Ron Paul Has International Support

[NoDrama]

"Ron Paul Has International Support"

If so it's to bad for him that his international supporters cannot vote for him because there are not enough Americans who will vote for him to be elected president.

Hell, they can't even contribute to the campaign, so like you said, its a moot point.

 

[Brick Top]

My question for all the Ron Paul supporters here who must spend hours each day typing as many messages as they do proclaiming that Ron Paul is the nation's only salvation and that he has a legitimate chance to become president not out working to help him win rather than just sitting in front of your computers arguing about it?

If all of you spent an equal amount of time canvasing for him, doing door to door, handing out Ron Paul information, putting out Ron Paul signs anywhere and everywhere you could and organizing pro Ron Paul rallies, he might stand a better chance of winning.

Do any of you believe you will convert those who are not Ron Paul supporters by arguing with people on a pot growing website? Will arguing with a handful of Beavis and Buttheads on a pot growing site influence the masses and convert them?

If you actually support the man get out and spend as many hours as you can per day talking with the public and trying to influence as many voters as possible, rather than sit at home and type pro Ron Paul messages here.

 

[fenderburn84]

he just returns it to the treasury. He also returns any of his unused operational budget from his office.

In 2008, his congressional office returned $58,000 to the Treasury. In 2009, his office returned $90,000. Now, according to an official press release, Dr. Ron Paul’s congressional office has just paid back $100,000.


Dr Paul IS a doctor, most get paid pretty well and he invested his money well too, he doesn't need that extra cash, he feels it is unnecessary to take more than your expenses when a public SERVANT.

that is an admiral ideal. I think that's the best selling point he has why doesn't he push that more?

 

[canndo]

Who is supposed to pick up the check? Who pays if the patient doesnt? The "Taxpayer"??

It is fine to want to offer the best possible healthcare to every single living individual on the planet. However, there is an ethical dilemma of robbing peter to pay paul in demanding that the "rich" fully fund socialized medicine.

Where do you get this stuff? really. If a patient is insured (and it happens to be the right insurance), then the patient gets the heart, or liver, and he likely lives. If he has neither insurance nor cash, he doesn't get the organ. Simple as that. I don't see anywhere that says anyone is demanding that the rich fully fund socialized medicine. I recall that a certain law requires that everyone pay into insurance just so the rich don't have to carry the entire load. Of course your folks balk at that as well.

 

[canndo]

200K? LOL don't be ridiculous, a heart transplant costs far more than that, try something more along the lines of $700,000. You must be getting quotes for Chinese Baboon heart transplants done in Mexico.

18 people die each day who have insurance and need a transplant. in 2008 alone 4,573 kidney patients, 1,506 liver patients, 371 heart patients and 234 lung patients died, they had insurance that would pay for all of it.

remember why we are arguing about this. Ron Paul had a staffer who didn't have insurance, he got $400,000 worth of care but died anyway. Now did he die because he didn't have insurance or did he die because he had pneumonia?

fine, maybe it was triple bypass that costs 200 k - my point is the same (as always), if you don't have the insurance or the cash - you die, if you do, you might have a chance. Paul's staffer is a singular thing - you seem to like to bring up aborations and tout those as "proof" of your assertions. It doesn't work that way in the real world. Your argument doesn't fly. In short, if you have the money or have arranged for someone to give you the money, you have a better chance of living when your health goes bad than if you don't.

 

[Brick Top]

Hell, they can't even contribute to the campaign, so like you said, its a moot point.

They could find a way to contribute financially. The Chinese found ways to contribute to one of not both of Bill Clinton's campaigns. If there is a will, there is a way. Foreign supporters could funnel money to Americans in a way that would be difficult to track, and need for someone to become suspicious of the donations in the first place to then call for them being tracked, and then they could donate it to Ron Paul.

Clinton's top campaign contributors for 1992 were Chinese agents. Clinton received funding directly from known or suspected Chinese intelligence agents, among them James and Mochtar Riady, who own the Indonesian Lippo Group; John Huang; Charlie Trie; Ted Sioeng; Maria Hsia; Wang Jun and others.


Then of course Clinton OK''d the sale of advanced missile technology to China and thanks to that their nuclear missiles that previously had been incredibly inaccurate became as accurate as those of the U.S.

Of course what helped the Chinese money buy Clinton was how his top donors in 1996 were U.S. defense contractors selling missile technology to China.

 

[UncleBuck]

Kind of funny how the media milks anything they can get off Ron Paul but completely avoids digging up trash on the competition.

you have got to be shitting me.

the media dug up so much shit on them, you must be blind.

face it, ron paul is lousy at surrounding himself with the right people. his campaign sends out classless tweets, boasts about the support of a nutjob that wants to execute gays, and completely bungles the handling of his racist newsletters.

if ron paul sucks so bad at picking campaign staff, what makes you think he will be any better at picking a cabinet?

unelectable.

