Fedral judge lol's at Obama Florida voter purge is legal

ChesusRice

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Well, if it is just a matter of degree that you are concerned with then you ought to agree with the "voter purge" in Florida. The account posted by Canndo (I think) said that 80% of those purged in fact had no right to vote. 5:1 ratio seems pretty reasonable.
The review began after Florida’s Division of Elections compared voter registration rolls with a state driver’s license database to come up with a list of potential noncitizen voters. That master list contained 182,000 names of potential noncitizens. The state forwarded an initial roster of 2,600 of the names to independent county election supervisors, asking them to send letters to those voters requesting proof of citizenship. If no proof was provided, the voters would be dropped from the rolls. The state would then send more names.
But the list was flawed; many people on it who had been contacted came forward to say they had been born in the United States, or were naturalized citizens. County election supervisors quickly grew critical of the list, saying better information was needed. Advocates for voters and minorities began to complain, calling the voter scrub unjust.
 

ink the world

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Typical right wing horseshit. Cant prove voter fraud, but we know its there.

Its pathetic that anyone would defend the organized effort by the right wing to supress voters rights.

The Teabaggers rode a wave of discontent and had a golden opportunity. They blew it by offering up countless abortion bills and voter supression. Just like i said before the last election you Teabaggers got bamboozled. These clowns are nothing more than slaves to thr corporate mastetrs that bought them their seats.

Freedom and equality for all, that is unless youre poor and dont offend Christian "morals."
 

RyanTheRhino

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portland oregon is not rural.
Hmm cool temps & high humidity . That's mushroom hunting country.
This would explain a lot. :grin:
As the British would call it, I'm on the other side of the pebble. Get a map of the us and draw line approximately 20 DRG south of your cities horizontal.

Also I feel that you cream your pants when someone calls you a name. Bet you keep a list of them on the notepad next to you.
 

deprave

New Member
“The court made a common-sense decision consistent with what I’ve been saying all along: that irreparable harm will result if non-citizens are allowed to vote.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77911.html#ixzz1z2MImYNF
"irreparable harm"
He seems to be a bit mellow-dramatic...I mean..Does he think non-citizens are going to band together and elect Ronald McDonald for lawl factor?

The fact is most don't want to become citizens or care to vote, sure its a "Nobel cause to protect this great nation" (Right...Politicians and Nobel causes coming together is something completely fictional).

The Republican gang claiming their turf as usual and trying to squeeze out every potential rational human being who wouldn't vote for them.

I am only 30, I have known and worked with lots of foreigners who live here, I have never met one with the desire to become a citizen or vote. It is really time we probably get our head out of our ass and see this for what it really is.

No I don't mean they should be able to vote.....but this is just another circus side show dividing people, both Republican and Democrat gangsters lapin it up...making an issue out of nothing.
 

ink the world

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I'm not a member of either party.

The only thing I'm "lapping up" is the organized effort to keep people from voting.
Its disgusting and anti Democracy. I'd speak up just as much if it was Democrats pulling this crap.
 

Red1966

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Typical right wing horseshit. Cant prove voter fraud, but we know its there. Its pathetic that anyone would defend the organized effort by the right wing to supress voters rights. The Teabaggers rode a wave of discontent and had a golden opportunity. They blew it by offering up countless abortion bills and voter supression. Just like i said before the last election you Teabaggers got bamboozled. These clowns are nothing more than slaves to thr corporate mastetrs that bought them their seats. Freedom and equality for all, that is unless youre poor and dont offend Christian "morals."
Odd, we gave several examples of verifiable voter fraud, but you say it doesn't exist. Loretta Sanchez of Cali was elected through voter fraud. JFK won the presidency, our highest office, through voter fraud. 119% voter turnout in Madison, Wisconsin (recall vote) proves a massive amount of voter fraud there. The Democratic campaign headquarters in Jacksonville, FL bought votes from retarded citizens in a group home with beer and cigarettes. Yet, you guys keep claiming it doesn't exist, or is so tiny it doesn't matter. I think that if Republicans were doing it, you would be marching in the streets. Cheating is OK if you're benefiting from it. This proves that you are morally bankrupt. Shame on you.
 

nontheist

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That is voter registration fraud.
The victim is ACORN?
Do you listen to yourself or fade in and out?

