LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

Undercover Cop

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So can someone clear this up for me. Are the coral waves good for flower? And how much UV do thy have.? I am going to order
two of the flora suns , I have 1 coral wave. Should I get another?


I consider the CWs a blue/actinic with an infrared bonus, I use them to supplement blues in flower and enjoy the IRs role in triggering the flowering response. They have very little UV (nothing below 400nm). I use them exclusively in flower, the IR would not be utilized in veg so I would use a pure blue tube in that stage (ReefWave or BlueWave). Google image search "wavepoint spectrum" or spd and you'll find their charts. The CW is a ReefWave w IR @740-760nm.


Myles I'll get a pic for ya when I get home, its in the middle in the pics of the houseplants , next to the clay pot, short little thing.
 

BlueB

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BlueB I don't see any links to the pics

Do you think the combination of Red Lifes + FloroSuns is too much 600- 630?
Is anyone else not seeing the photos? I don't know if it's the wavelength or the fact that the Red Sun is a red only bulb. It's possible that my fixture is not far enough away for the red sun to blend? Either way, I'm not using the red sun anymore.!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!

Plants really prefer 650-690 part of the red spectrum. Orange not so much. I haven't finished any flowers under the T5's yet so everything I recommend for flower is just speculative.

I went and got a Sour D cutting again after messing the last one up. The only problem is, the Sour D cutting comes with a helping of thrips. I'm going to let it root first so I don't stress the cutting before it can get established and will keep it quarantined away from my other plants. Thrips suck, they are little bitches to get rid of. Does anyone have or know about any useful tools for zapping thrips back to where they belong? I use Go Gnats that has cedar oil, but the shit is quite powerful and damaging to the leaf. Pyrethrin doesn't really work for thrips, is there a safe, non-toxic preferable method for these microscopic maggot fuckers that anyone knows of?
 

BlueB

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I consider the CWs a blue/actinic with an infrared bonus, I use them to supplement blues in flower and enjoy the IRs role in triggering the flowering response. They have very little UV (nothing below 400nm). I use them exclusively in flower, the IR would not be utilized in veg so I would use a pure blue tube in that stage (ReefWave or BlueWave). Google image search "wavepoint spectrum" or spd and you'll find their charts. The CW is a ReefWave w IR @740-760nm.


Myles I'll get a pic for ya when I get home, its in the middle in the pics of the houseplants , next to the clay pot, short little thing.
I was checking out the Giesemann bulbs the other day. Another really good blue bulb is the Giesemann Actinic Plus. Check out the spectral analysis. The Midday ones look like a good bulb for the 470 wavelength. They have some yellow though. :(

I'm not having much luck with the ATI Blue Plus. The Actinics seem to work better for me. I guess the strain I have prefers deeper blues and reds or something. Either way, it's all experimental so grab some bulbs and start cookin some phosphor.
 

Undercover Cop

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I was checking out the Giesemann bulbs the other day. Another really good blue bulb is the Giesemann Actinic Plus. Check out the spectral analysis. The Midday ones look like a good bulb for the 470 wavelength. They have some yellow though. :(

I'm not having much luck with the ATI Blue Plus. The Actinics seem to work better for me. I guess the strain I have prefers deeper blues and reds or something. Either way, it's all experimental so grab some bulbs and start cookin some phosphor.
I consider blue a dime a dozen (its hard to find a bulb that doesn't have blue... red suns and???) so I go with the cheapest... Wavepoint bulbs at 10$ are close to as cheap as they come.

And I haven't seen any of the pics you've posted yet. Use the uploader to browse and select pics to insert (if you had been copy/pasting)
 

BlueB

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I consider blue a dime a dozen (its hard to find a bulb that doesn't have blue... red suns and???) so I go with the cheapest... Wavepoint bulbs at 10$ are close to as cheap as they come.And I haven't seen any of the pics you've posted yet. Use the uploader to browse and select pics to insert (if you had been copy/pasting)
Here are photos that I have posted recently. Isn't anyone seeing them? I don't understand why you guys can't see them, I see them just fine. Is anyone else having a problem viewing photos I've posted recently?I've been uploading and also using the Img with the [ around it to post without the link. Must not be working? Anyway IF you guys can see these photos. In the photo of the 2 leaves, the HPS leaf is on the left and PUR T5 on the right. Yayyyy! The 50/50 coral wave/flora sun is the photo of the fixture. The leaf tops that are under the Red Sun (do not look nice) and the leaf tops that are under the actinic/flora that do look nice(this is the photo that has more blue. The Fiji Purple analysis, and a light graph of what certain types of coral photosynthesize. Notice that the Fiji Purple emits light that coral respond well to. (These are photos I posted ahile ago. Not sure if you guys didn't get to see these.) Let me know if the photos didn't come through. :(
 

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BlueB

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Azamax + neem oil, Applying once every 3 days for a week to the top and bottom sides of the leaf, than one more time in 7 days has worked for me.
Cool Thanks!

