Most Overrated Strain?

[Brick Top]

Agreeing heartily with all of this, and just to expand, max modern hybrid strain potency has probably been achieved over 20 years ago. (I say "modern hybrid" to contrast with max pure sativa/pure indica landrace potency, which was probably achieved independently in many parts of the globe HUNDREDS of years ago). Strains most definitely are NOT getting more potent every year.

Just in terms of absolute potency, "Williams Wonder" from 1990 (or earlier) is probably as strong as anything from today, and even a good cut of Northern Lights is still better than much of the stuff out there nowadays in terms of potency.

I think the biggest improvements since the 90s are in terms of FLAVOR than in pure potency.

Personally, I don't put much stock in "cannabis cups" since in my opinion they are largely formats designed to market seed companies (and more specifically to hype seed companies that advertise with the contest sponsors) rather than events that truly evaluate strain quality. If you look at the list of winners from the High Times Cannabis Cups from the last twenty years, the same company names come up again and again, and. . .surprise. . .by pure coincidence, they also happen to be big advertisers in the magazine.

That was damn near the exact same thing as I have written a number of times on a number of different grow sites.

Regardless of what MANY believe, there has NOT been any significant potency increase in years, many years. Now and then a strain will be slightly more potent, but that's all, and that's not many and it doesn't happen often.

For years what we have gotten, for the most part, are gimmicks. We got different colors and different odors and different flavors and we got feminized seeds and we got auto-flowering seeds .... and why? Because that was about all that breeders could give us because they couldn't give us increased potency.

And the Cup thing. Scott Blakey (AKA Shantibaba) saw it way back when his White Widow and White Rhino and Great White Shark and El Nino, etc. were winning Cups like mad, and Nevil was snagging them too, that it was already turning into a farce, a dog and pony show and that strains were beginning to not win by merit alone, so he said he wouldn't do any more competitions ... which in part fueled the Shantibaba - Arjan Green House Seeds breakup.

Winning a Cup means next to nothing now beyond the advertising and bragging rights that sucker in those who don't know any better than to believe there is still validity in a Cup win.

Someone was always given at least a second or third place win if they advertised enough, and or paid off the right people, like Arjan was caught trying to do one year and got Green House Seeds banned from the competition that year .. which was the straw that broke the camel's back, or as Kelly Bundy so eloquently put it, "the squaw that stroked the camel's sack," and led to Nevil selling out his portion of the Green House Seeds Coffee Shop and bolting, with his genetics, just as Shantibaba did before him from Green House Seeds.

All a Cup win is, is the chance to make use of a ton of propaganda for a year and claim to have the greatest strain in the world right now, but that chance was bought and paid for and NOT actually won and not won on merit and merit alone.

 

[SSHZ]

Remember, the cup is run by High Times and they routinely favor seed banks and breeders that advertise in their magazine.

 

[smellzlikeskunkyum]

Purple anything... Kush... Diesel. people dont understand that other strains are just as potent and tasty if not better. it really DOES depend on how u grow it, most genetics on the market nowadays wil give u a potent tasty product. plus people dont understand what "kush" REALLY means. og kush is not a true kush. and too many different diesel strains now... never know what you'll get.
Nirvana Chrystal is one of the most potent and easiest to grow strains ive ever had the pleasure of experiencing. Chrystal should be MUCH more popular, sweet fruity taste, powerful mixed high, very vigorous and easy to grow, fast flowering, hardly any leaves at all, filthy covered in trichomes, great yield.... i mean what else can u ask for really?

just thought id aslo add, i have smoked a good super lemon haze bud once, but i think its a terrible strain overall... thats another highly over -rated strain IMO. Dj shorts blueberry didnt impress me either, from multiple growers and phenos too.

 

[cotchept]

Are you serious?
Jack the ripper is one of subs heavy yielders and sour diesel buzz last longer than that.. I'm growing it and I live in the city of it!

Sour Diesel might be the most overrated strain in the past few years. So much awful outdoor grown SourD floods the market and even a nice indoor finished version doesn't have much going for it other than smell and taste. I do like some Sour crosses though. But what do I know? You live in the city of it. Not seeing the connection there btw, sour d was not bred in nyc. Neither was NYC Diesel for that matter. Another overrated strain.

As for the JTR, maybe lower shorter phenos yield well but this one that I'm running right now that goes 10 weeks sure doesn't. Not a knock on Subcool either. Ran the Querkle right next to it that I love. It put out about 3x as much as the JTR did.

 

[Fatty R Buckle]

T.H. Seeds Darkstar , blue berry and fem seeds...

