the plant... Do you think all cellular respiration takes place in the roots? No silly, it takes place all over. How can you perform cellular respiration requiring particular minerals/nutrients that are all stuck in the roots/soil? Oh wait nutrients move through the plants phloem and xylem...

By all means a flush is not necessary for all people but my god does it make a difference for the people that go overboard on their nutes. If the OP can't taste the difference between unflushed chemed up bud and flushed/organic non chemed up bud than he just doesn't have a very refined pallet.

I like the title though - "starve your plants". Guess what - tomato farmers never add nitrogen late into flower even if their tomatoes plants are turning yellow; they aren't starving their plants they are promoting a natural life cycle. They yield more, sweeter tomatoes with the plants naturally "hungry" for nitrogen than they would if they fed their plants a bunch of nitrogen. "starving" plants is often better for yield than "non starving" plants.
 

SirLancelot

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its not being starved.it uses whats stored in its leaves to get it through to harvest,how hard is that to understand?
When a living organism doesn't get the nutrients or food it needs to sustain itself it starts eating off of it's stored nutrents/food. That is starving and that is what the plant is doing. You can make it sound special it's just eating whats left in the plant NO it's eating itself. C'mon man get an understanding in Botany then argue.
 

Harrekin

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Quite a few crops stress their plants towards harvest with the most prominent being wine grapes. Good wine grapes are are extremely stressed prior to being harvested - same goes for olives destined to become oil...

I like the comparison against large scale row crops... Have you ever seen a farmer of a large scale row crop operation dedicate several large bottles of nutrients to a single plant? The reason for flushing marijuana is that people use way to many nutrients - often to the point that they are actually diminishing yield.

Have you read a botany/biology book? Nutrients are mobile in the plant... Do you think all cellular respiration takes place in the roots? No silly, it takes place all over. How can you perform cellular respiration requiring particular minerals/nutrients that are all stuck in the roots/soil? Oh wait nutrients move through the plants phloem and xylem...

By all means a flush is not necessary for all people but my god does it make a difference for the people that go overboard on their nutes. If the OP can't taste the difference between unflushed chemed up bud and flushed/organic non chemed up bud than he just doesn't have a very refined pallet.
Bullshit, flushers have so little actual science to back them up they're resorting to say people who don't flush "mustn't have as refined a pallet".

What a ball of shite, pick up some textbooks and start reading. I bet Olive and Grape farmers don't flush, they may stress their plants but depriving them of nutrients is something NO farmers do.

How come my tomatoes in pots don't taste like chemicals? Iv used Canna Terra for them for ages now.
 

SirLancelot

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so all these experts in cannabis cultivation and botany are wrong then?i can personally can tell the difference.
Yes they are. and untill someone can PROVE otherwise their all guilty for falling into the "cool kid" club and flushing. It's a marketing scheme open your eyes!
 

SirLancelot

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Growing weed isn't about having pretty plants at harvest....
My 50 years growing commercial mentor is laughing in his grave
God rest his soul.
Your pants never 'starve' if you grow them right.
They don't have the capacity to starve....they don't feel anything....
you're putting human emotions on a plant....
With 50yrs of knowledge I'd expect you to know that when something starts feeding on itself because it kind find it's food source thats called starving and when a living organism begins to starve it eats away at itself or what it has stored, not healthy. OK I agree flushing may be neccessary if you dump shit tons of chem ferts in your soil your plant gonna be fucked up but those nutrients aren't magically being transfered throughout the plant Its broken down and used by the plant. I did this thread so people who flushed could come and bring me some facts but all i hear is that if everyone else is doing it then by god Im doing it. BE a big kid research stuff on your own.

P.S santa isn't real. even though the majority of kids believe it
 

Gastanker

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Bullshit, flushers have so little actual science to back them up they're resorting to say people who don't flush "mustn't have as refined a pallet".

What a ball of shite, pick up some textbooks and start reading. I bet Olive and Grape farmers don't flush, they may stress their plants but depriving them of nutrients is something NO farmers do.

