Awwwwww.....I'm part of the family now with the Budz. Cool.Yes, you can hangout now.
Where did I describe a "Utopia"?
Selling it is explicitly legal from caregiver to patient. So I don't see how legality amounts to a criticism of caregiver-patient relationships.
Again I am only talking about caregivers that operate legally here. Ones who provide meds only to legal patients.Wanna-be caregivers, who may have the "Legal" paperwork but operate illegally. Skimping on the meds they give to the patients & selling the Many many Oz if not Lbs of leftovers for profit. That is a joke imo.
Many Small time growers use "Caregiver" as a loophole to slang bud for profit.
You need to read up on my stand a little more, most caregivers out here have 24 plants. My point being, they can hardly afford the Equip to grow that amount. Many people become a caregiver & up the plant # before they realize what it takes to actually grow 24 decent plants.Where did I describe a "Utopia"?
Selling it is explicitly legal from caregiver to patient. So I don't see how legality amounts to a criticism of caregiver-patient relationships.
You're the one lumping everyone into one group, most caregivers don't have anywhere near 72 plants and here you are calling them criminals and saying they should be shut down.
So..you've been fucking up for 10 years? It's not that hard..perhaps you just don't have a green thumb....but now after 10 years, with your 2 400's, you grow the bomb, right?to add to bigtacofarmer hit the nail on the head with WORK. research, attempt fail retry bugs scrap retry loose buds, add light retry cloning is hard (in the day they didn't have a big hydro stores with ez-klone machines that I could find) light leaks herms, retry bulbs burn down...huh who knew buy a new one retry nutrient burn retry I mean work kid like 10 years of it to be called all these names and treated like a criminal. like I said, taking my bowl and going home enjoy the schwag off that crispy stick with all them delicious seeds.
That's exactly what is going on here in Michigan. The simply are not in it to grow GOOD cannabis, they are trying to grow LOTS of cannabis. And in doing so pack 8 big plants under 1 400 with maybe some high tech cfl's for side light.You need to read up on my stand a little more, most caregivers out here have 24 plants. My point being, they can hardly afford the Equip to grow that amount. Many people become a caregiver & up the plant # before they realize what it takes to actually grow 24 decent plants.
I am against those who decide they want a higher limit yet can not afford the thousands of $$ investment for the equip. So they try to cram the highest legal limit they can in minimal growing environment. Then with that product they hope to make bank & expand the grow to continue & enlarge the cash crop. It has nothing to do with patients or being sick the Majority of the time when it comes to Rinky dink CGs.
Try to realize I am not talking about all caregivers, only those who grow shit bud basically & I BELIEVE there are more shit CGs than there are good legit ones.
You are contradicting yourself. Right here you say that it's wrong to "only" give a patient a free ounce or two. How can they give them free ounces if they are not selling to dispensaries or, worse, selling illegally? I think patients who expect caregivers to give them free ounces are basically selfish whiners who are likely going to take those ounces and sell them to their friends. The "well I am giving you the great privilege of growing my plants" argument doesn't hold up at all unless they are allowed to sell most of the crop to someone else for high profits. And besides, a good grower doesn't need the extra plant count from patients to keep up, it's entirely possible to pull a pound a plant with a good DWC setup.UNDERSTAND growing is not free, but to grow someone 6x plants and justify only giving them a free oz or two..
Yeah anyone who puts 8 big plants under one 400w is an idiot, you can fit 4 mid-size plants at most or one monster, and it makes no difference in yield whether you have 4 mid-size plants or that one beast.That's exactly what is going on here in Michigan. The simply are not in it to grow GOOD cannabis, they are trying to grow LOTS of cannabis. And in doing so pack 8 big plants under 1 400 with maybe some high tech cfl's for side light.
What if that is enough to supply his or her patient(s)? Not everyone consumes 4oz a month.&& Then one of you will say "what if some CG has a small setup & his 6x patient plants only yield 2oz" I would then Reply, they should not be a caregiver with such a small setup. <3
Almost as surprised at how much buttholes on the internet care about your personal business and how you grow/who you grow for and all the dets. LOL I sell all my weed to underage orphans with polio and AIDS for $927.23 per quater ounce. It only costs me 13 pence to produce 56 ounces every 13 minutes (I use bob's magic marijuana math) and I'll be on cribs next week literally walking on the broken backs of the patients I keep tied up in my basement putting lotion on their skin JUST for their plant count (MANIACAL LAUGH...MAINIACL LAUGH!!!!) cuz it's all about the money, money dollar dollar bills yall.You need to read up on my stand a little more, most caregivers out here have 24 plants. My point being, they can hardly afford the Equip to grow that amount. Many people become a caregiver & up the plant # before they realize what it takes to actually grow 24 decent plants.