 

[drstrangebud]

Nirvana Chrystal is one of the most potent and easiest to grow strains ive ever had the pleasure of experiencing. Chrystal should be MUCH more popular, sweet fruity taste, powerful mixed high, very vigorous and easy to grow, fast flowering, hardly any leaves at all, filthy covered in trichomes, great yield.... i mean what else can u ask for really.

I’ve grown Chrystal off and on since 99; love the strain it’s one of nirvana’s winners for sure. I always do two 10 pack regular then sex out and flower the female after taking cuttings. I then select the best clones from the fast and strongest mother to carry on. I had a female that finished in 47 days grew it for 3 years tell the clones degraded over time [genic drift]. Wish I’d know how to make female seed back then. I just bought 20 back in Oct the females have been flowering for 29 days now and the progress of the 9 female are all over the map. I have one that is far ahead in weight and maturity than the rest. I agree that more info should given out on pheno types from the breeders

 

[Miyagi]

Last year I spent a bit of time in the dam specifically just testing as many "legendary" strains as possible and as many variants of each strain as possible. I have a very high tollerance and was disappointed with almost everything. Some of the legends were nice but not impressive. Couldn't find a Widow or AK that impressed me, only found one place with a nice blueberry pheno that actually had a little colour and smell but was more amazed by Barney's Blue cheese. My girl says all weed smells like weed but when I opened the bag she said "Wow that smells like blueberries!" And it did, far more than even the best blueberry and was tastier and stronger. Tried at least 2 other Blue Cheese and was not impressed. Barney's vanilla kush has an impressive vanilla aroma but tastes like arse. Maui Wowie was shit, out of 96 documented strains on that trip, only about 5 made the wishlist and the only ones that blew me away were the old Nev's Haze and Northern Lights. No impressive skunks or anything so in my opinion it's all overated unless you are getting a kick arse clone or a lucky keeper from a seed.
Peace y'all!

 

[Omgwtfbbq Indicaman]

because the weed you purchase at the Dam gets no love, its just commercial grade.

 

[hazey grapes]

DIESEL!

i've had some unkown diesel i scored and an onyx UFO that i hated because of the vile abomination to mother earth truck stop oil stain taste that doesn't agree with my supertaster extra taste buds one bit. the bag diesel had at least a decent buzz and the onyx had a freakin' awesome buzz, but that global warming celebration flavor has just got to go. i'll never get how anyone can think sucking on a diesel tailpipe is "tasty" when it's foul to me. now take some ORIGINAL burn your lips hot crushed red pepper tasting ORIGINAL kali mist, THAT's delicious to me, but apparently all the can't stand anything spicy wusses ruined THAT so it could be demoted to "spicy & fruity" now. BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! those are the same can't taste worth beans smokers that probably like diesel... it isn't spicy, so foul doesn't bother them as much

my FIRST response was actually blueberry and is probably the more accurate reply as it was THE most favorited strain by a couple votes against haze in an informal thread a few years ago. i'm not at all impressed by it myself. the buzz has too much couchlock, comparable to skunk #1 and the flavor isn't all that special either the 2 different times i scored some. blueberry isn't my favorite flavor in the world to begin with, but i was surprised at just how weak the flavor really is and how artificial it is too. it tastes exatly like you have one grain of artificially flavored sugar on your tongue. i've had several strains with stronger & more authentic flavors like super cali haze's grapes, pineapple, overly floral lavender and even disgusting black licorice tasting durban poison. the most positive thing i can say about blueberry is that it's better than all of the detestable nothing but skunk & stone crap that pollutes MOST of the streets. i'd take almost any strain i've grown myself including not so yummy cigar wrapper tasting haze skunk over that any day for superior zero couchlock buzzes and some strains are even tasty too. even joey weed's extinct haze pheno C99s with their grape undertones are better as the grape flavor is about as strong and the buzz is better too.


REALLY i just like to point my finger and say ALL indica & stone dominant strains that are most of the market suck and as such are overrated by popularity they don't deserve, but you asked to name names

 

[Miyagi]

because the weed you purchase at the Dam gets no love, its just commercial grade.

Some, yes, esp if you are a cup judge but there is still a lot of good weed there, as good as any I've come across in Canada, US, NZ, AU, etc. Just not up to the hype for someone who grows and smokes the best dank all day!

 

[Jogro]

Remember, the cup is run by High Times and they routinely favor seed banks and breeders that advertise in their magazine.

Agreeing with above, I'm not privy to the entry criteria, but I'm pretty sure that the various contests in the cup are NOT open to all comers, and that the entries are NOT judged in a truly "blinded" manner.

My question is, in the last 15 years has there been even one winner of the HTCC who was NOT a major advertiser in the magazine?

