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mindphuk

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No prob with mags full but a loaded chamber is a bad idea, most safety's only stop trigger pull, not the pin movement, as for them being in unfit shape, it doesn't matter a hard bump will get most firing pins to move
Bullshit. You don't know much about firearms if you think the only safety is a trigger block. Why do virtually all LEO and gun experts carry condition 1? Again, I'm not talking about antiques but modern weapons. Guns do not discharge from a hard bump. A firing pin has to more than just move and touch the primer, it has to have impart force. Find me a web reference from a qualified firearms expert that agrees with your claim. Post a link and prove me wrong.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Bullshit. You don't know much about firearms if you think the only safety is a trigger block. Why do virtually all LEO and gun experts carry condition 1? Again, I'm not talking about antiques but modern weapons. Guns do not discharge from a hard bump. A firing pin has to more than just move and touch the primer, it has to have impart force. Find me a web reference from a qualified firearms expert that agrees with your claim. Post a link and prove me wrong.
I have three very modern firearms that are potentially susceptible to a drop-fire. They're single-action thumpers from Freedom Arms. Mind you; they're not very well-suited as combat weapons. The best prevention is to load one shy of full, and to keep the hammer over the empty chamber until firing time. cn
 

Moses Mobetta

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Bullshit. You don't know much about firearms if you think the only safety is a trigger block. Why do virtually all LEO and gun experts carry condition 1? Again, I'm not talking about antiques but modern weapons. Guns do not discharge from a hard bump. A firing pin has to more than just move and touch the primer, it has to have impart force. Find me a web reference from a qualified firearms expert that agrees with your claim. Post a link and prove me wrong.
I would have shot myself at least fifty times by now if that were true . lol
 

Moses Mobetta

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I have three very modern firearms that are potentially susceptible to a drop-fire. They're single-action thumpers from Freedom Arms. Mind you; they're not very well-suited as combat weapons. The best prevention is to load one shy of full, and to keep the hammer over the empty chamber until firing time. cn
Thats scary , I only have good quality firearms , something more dependable , ones that don't stove pipe on you . Smith & Wesson or other top brands are all I would consider having .
 

cannabineer

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Thats scary , I only have good quality firearms , something more dependable , ones that don't stove pipe on you . Smith & Wesson or other top brands are all I would consider having .
Freedom Arms guns are of effectively unmatched quality. They are made and sold as hunting guns however. The quality of the machining, fitment and metallurgy define the state of the art imo. cn

www.freedomarms.com
 

dababydroman

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if what were true?

bottom line should be dont drop your fuckin firearm! thats gun safety. and keeping your guns loaded or not, i guess would depend on how experianced you are, and how well you practice gun safety, whos in the house, the crime rate in your area.
 

Moses Mobetta

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I would look before impugning the quality of Freedom Arms. Just sayin. cn
I never heard of them , but I am not an expert in firearms either . Any firearm that could be impact sensitive concerns me . Been shot before so maybe I'm just edgy . All I've owned are S&W , Ruger , Sig , and a Winchester .
 
everybody a really good gun is the benelli mr1 home defense rifle! look it up! benelli is by far the company with the most advanced systems for their rifles and shottys! remember they invented the A.R.G.O system and other cool stuff for guns!
 

mindphuk

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I have three very modern firearms that are potentially susceptible to a drop-fire. They're single-action thumpers from Freedom Arms. Mind you; they're not very well-suited as combat weapons. The best prevention is to load one shy of full, and to keep the hammer over the empty chamber until firing time. cn
Single action revolvers are certainly an exception which is why I mentioned antiques and that would include any modern revolver replicas used for cowboy action shooting which is basically what those Freedom Arms are sold for. Anyone that owns a single action should understand that you store it with the hammer over an empty chamber.

If you have a gun that doesn't have a drop safety, it is not going to be a good choice for a home defense weapon IMO. However, someone telling me that it is dangerous to keep a round in the chamber after I disclosed the actual guns I use, doesn't know what they are talking about. Every firearms expert will tell you the same thing.
 

smokinrav

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They go through all that trouble to design, engineer and build a collapsable machine gun, and then go with the $2 AA powered mini mag for the flashlight? Seriously, do they have any idea of the state of flashlight technology today? They make 1000 lumen $75 flashlights with effective ranges measured by the kilometer and barely 10" long. You could stop a bad guy or intruder by just blinding his ass.
 

dababydroman

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They go through all that trouble to design, engineer and build a collapsable machine gun, and then go with the $2 AA powered mini mag for the flashlight? Seriously, do they have any idea of the state of flashlight technology today? They make 1000 lumen $75 flashlights with effective ranges measured by the kilometer and barely 10" long. You could stop a bad guy or intruder by just blinding his ass.
lol .
 

