londonfog
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How about you just qoute my racist qoute...I say you lie
trayvan martin
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cliffey501
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What if they would have both had guns and both decided to stand their ground at the exact same time.Pulled and fired at the exact same time and died at the exact same time? Now that would be a story.
londonfog
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One of the very reasons that "stand your ground" law needs to be revisited. turning this country into the Wild Wild West
NLXSK1
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Speaking from experience, I find the wild west to be much more polite than the no-gun police state that is Chicago.
Harrekin
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Did you need to add the extra "Wild" there for emphasis? What are you? Will Smith or something?
londonfog
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Actually "The Wild Wild West" was first a tv series that ran from 65-69. Now go tell someone you just learned something.
desert dude
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Don't have much time as I have to go to work, but here is a quick explanation:
Under Florida's SYG law Trayvon's action might have been legitimate. He was followed by an unknown man on a dark, rainy night. The man approached him and Trayvon sees that he is armed. Fearing for his life, Trayvon punches the man and knocks him to the ground. He then climbs on top and proceeds to bash his skull into the ground until the man (Zimmer) is immobile. Zimmer dies. Trayvon claims he feared for his own life. Given that set of circumstances, Trayvon would probably be shielded by SYG.
Zimmer was acting as a neighborhood watchman. he observes a suspicious person eyeballing homes in a neighborhood plagued by burglaries. He approached the man (Trayvon) and asks him what he is doing in the neighborhood. Annoyed that he is being questioned by a stranger Trayvon punches the stranger (Zimmer) in the face knocking him to the ground, then mounts him and proceeds to wail on him. Zimmer, fearing for his life, manages to draw his legal weapon and puts a round through Trayvon's chest. Trayvon expires. Given that set of circumstances, Zimmer is shielded by SYG.
Scenario two seems to be what happened.
Maybe you've seen a better quality one that I have. I couldnt tell. A "solid" broken nose does give you 2 black eyes.
RyanTheRhino
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50 more pages in one night 
desert dude
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Having grown up in Chicago and now living in the wild, wild west, I have to agree.
That's another thing. why were the manslaughter charges not pursued?
You're not saying that makes it justified for Martin to attack him are you?
cliffey501
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Not enough evidence for a conviction.
MuyLocoNC
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I don't think it's you being racist, but it's definitely you repeating and propagating a false assertion from a racist element of the people who are rushing to convict Zimmerman in the court of public opinion. I've listened to the recording dozens of times and it clearly sounds like he says punks. A tv station in Florida, not looking to exonerate Zimm, hired an expert in voice analyzation and it was determined he did not say "coon". Maybe the expert is wrong, but the EVIDENCE so far would favor the position he didn't say it, so continuing to use it in debate facing that evidence to the contrary, could be perceived as "racist" by some.
really comfy slippers
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Thank you sir. I appreciate it. Next time save your arrogant shit for someone who is actually incoherent and illiterate.
Zimmerman is a self appointed watchman.. Which holds Zero weight in the eyes of the law. Same reason those self appointed super heros go to jail after mollywhopping a car jacker.. When he stepped out of his vehicle, his SYG case goes out of the window... He went to Trayvan's ground. You can't Claim SYG when you approach the other party or when someone starts to defend themself an starts handing you a beating. In my opinion.
cliffey501
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Zimmermans story is he was approached by martin as he was walking back to his truck.
MuyLocoNC
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If and it's a big "if", Zimmerman did indeed turn his back on Trayvan and procede to "retreat" to his vehicle as he has consistantly claimed from the first questioning by the police, and Trayvan attacked him as he was "retreating" to his vehicle, then he absolutely can claim SYG. I certainly can't say that's how it went down, but if it's determined that scenario is factual, he most likely walks. Everything up to the point he turns to "retreat" to his vehicle is meaningless as NONE of it was illegal. That's probably what this case is going to come down to and it's probably why he's walking the streets right now.
londonfog
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Not at all. I was asking the question as to what Zimmerman said.. I really wanted to know did he say coon, goon or what..
Which is exactly what I've previously stated. He doesn't have *any* obvious injuries whatsoever. Certainly not the sort you'd expect to view if a guy was getting his ass beaten so badly that he had to shoot the guy.