You know who discovered it and brought it to the attention of the authorities?
ACORN.

And the link you provide. Doesnt list any evidence of voter fraud by ACORN.
Bitch say what?
[h=1]ACORN employees tell FBI of deliberate election fraud, according to new documents[/h]

The radical activist group ACORN “works” for the Democratic Party and deliberately promotes election fraud, ACORN employees told FBI investigators, according to an FBI document dump Wednesday.
The documents obtained by Judicial Watch, a watchdog group, are FBI investigators’ reports related to the 2007 investigation and arrest of eight St. Louis, Mo., workers from ACORN’s Project Vote affiliate for violation of election laws. All eight employees involved in the scandal later pleaded guilty to voter registration fraud.
Project Vote is ACORN’s voter registration arm. Project Vote continues to operate despite the reported dissolution of the national structure of ACORN.
The handwritten reports by FBI agents show that ACORN employees reported numerous irregularities in the nonprofit group’s business practices.
One employee told the FBI that ACORN headquarters is “wkg [working] for the Democratic Party.”
According to one report, an ACORN employee said the purpose of “[f]raudulent cards” was “[t]o cause confusion on election day to keep polls open longer,” “[t]o allow people who can’t vote to vote,” and “[t]o allow to vote multiple times.”
Another report quotes an employee saying, “Project Vote will pay them whether cards fake or not – whatever they had to do to get the cards was attitude.” Project Vote pays based on the number of cards and “that’s why they were so reckless,” the report says.
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A report quotes an employee saying, “I don’t like our system. I don’t think we should do voter registration.” The report also notes that employees were “[c]onstantly threatened” and that the staff were “instructed on what to say to FBI.”
Another report indicates an employee told the investigator, that ACORN “[t]old employees not to talk to the FBI.” The FBI is “‘trying to intimidate you.’”
“These documents show the need for a national criminal investigation by the Obama Justice Department into ACORN,” said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch.
“Is Attorney General [Eric] Holder doing nothing because of Obama’s close connections to ACORN and Project Vote? The information in these new documents has national implications that cry out for further investigation,” Fitton said.
President Obama’s ties to ACORN go back to the 1980s.
“ACORN noticed him when he was organizing on the far south side of the city with the Developing Communities Project,” according to Toni Foulkes, a former member of ACORN’s national board. From 1985 to 1988 Obama ran the Developing Communities Project from an office located in Chicago’s Holy Rosary Church.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/10/acorn-employees-tell-fbi-of-deliberate-election-fraud-according-to-new-documents/#ixzz1z7vaUKcb

[h=1]More Acorn Voter Fraud Comes to Light[/h]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html

[h=1]ACORN Pleads Guilty to Voter Registration Fraud in Nevada[/h]

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/06/acorn-pleads-guilty-voter-registration-fraud-nevada/#ixzz1z7xpYyoX

[h=1]Media Blackout: ACORN Bigshot Sentenced In Voter Fraud Conspiracy[/h]


 

canndo

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spoken like a true 14 year old.

how is a gun registration sufficient, but a college ID is not? it's just a blatant attempt to keep certain people from voting.
Yah think? This is exactly the sort of thing I am talking about - Weyrick spoke truely when he said that the fewer people who voted the more likely republicans would gain office.
 

canndo

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/03/report-5-million-voters-i_n_992530.html

Now, before we start with the impugn the source lazy debating, consider that it is not in the interests of the right leaning media to even report this finding from the brennan center for justice which is why so many aren't even aware of the report (and others like it). Furthermore that report is a compilation of other reports.

SCOTUS has listed other findings along the same line (in fairness, it was in a dissenting opinion).

So, given that at least a percentage of those 5 million will actually be disenfranchised, there are only two responses:

1. Show that the number is absolutely wrong or that the methodology is absolutely faulty or
2. Show that the numbers of voter fraud, the sort of voter fraud that can be nulified by requring voter ID equal or surpass the number of disenfranchised voters.