Got these this time, and the graphs previously, but not all of the pics before
Awesome! I will post photos as attachments from now on, I don't know why the [[ Img code didn't work that time. Worked all the other times. Oh well,
thanks for letting me know anyway.
 

UnderCurrentDWC

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Here's what's happened in a week using the bulbs in my sig.

For scale the net pots are 6"


And here's a pic being filtered and without, I feel the filtered pic shows the truer color of the bulbs.

Filtered

Actanic+, Redsun, 454, 75.25, fiji, actinc+, redsun, 454


Unfiltered


Actanic+, Redsun, 454, 75.25, fiji, actinc+, redsun, 454
 

Phaeton

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I mixed in the new arcadia 12% UVB T5's with the reds in my sidelights. The UVB measured triple the output at 8" over reptisun 10. 432 uw UVB versus 152 uw for the reptisun 10.
T5 group.jpgT8 group.jpg8 inches, arcadia D3+.jpg8 inches, reptisun 10.jpg

The single T5 arcadia in the four bulb fixture puts 275 uw into the canopy, on the buds.
The three reptisun 10 T8's in the six bulb fixture put 140 uw into the canopy. Less falloff due to multiple bulbs.
Not pictured are the naturesun, they put 24 uw into the canopy, 98% CRI. Light duty for clones/veg.

Into the canopy is 18 inches from the sidelights, roughly. I fit between the plants and the sidelights and walk the perimeter with the meter held in the first row of leaves.

LED, HID, UVB, Red.jpg

The sidelights with both red sun and flora sun give a pretty continuous orange-red 600 though 660 nm, seems to negate some of the stretch caused by red/far red ratio's in the canopy.
The UV just tries to stunt everything it touches. The plants getting 275 uw will have less yield, but a stronger creep effect.
 

BlueB

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UnderCurrentDWC, could you please list your bulbs from left to right? I know they are in your signature, but I don't know which is which in your fixture and how many of each. I think bulb order is somewhat important and it obviously is working for you!!!! What is the minimum height you keep your bulbs away from your canopy? Thanks.

To All:
I'm going to do a seed order soon. Here is a list of seeds I want to order, but I would like to narrow it down to just a few. Has anyone tried any of these strains or would or would not recommend any?
1. California Orange
2. Space Queen
3. Space Bomb
4. SAGE n Sour
5. Ace of Spades
6. Fruity Juice (Sensi)
7. Lavender (Soma)

Any other recommendations to add to the list are welcome.
 

hyroot

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UnderCurrentDWC, could you please list your bulbs from left to right? I know they are in your signature, but I don't know which is which in your fixture and how many of each. I think bulb order is somewhat important and it obviously is working for you!!!! What is the minimum height you keep your bulbs away from your canopy? Thanks.

To All:
I'm going to do a seed order soon. Here is a list of seeds I want to order, but I would like to narrow it down to just a few. Has anyone tried any of these strains or would or would not recommend any?
1. California Orange
2. Space Queen
3. Space Bomb
4. SAGE n Sour
5. Ace of Spades
6. Fruity Juice (Sensi)
7. Lavender (Soma)

Any other recommendations to add to the list are welcome.
I did lavender a few years back. It was really good and a nice yielder. Tasted exactly like the description. Like hash from nepal. Check out somas rockbud. Im doing that now. So bommy. I want to try his citrilah and somango.
 

BlueB

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I mixed in the new arcadia 12% UVB T5's with the reds in my sidelights. The UVB measured triple the output at 8" over reptisun 10. 432 uw UVB versus 152 uw for the reptisun 10.The single T5 arcadia in the four bulb fixture puts 275 uw into the canopy, on the buds.The three reptisun 10 T8's in the six bulb fixture put 140 uw into the canopy. Less falloff due to multiple bulbs.Not pictured are the naturesun, they put 24 uw into the canopy, 98% CRI. Light duty for clones/veg.Into the canopy is 18 inches from the sidelights, roughly. I fit between the plants and the sidelights and walk the perimeter with the meter held in the first row of leaves.View attachment 2038930The sidelights with both red sun and flora sun give a pretty continuous orange-red 600 though 660 nm, seems to negate some of the stretch caused by red/far red ratio's in the canopy.The UV just tries to stunt everything it touches. The plants getting 275 uw will have less yield, but a stronger creep effect.
What strain ya got there? Could you take a close up bud shot please?