smokinrav

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I wasn't kidding. This is the biggest flashlight I've ever seen. 2000 lumens, $200 and 9" long


• PURE POWER 2000 LM: Ultra-Bright LEDs Capable of 2000 Lumens
• ULTRA POWERFUL LED TECHNOLOGY: Emits a much stronger beam of light much further than any halogen based flashlight.
• 5 MODES: High, Medium, Low, SOS and Strobe
• RECHARGEABLE BATTERY: Lithium-Ion, recharges over 500 times
• CROSS-DIAMOND GRIP: Precision cut grip covers most of the battery pack/stem.
• MILITARY-GRADE ALUMINUM: Strong aluminum shell is light weight but strong
• WEATHER RESISTANT: Water resistant and designed to work in all weather conditions.
• COMPACT SIZE: 8.75 Inches long
• LONG BULB LIFESPAN: 3,000 hour bulb lifespan


 

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bowlfullofbliss

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Boy all this talk about dropping guns around.....damn stoners :).

I'm curious how my primary carry would handle a drop. Probably fine, but it's a S & W M&P .40. It has no real safety, just a 6.5 lb trigger pull with a finger tip extra glide on the trigger. It's a draw and shoot.....I guess some people have shot themselves in the leg drawing. My Spingfield carry at least has a palm safty as well as the trigger glide. Thats probably the wrong term, not sure what to call that. It sure ain't a safety though!

I just prefer not to drop them.....
 

RoninAmok

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Looks like a very uncomfortable way to walk the dog. A little 4 inch streamlight flashlight is all I need to walk the dog and if I'm walking the dog stopping power isn't an issue. Your never gonna beat the .45 Colt with good old fashioned ball ammo for stopping power at a good price. Stopping power is situational. I guess a 1 oz copper solid has more stopping power than a .223.5.56 but I am equally afraid of both.:-?

My dog walking weapon of choice has been an N. American Arms 5 shot .22 magnum single action revolver for years. You drop it in your pocket like a pocket knife. I live in the burbs so I'm just thinking yotes but I'll tell you the .22 magnum round is an angry little bee. N.A. Arms just came out with a break action model so you don't have to pull the cylinder pin to load Sweet little gun but if I have to reload a .22 I'm screwed anyway. :D

BALL? Don't care much about overpenetration do you , and news for you fmj ammo ain't really noted for stopping power. And what's with the crap about " copper solids ".? Do you even know what a real solid is utilised for? And you aren't carrying an ounce slug in *any* sidearm .

You want *real* stopping slugs in .45 acp then look to the 210 grain Hydrashok copy or the 200 or 185 grain JHPs , there are quite a few decent ones out there , 7.5 grains of Alliant Power pistol pushes any one of these to around 900 fps or better out of my fullsize Sigs or 1911s ( Springfield) , a bit less out of the 220c. I generally keep a lot of the Hornady XTP 200 grain JHPs loaded as just all-round type ammo.
 

RoninAmok

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Where do you get the idea that ball (FMJ) ammo has better stopping power than hollowpoint? Modern self-defense JHP ammunition is designed specifically to impart more of its kinetic energy and cause more destruction to soft tissue in a person rather than just zip through leaving a couple of small holes. So yes, I can easily beat a .45 ACP FMJ with a smaller caliber expanding bullet. Of course if you have a 1911 then FMJ may be your only option to avoid feed and jamming problems but please don't claim that 'it can't be beat.'

BTW, what the hell is a '1 oz. copper solid'? The heaviest .45 ammo I know is about 260 gr. and they still use copper only for the jacket, lead for the core AFAIK.
The 260s are useless in .45 acp , flying wwwayyyy too slow for expansion. Now 260 works well in .45 LC , but then that's .458 and more powder cpacity.
 

RoninAmok

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Single action revolvers are certainly an exception which is why I mentioned antiques and that would include any modern revolver replicas used for cowboy action shooting which is basically what those Freedom Arms are sold for. Anyone that owns a single action should understand that you store it with the hammer over an empty chamber.

If you have a gun that doesn't have a drop safety, it is not going to be a good choice for a home defense weapon IMO. However, someone telling me that it is dangerous to keep a round in the chamber after I disclosed the actual guns I use, doesn't know what they are talking about. Every firearms expert will tell you the same thing.

Actually you're incorrect , modern single actions are subject to the same drop tests as anything else and don't fail 'em , that's an old wives tale applicable only to the older single actions.
 
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