 

[UncleBuck]

well that would explain his wardrobe.

the guy is swimming in his suits.

if he can't even buy a suit that fits, why would anyone trust him with the nuclear codes?

 

[NLXSK1]

the guy is swimming in his suits.

if he can't even buy a suit that fits, why would anyone trust him with the nuclear codes?

Seriously... at this point in the election they should be able to afford a tailor...

 

[UncleBuck]

 

[Brick Top]

the guy is swimming in his suits. if he can't even buy a suit that fits, why would anyone trust him with the nuclear codes?

That sounds like the people who liked JFK over Nixon because Nixon refused to wear makeup in their televised debates and he looked like a puffy faced pasty white ugly guy and JFK looked young and handsome and tan.

The interesting thing about that is in that era many people still listened to the debates on the radio and of those polled who listened on the radio said that Nixon clearly won the debates and of those polled who watched the debates on TV said JFK clearly won the debates.

That is an example of how the visual can overcome things that are more important. When people only had the candidates replies to judge them on, Nixon won. When eye candy was added to the answers, the eye candy turned the tide.

What difference should it make if a candidate is wearing an off the rack Sear suit or a $15,000.00 tailor made imported silk suit, or overalls? Isn't what they say all important and shouldn't the rest be meaningless considering that it is a president being elected and not the next American Idol or a spokesperson for some suit manufacturer?

 

[NLXSK1]

That sounds like the people who liked JFK over Nixon because Nixon refused to wear makeup in their televised debates and he looked like a puffy faced pasty white ugly guy and JFK looked young and handsome and tan.

The interesting thing about that is in that era many people still listened to the debates on the radio and of those polled who listened on the radio said that Nixon clearly won the debates and of those polled who watched the debates on TV said JFK clearly won the debates.

That is an example of how the visual can overcome things that are more important. When people only had the candidates replies to judge them on, Nixon won. When eye candy was added to the answers, the eye candy turned the tide.

What difference should it make if a candidate is wearing an off the rack Sear suit or a $15,000.00 tailor made imported silk suit, or overalls? Isn't what they say all important and shouldn't the rest be meaningless considering that it is a president being elected and not the next American Idol or a spokesperson for some suit manufacturer?

Because people stare at you if you show up at a black tie dinner in shorts and a t-shirt.

It shows lack of attention to detail.

It is great that he buys off the rack suits but fitting them is not an incredible expense and if you are playing in the big leagues it looks better if you dont look like the only guy in the room shopping at K-mart.

 

[UncleBuck]

That sounds like the people who liked JFK over Nixon because Nixon refused to wear makeup in their televised debates and he looked like a puffy faced pasty white ugly guy and JFK looked young and handsome and tan.

The interesting thing about that is in that era many people still listened to the debates on the radio and of those polled who listened on the radio said that Nixon clearly won the debates and of those polled who watched the debates on TV said JFK clearly won the debates.

That is an example of how the visual can overcome things that are more important. When people only had the candidates replies to judge them on, Nixon won. When eye candy was added to the answers, the eye candy turned the tide.

What difference should it make if a candidate is wearing an off the rack Sear suit or a $15,000.00 tailor made imported silk suit, or overalls? Isn't what they say all important and shouldn't the rest be meaningless considering that it is a president being elected and not the next American Idol or a spokesperson for some suit manufacturer?

it matters if you want to get elected, as many people vote based on who they would rather look at for the next four years, rightly or not.

good handlers know this. clearly, ron paul's handler's do not.

it is yet another hint that ron paul sucks at surrounding himself with the right people. extrapolate on this and imagine what kind of a cabinet he would pick.

 

[Brick Top]

Because people stare at you if you show up at a black tie dinner in shorts and a t-shirt.

The man is a candidate at the moment, not the president. You can bet there are tailors who make the people who become president's look presidential.

You seem more concerned how flashy or classy he would look at some black tie affair than what his policies would be.

It's just another example of how presidential campaigns have become half a beauty contest and half a likeability contest.

Obama sure had nice suits, but they didn't help him one bit once in office and he found himself overwhelmed and incapable of performing the job as it needed to be performed. His well fitting suits did not provide him with the skills and experience he lacked. They only made him look like a well dressed guy.

Nice well fitting suits do not make someone presidential timber. Obama more than proved that.

Have you never heard the old saying, don't judge a book by it's cover?

 

[NLXSK1]

The man is a candidate at the moment, not the president. You can bet there are tailors who make the people who become president's look presidential.

You seem more concerned how flashy or classy he would look at some black tie affair than what his policies would be.

It's just another example of how presidential campaigns have become half a beauty contest and half a likeability contest.

Obama sure had nice suits, but they didn't help him one bit once in office and he found himself overwhelmed and incapable of performing the job as it needed to be performed. His well fitting suits did not provide him with the skills and experience he lacked. They only made him look like a well dressed guy.

Nice well fitting suits do not make someone presidential timber. Obama more than proved that.

I am not concerned with him at all. There is 0 chance of him being president.