Oh, and never mind the fact that those who are most for voter ID are very often those who stress fiscal responsibility in government, the ones who stress fiscal prudence are, lo and behold, in this case all for government spending on a fix for something that no one seems to be able to demonstrate exists. Curiouser and curiouser. Gee, could it be that some people don't want other legitimate people to be able to vote and it has nothing at all to do with fraud?
 

UncleBuck

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the sillyheads have yet to premise their argument.

their argument is that voter fraud is more problematic than the voter purge that disenfranchises legal voters.

but they have not premised that argument.

it's over before it even began for them. maybe one day they'll have that crucial thing called evidence.
 

canndo

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Shall we add to that post? ALEC - the American Legislative Exchange Council, a 501 c organization whos members are composed of large corporations and state legislators has never demonstrated anything pertaining to interest in curtailing voter fraud, rather it promotes gun rights, lower taxes on corporations, minimize environmental laws, prevent tobacco taxes and seeks to promote conservative ideals - fine. Now why on earth would such a stealth lobby at the state level seek to turn it's cooky cutter "model legislation" machine on such a thing as voter ID?
 

UncleBuck

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You guys have been beaten over the head with proof that voter fraud takes place, your just too fucking stupid to see it....
no one is disputing that voter fraud takes place.

we are saying that purging legal voters is more damaging than whatever infinitesimally miniscule amount of voter fraud occurs.

so tell me, out of the 110,000,000+ votes cast in 2008, how many cases of voter fraud were there?
 

canndo

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/11/washington/11voters.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&ei=5124&en=cba2ba0f1aeb218f&ex=1334030400&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink&adxnnlx=1324148609-vab5WlqTVNG6TQ/Xp4VjMA


And curiouser still.

There isn't any proof that this voter fraud (the sort that can be corrected by ID) exist, at all, yet suddenly, Republicans are very very concerned that it might be happening, even though they havn't any evidence at all - best to be safe right? Especially if safe includes keeping millions of probable dems from voting.

Now beyond even that, initial studies indicate that there is a lower turn out for elections in places where these IDs are required, hmmmm. No proof whatsoever that there is voter fraud, institute the ID requirements and turnouts are reduced - it works! fewer voters means more repubs get into office just like Weyrick says.
 

nontheist

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no one is disputing that voter fraud takes place.

we are saying that purging legal voters is more damaging than whatever infinitesimally miniscule amount of voter fraud occurs.

so tell me, out of the 110,000,000+ votes cast in 2008, how many cases of voter fraud were there?
How many were not fraud?
 

canndo

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You guys have been beaten over the head with proof that voter fraud takes place, your just too fucking stupid to see it....

"too stupid to see", I am soo stupid that I have been unable to see the evidence, even though no one is able to show such evidence - it just has to happen and therefore it must be happening. If that bit of faulty logic is all the "evidence" there is, then my stupidity must be overwhelming.

Now I showed you a cogent, logical progression of how and why based upon studies and am willing to provide much more but only if we engage in reasonable debate. How about showing me some evidence that it happens in substancial numbers? Oh and that one that shows what? 4,000 or so lists over 10 years doesn't really count, as many of them are registration fraud.
 

nontheist

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/11/washington/11voters.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&ei=5124&en=cba2ba0f1aeb218f&ex=1334030400&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink&adxnnlx=1324148609-vab5WlqTVNG6TQ/Xp4VjMA


And curiouser still.

There isn't any proof that this voter fraud (the sort that can be corrected by ID) exist, at all, yet suddenly, Republicans are very very concerned that it might be happening, even though they havn't any evidence at all - best to be safe right? Especially if safe includes keeping millions of probable dems from voting.

Now beyond even that, initial studies indicate that there is a lower turn out for elections in places where these IDs are required, hmmmm. No proof whatsoever that there is voter fraud, institute the ID requirements and turnouts are reduced - it works! fewer voters means more repubs get into office just like Weyrick says.
Did you not watch the video? ID would have fixed the fraud they pointed out. LOL the NYTIMES? LOL
 
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