Administration to make kids working on farms illegal.

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NoDrama

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Ok so the Obama administration wants to make it illegal for kids to work on the family farm. How will this help America, Discuss please.

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DC said:
A proposal from the Obama administration to prevent children from doing farm chores has drawn plenty of criticism from rural-district members of Congress. But now it’s attracting barbs from farm kids themselves.
The Department of Labor is poised to put the finishing touches on a rule that would apply child-labor laws to children working on family farms, prohibiting them from performing a list of jobs on their own families’ land.
Under the rules, children under 18 could no longer work “in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials.”
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http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/whd/WHD20111250.htm

US Labor Dept. said:
The proposal would strengthen current child labor regulations prohibiting agricultural work with animals and in pesticide handling, timber operations, manure pits and storage bins. It would prohibit farmworkers under age 16 from participating in the cultivation, harvesting and curing of tobacco. And it would prohibit youth in both agricultural and nonagricultural employment from using electronic, including communication, devices while operating power-driven equipment.
The department also is proposing to create a new nonagricultural hazardous occupations order that would prevent children under 18 from being employed in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials. Prohibited places of employment would include country grain elevators, grain bins, silos, feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and livestock auctions.
Additionally, the proposal would prohibit farmworkers under 16 from operating almost all power-driven equipment. A similar prohibition has existed as part of the nonagricultural child labor provisions for more than 50 years. A limited exemption would permit some student learners to operate certain farm implements and tractors, when equipped with proper rollover protection structures and seat belts, under specified conditions.
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deprave

deprave

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This sort of thing is really not enforceable and should they try to enforce it there would be a lot of innocent victims. Very stupid IMO. And while child labor laws do "make some sense'" as the poster above wrote....when your dad tells you to take the trash out and you use the tractor to haul it down the driveway you shouldn't get taken away from your parents by DHS goon squad, I think 12 is old enough to do something like that. Remember folks, these government workers are like computers, they do exactly what they are told...This is very true, I know quite a few CPS works and they like to say 'We punch some stuff into the computer and it tells us if we should take the kid away or not these days"...This stuff needs to be handled with care and programmed correctly as a software developer I realize robots needs some error checking and this is exactly what we are doing programming DHS robots.

We really have enough damn laws and there isn't children slavery or any kind of victim in this that would be saved who wouldn't be saved otherwise, this helps nobody and is absolute bullshit. I'd really like to know what other crap is burried in this bullshit, I don't think we found the golden nugget here.
 
Daxus

Daxus

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Where I live it's primarily a farming community, and while I didn't grow up on a farm, most farm kids that have to do chores don't seem to have any problem with it once they reach a reasonable level of maturity. For a lot of people around here having kids help is a huge part of their farm, and it's not so much seen as a job, but as part of life to ensure there's food, shelter, etc available. Most farmers I know don't just sell everything they have and go buy their food from the supermarket, they live off the land and sell or trade with other farmers whatever is left over for small luxuries or to help with debt accumulated from bad years or to help pay taxes etc.
 
Carne Seca

Carne Seca

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Coming from a farming background it sounds pretty damn reasonable to me. Protecting children should be the number one priority of any civilization. I didn't get involved in the machinery until I was 15 or 16. Pesticides can kill. Working with timber is very dangerous some of those tools can cut you in half. Falling into a large manure pit is a terrible way to die and I lost a cousin that fell into a grain bin and smothered to death. We lost a neighbor and friend who fell off a tractor and got caught up in the tines. Children should not be involved in this kind of farm work. Too many things can happen.
 
deprave

deprave

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Carne Seca said:
Coming from a farming background it sounds pretty damn reasonable to me. Protecting children should be the number one priority of any civilization. I didn't get involved in the machinery until I was 15 or 16. Pesticides can kill. Working with timber is very dangerous some of those tools can cut you in half. Falling into a large manure pit is a terrible way to die and I lost a cousin that fell into a grain bin and smothered to death. We lost a neighbor and friend who fell off a tractor and got caught up in the tines. Children should not be involved in this kind of farm work. Too many things can happen.
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So whos to protect them magicaly elite government agents ? No their fucking parents, the only ones that can. I would like to protect kids also, I agree very important, so keep them away from government robots that aren't programmed properly.
 
Daxus

Daxus

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Carne Seca said:
Coming from a farming background it sounds pretty damn reasonable to me. Protecting children should be the number one priority of any civilization. I didn't get involved in the machinery until I was 15 or 16. Pesticides can kill. Working with timber is very dangerous some of those tools can cut you in half. Falling into a large manure pit is a terrible way to die and I lost a cousin that fell into a grain bin and smothered to death. We lost a neighbor and friend who fell off a tractor and got caught up in the tines. Children should not be involved in this kind of farm work. Too many things can happen.
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That is terrible, but I think a lot of it depends on how the kid was raised, and what they're capable of doing and understanding risks and safety. This kind of bill doesn't apply across the board as it's definitely situational from my experience. Also like it was already mentioned in rural areas it's going to be impossible to really enforce and farmers, at least where I live, don't rat on each other even if they don't agree with each others practices.
 
deprave

deprave

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Carne Seca said:
Coming from a farming background it sounds pretty damn reasonable to me. Protecting children should be the number one priority of any civilization. I didn't get involved in the machinery until I was 15 or 16. Pesticides can kill. Working with timber is very dangerous some of those tools can cut you in half. Falling into a large manure pit is a terrible way to die and I lost a cousin that fell into a grain bin and smothered to death. We lost a neighbor and friend who fell off a tractor and got caught up in the tines. Children should not be involved in this kind of farm work. Too many things can happen.
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Also 15,you'd be conidered "too young" in this to do absolutely anything not just "work with machinery" - I guees you shoulda been hauled off?
 