How come my tomatoes in pots don't taste like chemicals? Iv used Canna Terra for them for ages now.
You are saying that you have never tasted chemmed up bud? Never? Really? It just doesn't exist? Big conspiracy for those people that claim they have tasted chemed up bud? Yes, if you have never tasted chemmed up bud then you have ether never smoked it or you cannot differentiate between it and other - which would lead me to believe that your just are not able to taste the difference. This isn't an insult - my fiancee can't tell the difference between tea or coffee varieties, doesn't mean shes a bad person or that all tea/coffee is the same...

Nutrients are most defiantly mobile in plants - would you like me to take pictures of text from my text books? I have multiple here that will all say the same. This is my line of work - I have read the books and I will now advise you to do the same.

If I grow seasonal grass - and it turns brown and dies at the end of the year was it due to starving? The plant is pulling nutrients from parts of its mass to feed other parts of its mass. Oh wait - it would do this even if I gave it as much nutrients as I could - this is natural for seasonal plants? huh? Oh my god!

Gotta love the anthropomorphizing of the cannabis plant...
 

SirLancelot

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Bullshit, flushers have so little actual science to back them up they're resorting to say people who don't flush "mustn't have as refined a pallet".

What a ball of shite, pick up some textbooks and start reading. I bet Olive and Grape farmers don't flush, they may stress their plants but depriving them of nutrients is something NO farmers do.

How come my tomatoes in pots don't taste like chemicals? Iv used Canna Terra for them for ages now.
It's funny yes these threads are all over and it's the same arguments yet the individuals who flush do it because that's what others do. Rarely do you find someone who has actually done the test and still believes flushing matters. Im still just waiting for a strong answer with a legit reason why flushing is neccessary. It's just that everything I know about plants (yes including MJ) tells me NOT to do this.

BTW to the dude who says all cannibus cup winners flush so he does. you don't know if they do or not. Im sure theirs a few that are smart like us and realize it isn't neccessary but claims too because the judges and masses of people don't know any better. and if they hear it's unflushed they ultimatly think its bad because of uneducated growers on forums.
 

SirLancelot

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You are saying that you have never tasted chemmed up bud? Never? Really? It just doesn't exist? Big conspiracy for those people that claim they have tasted chemed up bud? Yes, if you have never tasted chemmed up bud then you have ether never smoked it or you cannot differentiate between it and other - which would lead me to believe that your just are not able to taste the difference. This isn't an insult - my fiancee can't tell the difference between tea or coffee varieties, doesn't mean shes a bad person or that all tea/coffee is the same...

Nutrients are most defiantly mobile in plants - would you like me to take pictures of text from my text books? I have multiple here that will all say the same. This is my line of work - I have read the books and I will now advise you to do the same.

If I grow seasonal grass - and it turns brown and dies at the end of the year was it due to starving? The plant is pulling nutrients from parts of its mass to feed other parts of its mass. Oh wait - it would do this even if I gave it as much nutrients as I could - this is natural for seasonal plants? huh? Oh my god!

Gotta love the anthropomorphizing of the cannabis plant...
YES please provide pics and info I'd love to respectfully admit I am wrong.

Seasonal grass? first marijuana isn't seasonal and it producs fruit. grass doesn't. and yes the grass is dying.
 

SirLancelot

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and yes nutrients are mobil once their broken down into what the plant can use and at that point no chemicals are being floated around inside.
 

Gastanker

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YES please provide pics and info I'd love to respectfully admit I am wrong.

Seasonal grass? first marijuana isn't seasonal and it producs fruit. grass doesn't. and yes the grass is dying.
Grass produces seeds just as marijuana does - Marijuana is DEFINITELY a seasonal plant. Pictures are on their way. Would you like them from "Plant Biology", "Environmental Science", or "Botany".

And just for kick what would you say to this logic - I have two plants, A and B of the same strain.

Plant A was fed less nitrogen than plant B so plant A is yellowing late into flower. Plant B had too much nitrogen and is super dark green in flower. Now the yellowing is due to mobile nitrogen leaving the chloroplasts of lower leaves and traveling to the bud sites where is is being used for seed/flower production. If plant B is more green than plant A it is due to having higher levels of nitrogen.

So you cut the plants down and cure them - which has more nitrogen? Plant B... Or do you think that nitrogen somehow off gasses during the cure? Plants can't uptake atmospheric nitrogen, but do you think they can somehow take the nitrogen in their cells and just off gas it as atmospheric nitrogen? I'm picking on N because it is easy but this is all applicable to the other minerals/elements.
 
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