The "I don't starve my plants before harvest" thread
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genuity
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haha..........mods.I agree! That is what I would call moderating as well.
Harrekin
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Have you not noticed yet that toilet growers on this site are a dying breed? The only people who stand beside you on that belief are the total noobs who read it in Cervantes book. Everyone else has tried flushing and not flushing, and it seems anyone who tried it actually said "I used to flush but I tried not and it was the same". All the toilet growers just keep saying "but Cervantes told me too!"
donmagicjuan
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troll thread. water is awful. the plant is done...more nutes!!
Now exactly what would that prove?
You do realize that the reasons your bud looks so nice are related to the first 90% of your grow, and has much less or little to do with how you treated the plant for the last week or 2?
And you do realize that the most common report from people that actually tried flush/no-flush is that there is NO DIFFERENCE in final product?
SirLancelot
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Im going on record to say, I do have mad respect for cervantez but the fact he gave a brief answer with no logical explination isn't enough for me to change my mind. I am very open to flushing if someone can tell/prove to me why it's soo important. ok the people who always flush say my buds are shit yet haven't tried not flushing for themselves. The people who have grown for awhile and have attempted testing flushed/unflushed weed all notice their is no difference. Myself included in this since I've done 3 tests and haven't noticed any difference. Yet were still here beating a dead horse, the thread is on repeat and now were measuring who's got the bigger dick and not so much on the logics of flushing. Im still waiting for solid evidence that flushing does something. I have done what I can to provide links/facts/answers to the topic and have been getting help from others on both sides.
Their has been no inclusive evidence that flushing/notflushing does anything. I feel the unflushed bud advocates have proved their point with some resources and study's to back them up. Yet people are still chimming in who have A never not flushed or B just flush because that's what everyone does. Everyone used to do alot of things (think cigs were safe, not wear seatbelts, eat fastfood without thinking its unhealthy) but time has showed us that these original beliefs aren't always true. Now what if Cervantez believed the world was going to end on Dec 21 like some of these nut jobs. WOuld you go wild just because some author wrote that? or would you use your own brain to make up a decision? and that's where were at with this. I don't care how credibal or uncredibale a person is if they can show some studies/facts then Im all ears but to simply flush because others say too isn't enough for me.
But Im just the kind of person that doesn't sit on the sidelines and do what others say I have to find things out on my own and see facts to go with reasoning. I respect everyone who has tried flushing and claims they DO notice a difference. I don't know what works in their grow and what works in mine certainly wont work in theres. Maybe they do, we don't know but that's only like 1 or 2 people. Is everyone starting to see a trend? as hariken pointed out New growers flush because that's what everyone does (I was also included in this category), and most of the veteran growers here don't flush because they at one time attempted to not flush a plant and then realized it's a waste of human resources to flush gallons of water into your medium with no effect on final product.
speaking of wasting human resources did you know over 6000 children die everyday in Africa from not having access to clean water. Most villages, 3 out of 5 children don't live past 5. It takes the average human 6Litres of water a day to survive, just think if you stop flushing you could potential save liveS! (wondered off topic a bit)
SO the way I look at it is not only am I not shorting my plants nutrients before harvest, wasting my time on dumping uneeded water in the medium but by me doing my part and not wasting a natural resource Im saving lives.
lol ok not first handidly but you get the idea. Is my theory of saving lives so different from the thought of rinsing out your buds? not really.
Their has been no inclusive evidence that flushing/notflushing does anything. I feel the unflushed bud advocates have proved their point with some resources and study's to back them up. Yet people are still chimming in who have A never not flushed or B just flush because that's what everyone does. Everyone used to do alot of things (think cigs were safe, not wear seatbelts, eat fastfood without thinking its unhealthy) but time has showed us that these original beliefs aren't always true. Now what if Cervantez believed the world was going to end on Dec 21 like some of these nut jobs. WOuld you go wild just because some author wrote that? or would you use your own brain to make up a decision? and that's where were at with this. I don't care how credibal or uncredibale a person is if they can show some studies/facts then Im all ears but to simply flush because others say too isn't enough for me.