Here it is, my FINAL LIGHT MIXTURE. For sure this time, I will not be changing it after much thought and experimentation, trial and error. I swear, I will be keeping this mixture. LOLtop final.jpgspectral purple 2.jpgFinal Fixture.jpg
From left to right, Flora Sun, Coral Wave, Flora Sun, CA plant grow,Flora Sun, Coral Wave, Flora Sun, CA plant grow. :):leaf::bigjoint::peace:bongsmilie:leaf::)
 

overTHEman

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Having reached the end of my first PAR T5 grow, I now have a review of the setup. Copied from my journal:

The use of PAR T5 lighting was a pleasing and effective method to maximize the return on investment in this small space. During the planning stages, the tent was intended to be a seedling/clone space; a 2 foot 4 bulb T5 fixture with 6,500k bulbs was purchased under this assumption. When the plan changed, a decision had to be made: get a small HPS, switch to CFLs, purchase 3,000k T5 bulbs, or a combination plan. Out of the actinic, I stumbled on the pr0fesseur’s thread. He offered a way to maximize ROI using the T5 fixture through the implementation of aquarium bulbs. A combination of 50/50 red/blue was recommended for a 4 bulb fixture. 2x Fiji Purple, 1x UVL Red Sun, 1x UVL 454 were purchased from ReefGeek and installed. This combination was very successful. It produced healthy, green growth with compact internodes while using only 96w of electricity with little extraneous heat. During flowering, the buds developed quickly and started packing on the trichs. At the time of purchase, the Fiji Purple was believed to be 50/50 red/blue; however, I believe that it is dominant in the blue spectrum and until this can be confirmed or denied from multiple sources, I believe that it should not be the “base” bulb. Please note that this bulb is unique in its output and similar results with different “purple” bulbs have yet to be shown. If a four bulb fixture is used, this could be better employed as a filler bulb in a red dominant combination: RedSun, Coral Wave, Fiji, RedSun; Fiji, RedSun, Fiji, RedSun; or RedSun, 454, Fiji, RedSun - for example. Given the space, heat, internodal length, and resin production: 5/5 rating (with room for improvement).

Thank you, pr0fesseur and PAR T5 community. I am grateful to be able to participate and I hope that my experience has contributed to this thread.



 

BlueB

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nice lookin buds man! BTW, the Fiji Purple graph has already been released. You can find it one page back. The analysis was done on a $4000 spectrometer so I wouldn't question the accuracy! They guy who performed the analysis has a Phd in physics so I highly doubt we need anyone else to prove the graph right or wrong, but sorry if you haven't been informed already. LOL

The spectral output of the Fiji Purple closely resembles the photosynthetic reaction requirements of some saltwater corals that aquarists use in their tanks. Thats why it is mostly 420-440 blue with only a touch of (6%) red at the 615nm wavelength. It is most definately not a good base bulb, but that doesn't mean for every strain. I was running 50% actinic and my plants sucked that light right up. I believe the Kush I have is from the Himalayan Mountains. Blue light is good for the plants, I really don't think that cannabis can get enough of the blue.

As far as red light goes, just buy some 660nm par38 led bulbs and hang them around your fixture. They last a long ass time and are relatively inexpensive and will complete the perfect growing spectrum. Let's face it, the only T5 bulbs that have the 660nm in them only consist of around 20% red and to be ideal for flowering it should be more like 77% red. On a positive note however, the grows that we have been doing with the PUR T5's are much, much nicer than using the 6500K GREEN bulbs that are supplied with most every fixture. Can't complain about that now can we? I know that people have been using the 630nm redsun bulbs with success, but it would be really nice for those who have been using them to try switching to a couple 660nm par38 to fill in the red requirement and compare their grows to see if it is any better. Aren't there some T5 types of LED strips that fit in our fixture?? I'm thinking of just building my own 660nm LED strips to stick in between my blue bulbs, to get that deeper red the plants really use.
 
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