I think it would be a pretty interesting exercise to compare the cup winners in any given year with the amount of square inches of ad copy purchased by the company in question during the previous year and see how well they correlated. I bet there is a pretty good correlation.

 

[Jer La Mota]

I find the Industry has been flooded with Kush this, Kush that .. at the end,Kush is Indica cannabis from Afghanistan and such, the word Kush has been sensationalized to a point of boredom imo
Other than that an overrated strain is one that gets too much promotions .. from the likes of .. GHSC, Barneys's, DNA ..

 

[RawBudzski]

Kush is everywhere because of Demand. PPL just like Indicas.

Here in so cal, Indica is worth more than sativa to many. Smoke & price wise. So over time, many OGs, Kushs, and indica dom hybrids become more & more popular.

 

[peacenikchick]

Greenhouse's White Rhino, Big Bang, El Nino, won't grow them again, sorry ghs! but liked their white widow, himalayan gold

 

[ResidualFreedom]

Greenhouse's White Rhino, Big Bang, El Nino, won't grow them again, sorry ghs! but liked their white widow, himalayan gold

couldn't agree more... got a killer super lemon haze going right now though... such a bold lemon smell its amazing..

 

[Smorg]

So reading this thread, the ones to grow for sure are:

Sensi Seeds - Skunk #1

Mr Nice Seeds - Black Widow

GHS - Super Lemon Haze

Nirvana - Chrysttal

Good selection right there?

 

[Brick Top]

Originally Posted by Brick Top

The strain name is, according to the Mr. Nice site, G13Widow ... some seedbanks call it G13 X Widow ... neither Black nor White is found in the name on the Mr. Nice Seeds site, or other places I can remember seeing the strain, but the genetics are Afghan/skunk, South Indian, Brazilian .. and the Brazilian sativa crossed with the South Indian indica is Black Widow ... and I HIGHLY doubt that Scott Blakey (Shantibaba) would EVER use some knockoff of someone elses in place of his original genetics.

• G13 x Widow »»» G13 x Black Widow
• G13
  • Indica
• Black Widow The Original
  • White Widow
    • »»» Brazil x India
    • Brazil »»» Sativa
    • India »»» Indica

I see that your correct on that it's simply called widow on Mr.Nice's site... attitude has it listed as "White"
http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/mr-nice-g13-widow/prod_1229.html

No, matter I'll be popping these soon enough... hopefully there is not a piney smell lol

I did look on Attitude and it's called "Mr Nice Seeds G13 Widow" there, I also saw where someone did make the error to type; "Genetics : G13 x White Widow" in the description. With as much as people have heard about and talked about "White Widow" over the years I'm sure that it's an almost instinctual thing to call it "White" by many .. and that likely led to what would equate to a typing error.

I feel highly confident that you can trust the breeder, Scott Blakey (AKA Shantibaba), to be the more accurate one about the strain between himself and Attitude.

 

[Olde Toby]

Well I have to agree about blueberry The dutch passion version is midgrade at best and dj's has lots of variation but the strongest plant I have smoked to date was a crinkly blueberry from dj short! It was my first ever grow and did not know nothing and still that little bastard was strong!!
I am still looking for something like that plant 15 years later!

I'm having that same exact situation right now. About 4 yrs ago I let go the dankest, sweetest, fruitiest blueberry (DJ Short) I've ever had because I needed the space to start new strains. Bad move, I've tried Dutch passion & quite a few others (D.P. was the worst)& now I'm halfway through a10 pack of DJ Short trying to nail down that same old pheno. So far 1 male, 2 of the weak green pheno and 2 slightly fruity purples 1 of which produced hermies at about 6-7 weeks. Still lookin tho

 

[SketchyGrower]

I did look on Attitude and it's called "Mr Nice Seeds G13 Widow" there, I also saw where someone did make the error to type; "Genetics : G13 x White Widow" in the description. With as much as people have heard about and talked about "White Widow" over the years I'm sure that it's an almost instinctual thing to call it "White" by many .. and that likely led to what would equate to a typing error.

I feel highly confident that you can trust the breeder, Scott Blakey (AKA Shantibaba), to be the more accurate one about the strain
between himself and Attitude.

Right on brick top.

Do you have a favorite strain?

 

[canna_420]

Kush is everywhere because of Demand. PPL just like Indicas.

Here in so cal, Indica is worth more than sativa to many. Smoke & price wise. So over time, many OGs, Kushs, and indica dom hybrids become more & more popular.

a true kush like citral as a sativa like stone. so sativas will take a back seat over growing time.

companies are just re releasing citral hybrids