But Im just the kind of person that doesn't sit on the sidelines and do what others say I have to find things out on my own and see facts to go with reasoning. I respect everyone who has tried flushing and claims they DO notice a difference. I don't know what works in their grow and what works in mine certainly wont work in theres. Maybe they do, we don't know but that's only like 1 or 2 people. Is everyone starting to see a trend? as hariken pointed out New growers flush because that's what everyone does (I was also included in this category), and most of the veteran growers here don't flush because they at one time attempted to not flush a plant and then realized it's a waste of human resources to flush gallons of water into your medium with no effect on final product.
speaking of wasting human resources did you know over 6000 children die everyday in Africa from not having access to clean water. Most villages, 3 out of 5 children don't live past 5. It takes the average human 6Litres of water a day to survive, just think if you stop flushing you could potential save liveS! (wondered off topic a bit)
SO the way I look at it is not only am I not shorting my plants nutrients before harvest, wasting my time on dumping uneeded water in the medium but by me doing my part and not wasting a natural resource Im saving lives.
lol ok not first handidly but you get the idea. Is my theory of saving lives so different from the thought of rinsing out your buds? not really.
lordjin
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Look in the mirror. Why don't you drink nothing but water for two weeks and tell me how you feel? How does this help your plant?
SUPER MODELs dont eat are drink 2 weeks before the big show..... and they are smoking.... sorry I had too.
SirLancelot
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"SUPER MODELs dont eat are drink 2 weeks before the big show..... and they are smoking.... sorry I had too."
Ths is extremely irrelevant. First off all athletes carb up the day before. Models are only walking they don't need to exert energy. there also not healthy so comparing your buds to an unhealthy human probably isn't the best measure of quality.
Ths is extremely irrelevant. First off all athletes carb up the day before. Models are only walking they don't need to exert energy. there also not healthy so comparing your buds to an unhealthy human probably isn't the best measure of quality.
rocpilefsj
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I was faily unimpressed with Jorge's response as well. I was hoping that someone of his "stature" would provide a little more than "Many uninformed people tell stories." I have nothing against the guy personally, hell I have his grow bible and used it many times in the past. I even used his video to teach me how to make bubble hash. I was disappointed that he did not bring anything constructive to the table, but I guess when you get a million e-mails a day from potheads it is probably hard to sit and go into detail with every response.
lordjin
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You made it about me and you when you flashed your $25 an eighth bud photo. It's clear you don't have a strong command of the English language, so I'm thinking you're not understanding half the things I'm saying. Why are continuing a discussion in a language you don't fully understand?
shrigpiece
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Has anyone taken note that people who said they have tried both noticed no difference? By the way the bud porn from the members on this thread looks so good i had a semi. Good work boys
shrigpiece
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Does anyone wanna see my unflushed weed, Hello anyone there lol
Well 2 things... one, if Jorge HAD elaborated would he have compelled anyone to change their mind? I mean, he's already constantly discredited and called the equivalent of a cannabis ghost writer of sorts, and not a firsthand authority on the subject.
Also, I think this subject is so irrelevant in a practical sense and not easy to demonstrate either side of the debate, he's probably not terribly passionate about defending his own personal conclusion. And we kind of know already that he wouldn't have much to back it (flushing) up with anyhow...
I guess I'm not surprised that he didn't have much to say.
rocpilefsj
Misguided Angel
I feel like a elementary school teacher... Off topic posts and fighting will not be tolerated, for the millionth time.
SirLancelot made this thread and I'm sure he doesn't appreciate it getting hijacked.
SirLancelot made this thread and I'm sure he doesn't appreciate it getting hijacked.
lordjin
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Okay, sorry. I'll stop.
I respectfully agree with the OP that flushing is not a good thing. The end.
genuity
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^^^i dont know what to say about this!
im just not the one to step down to your level,as a mod that would look bad on my part,so ill let what ever mod,that is moding,do what they do.
how to get back on topic?
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