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brimck325

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this is why americans r so fukin fat n lazy...it builds character and teaches kids the value of money. look at all the bums on here everyday. i no some cant work but there few n far between on this site....
 
Moses Mobetta

Moses Mobetta

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When I was a kid we worked planting on a farm without using type of power tools, tractors and things like that were used by adults. We made extra cash and learned the value and concept of earning, getting up early if we wanted to work. Instead of getting things given to us and laying around waiting for a check. I really dont know what this is aimed at, but it seems theres no problem with illegals children doing that kind of work. Are their lives worth less and thats why it's ok to exploit them to the max? Protecting children is good, but wil this be under the guise of a good thing that realy does no good at all? I thought we had child labor laws already.
 
Daxus

Daxus

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brimck325 said:
this is why americans r so fukin fat n lazy...it builds character and teaches kids the value of money. look at all the bums on here everyday. i no some cant work but there few n far between on this site....
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Kids really do need to be taught the value of money, I wish I had been made to get a job sooner than I was, I have a feeling as an only child I was spoiled pretty bad I just didn't take on as much of the attitude for some reason.
 
kelly4

kelly4

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Carne Seca said:
Coming from a farming background it sounds pretty damn reasonable to me. Protecting children should be the number one priority of any civilization. I didn't get involved in the machinery until I was 15 or 16. Pesticides can kill. Working with timber is very dangerous some of those tools can cut you in half. Falling into a large manure pit is a terrible way to die and I lost a cousin that fell into a grain bin and smothered to death. We lost a neighbor and friend who fell off a tractor and got caught up in the tines. Children should not be involved in this kind of farm work. Too many things can happen.
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In the area of the U.S. that I'm from, the main reason for farmers to have kids is to "work on the farm".
 
Carne Seca

Carne Seca

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deprave said:
Also 15,you'd be conidered "too young" in this to do absolutely anything not just "work with machinery" - I guees you shoulda been hauled off?
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*considered
*guess
*should have

You really like making a mountain out of a mole hill, don't you? There is a butt load of farm work for kids to do that doesn't involve placing them in danger. All this legislation is trying to do is keep children out of harm's way. Children younger than 16. it's just fucking common sense. I spent my youth planting, weeding, hoeing, digging, fence building, bucking hay, cow milking, herding, chasing FUCKING STUPID CHICKENS!! ( I hate chickens), irrigating, and cleaning just about every animal pen known to man. I also spent my summers bucking hay to make money. A lot of kids work on neighboring or area farms to make extra money. A lot of these kids are under 16 and shouldn't be working around dangerous machinery or chemicals.



This is my nephew. He is fourteen. He is being a dumb ass and got his ass chewed out for it. Kids do stupid things and stupid things can cost lives. I'm all for this legislation.
 
kelly4

kelly4

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Carne Seca said:
I also spent my summers bucking hay to make money. A lot of kids work on neighboring or area farms to make extra money. A lot of these kids are under 16 and shouldn't be working around dangerous machinery or chemicals.
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There's a big difference in "working for the neighbor" and "working on the FAMILY farm".
 
deprave

deprave

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Carne Seca said:
*considered
*guess
*should have

You really like making a mountain out of a mole hill, don't you? There is a butt load of farm work for kids to do that doesn't involve placing them in danger. All this legislation is trying to do is keep children out of harm's way. Children younger than 16. it's just fucking common sense. I spent my youth planting, weeding, hoeing, digging, fence building, bucking hay, cow milking, herding, chasing FUCKING STUPID CHICKENS!! ( I hate chickens), irrigating, and cleaning just about every animal pen known to man. I also spent my summers bucking hay to make money. A lot of kids work on neighboring or area farms to make extra money. A lot of these kids are under 16 and shouldn't be working around dangerous machinery or chemicals.



This is my nephew. He is fourteen. He is being a dumb ass and got his ass chewed out for it. Kids do stupid things and stupid things can cost lives. I'm all for this legislation.
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Are you proposing that kids bail hay without a truck? That should probably be illegal lol

also: "prevent children under 18 from being employed in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials." would prohibit that for under 18 in this example and also a ridiculous ammount of other unnessecary things...marketing? really?

The government won't protect you, it can't protect you, and it doesn't want to protect you. Common sense, you lack it. Why do you trust government so blindly? Do you work for them?
 
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