I am merely commenting upon the subject. If you dont look the part of the president nor act the part of the president it is hard for people to see you in that role.

I dont particularly like Romney either but you can see that he has been practicing for the last decade.

 

[UncleBuck]

Obama sure had nice suits, but they didn't help him one bit once in office and he found himself overwhelmed and incapable of performing the job as it needed to be performed.

again, i sure hated getting all those tax breaks he promised. getting to keep more of my own money, as he promised, was such a buzzkill. the government knows how to spend that money way better than i do.

and the holder memo? who needs that!?!

don't even get me started about how my wife can now buy health insurance. or about how the infrastructure improvements he promised have made my commute into town that much more efficient. i prefer when businesses have their goods idling in traffic, wasting an expensive finite resource, the cost of which they then pass onto me.

and these months upon months upon months of net job creation, after being handed an economy that was bleeding like a stuck pig, is unacceptable.

what a fucking disappointment

 

[NoDrama]

fine, maybe it was triple bypass that costs 200 k - my point is the same (as always), if you don't have the insurance or the cash - you die, if you do, you might have a chance. Paul's staffer is a singular thing - you seem to like to bring up aborations and tout those as "proof" of your assertions. It doesn't work that way in the real world. Your argument doesn't fly. In short, if you have the money or have arranged for someone to give you the money, you have a better chance of living when your health goes bad than if you don't.

I see you have changed your argument, now instead of saying it takes insurance to have a better chance to stay alive you are saying it takes money. I agree.

 

[canndo]

What difference should it make if a candidate is wearing an off the rack Sear suit or a $15,000.00 tailor made imported silk suit, or overalls? Isn't what they say all important and shouldn't the rest be meaningless considering that it is a president being elected and not the next American Idol or a spokesperson for some suit manufacturer?

It demonstrates his fundamental lack of comprehension of what the American people want, it shows that he doesn't understand the importance of perception and the value of apearance. A 21st Century president IS in part American idol and he must play to that as reasonably and as aptly as possible while still doing all the other things he needs to do.

I could show up at an interview in shorts and a tee shirt and tell the intervier that I am so smart and so capable that I don't have to impress him with the way I look and I will lose the job to a shlub who had the common sense to show a little respect and wear a suit.

 

[canndo]

The man is a candidate at the moment, not the president. You can bet there are tailors who make the people who become president's look presidential.

You seem more concerned how flashy or classy he would look at some black tie affair than what his policies would be.

It's just another example of how presidential campaigns have become half a beauty contest and half a likeability contest.

Obama sure had nice suits, but they didn't help him one bit once in office and he found himself overwhelmed and incapable of performing the job as it needed to be performed. His well fitting suits did not provide him with the skills and experience he lacked. They only made him look like a well dressed guy.

Nice well fitting suits do not make someone presidential timber. Obama more than proved that.

Have you never heard the old saying, don't judge a book by it's cover?

I've been talking about this all day. Seems like conservatives (or libertarians for that matter) have trouble differentiating between what is and what "should be". Of course you are correct, we shouldn't be electing our presidents by the suits they wear - that that is fantasy, the reality is that we do and any future president will help himself by addressing reality.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

again, i sure hated getting all those tax breaks he promised. getting to keep more of my own money, as he promised, was such a buzzkill. the government knows how to spend that money way better than i do.

and the holder memo? who needs that!?!

don't even get me started about how my wife can now buy health insurance. or about how the infrastructure improvements he promised have made my commute into town that much more efficient. i prefer when businesses have their goods idling in traffic, wasting an expensive finite resource, the cost of which they then pass onto me.

and these months upon months upon months of net job creation, after being handed an economy that was bleeding like a stuck pig, is unacceptable.

what a fucking disappointment

The tax breaks that weren't paid for? Oh, you mean the money they borrowed from China and printed out of thin air that you will have to pay back ten-fold with higher taxes in the future because they didn't cut spending to make up for the lower revenue. Yeah, that's awesome. $17 trillion in debt, here we come.

Pre-existing condition...that's awesome considering you actually still call it "insurance", I wrecked my car and I think I'll go get some "insurance" to get it fixed... any takers? Of course insurance premiums are SKYROCKETING for everyone to the point that now people who used to be able to afford it, now can't. But, that's great for your wife. Needs of the few, outweigh the needs of the many... isn't that how Spock said it?

MILLIONS of lost jobs during his presidency... MILLIONS, still hovering at a "real" unemployment number around 17%... fantastic, well worth the TRILLIONS he's spent.

And the regulations, awww yes, the regulations... doing so much to jump start business investment.

Signing and lying about the NDAA.

Breaking legal contracts.

Making a "recess appointment" when the Senate was still in session.

The list goes on and on... quite a guy.

Lowest job approval rating of any President in modern history at this point in his Presidency. He actually makes Carter look good.

I'm actually starting to hope he wins reelection, it may be the only way to hit bottom so we can once and for all be done with this Progressive bullshit.