I am against those who decide they want a higher limit yet can not afford the thousands of $$ investment for the equip. So they try to cram the highest legal limit they can in minimal growing environment. Then with that product they hope to make bank & expand the grow to continue & enlarge the cash crop. It has nothing to do with patients or being sick the Majority of the time when it comes to Rinky dink CGs.
Try to realize I am not talking about all caregivers, only those who grow shit bud basically & I BELIEVE there are more shit CGs than there are good legit ones.
You said you're only speaking for legit caregivers who sell to patients. You'd be surprised how many CGs sell their PATIENTS meds to other people and friends.. regular price, for profit, nothing to do with mmj.
Oh bob you fucktard even you could could become a fucking human being with 10 years practice and the level of dedication I have. sit your fat self there and rant piggy. you don't know me, my grow my buds or nothing you are a failure at living.So..you've been fucking up for 10 years? It's not that hard..perhaps you just don't have a green thumb....but now after 10 years, with your 2 400's, you grow the bomb, right?
That's my point..too many bad growers claiming they produce "medicinal quality".
It's why I'm for testing in any distribution scenario...at least where the buyer doesn't know the source, like a Dispensary or Farmers market. You simply can't tell by looking what you have in your hand...I've seen some beautiful appearing buds, that got nothing when smoked. I've also seen some whispy looking little things that are unbelievably high quality.
Michigan is way behind in knowing what great cannabis is. Also way behind in growers that care about quality.... the talk is always yield.
applause instead of a like buttonHere's what I expect from caregivers. If they do things this way I have no problem with them.
Give clear, explicit expectations for the patient's behavior, and give clear, explicit promises for what will be provided. Give a clear, explicit description of what can be provided, and the grower's skill.
Example...
Patient will not sell medication to others, patient will not call caregiver outside of daylight hours asking for more medication, all medication will be at a flat rate of 10 bucks a gram, minimum of 5 grams for delivery to be made, ALL medication from the patient's plants will be available first for the patient to purchase unless the patient has explicitly stated that they anticipate no need for it, at which point it can be sold at farmer's markets. Or, if the caregiver is just sharing the crop from his/her own 12 plants, and not growing separate plants for the patient, an agreed amount per month to be provided to the patient (1oz/mo, 2oz/mo, whatever). The caregiver has X years of growing experience, X setup, can produce an estimated X amount per month of X quality, X strains are available. Yadda yadda...
applause instead of a like buttonHere's what I expect from caregivers. If they do things this way I have no problem with them.
Give clear, explicit expectations for the patient's behavior, and give clear, explicit promises for what will be provided. Give a clear, explicit description of what can be provided, and the grower's skill.
Example...
Patient will not sell medication to others, patient will not call caregiver outside of daylight hours asking for more medication, all medication will be at a flat rate of 10 bucks a gram, minimum of 5 grams for delivery to be made, ALL medication from the patient's plants will be available first for the patient to purchase unless the patient has explicitly stated that they anticipate no need for it, at which point it can be sold at farmer's markets. Or, if the caregiver is just sharing the crop from his/her own 12 plants, and not growing separate plants for the patient, an agreed amount per month to be provided to the patient (1oz/mo, 2oz/mo, whatever). The caregiver has X years of growing experience, X setup, can produce an estimated X amount per month of X quality, X strains are available. Yadda yadda...
Cali. 12 plants per patient >.< luckyRawBudzski, are you from Michigan? Patients get 12 plants, not 6, which is why I wonder...
to the majority it is yes.cuz it's all about the money, money dollar dollar bills yall.
See, that makes no sense to me, because In My World.. you can get 5-10 buck grams by your local highschool weed dealer down the st. What good is a caregiver when the black market can do the same with less paperwork?Here's what I expect from caregivers. If they do things this way I have no problem with them.
Give clear, explicit expectations for the patient's behavior, and give clear, explicit promises for what will be provided. Give a clear, explicit description of what can be provided, and the grower's skill.
Example...
Patient will not sell medication to others, patient will not call caregiver outside of daylight hours asking for more medication, all medication will be at a flat rate of 10 bucks a gram, minimum of 5 grams for delivery to be made, ALL medication from the patient's plants will be available first for the patient to purchase unless the patient has explicitly stated that they anticipate no need for it, at which point it can be sold at farmer's markets. Or, if the caregiver is just sharing the crop from his/her own 12 plants, and not growing separate plants for the patient, an agreed amount per month to be provided to the patient (1oz/mo, 2oz/mo, whatever). The caregiver has X years of growing experience, X setup, can produce an estimated X amount per month of X quality, X strains are available. Yadda yadda...