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Mr Neutron

Mr Neutron

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UncleBuck said:
obviously, you're not a bowler. or a chemist.

would you drink chlorine? would you drink chlorine if it was added to your water at 4 parts per million?

we do, and it is credited with lengthening the human life span.

not surprising to see a bunch of righties so adverse to science.
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LOL, whaaaat? Are you having one of those migraines that cause people to utter jibberish?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Mr Neutron said:
LOL, whaaaat? Are you having one of those migraines that cause people to utter jibberish?
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what an intellect.

all i have to do is mention chlorine in the water supply at 4 parts per million and he gets confused.

for my next trick, i may have to flash a shiny object in front of your face.
 
beardo

beardo

Well-Known Member
ChesusRice said:
I worked for one of the nations largest natural remedy companys. one you never heard of because they wholesale. natural remedies are for the most part
Bogus

And do you have any other suggestions to replace the FDA or the EPA other than taking offenders to court?

If a mining company poisons my water. What are my remedys?
Sue them and after years of them spending millions of dollars saying it wasnt them. maybe my survivors can get a settlement?

Anyone ever seen a thalidomide kid? (they grown up now)
Thalidomide was not FDA approved
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Ha Ha laughing my ass of at Natural remedy"s being bogus..
Yes i'm sure some are but a million years of human experience would tell you that many natural remedy's are very effective.
Now if a mining company makes you sick you are screwed, the companies that do fracking have a rule now where they can inject chemicals into the ground and if those chemicals make people sick or are suspected of doing so a persons doctor can petition the company for a list of chemicals they are using but the doctor is prohibited from disclosing the chemicals to the patient- Sound great to you?
I think if a company is doing something that negatively affects you or your property you ought to have recourse, it should not be big money players paying big money to regulating agencies for the "right" to pollute and make me sick while using those same agencies to regulate me out of business.
 
Mr Neutron

Mr Neutron

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UncleBuck said:
what an intellect.

all i have to do is mention chlorine in the water supply at 4 parts per million and he gets confused.

for my next trick, i may have to flash a shiny object in front of your face.
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If you didn't want to explain, just grow a pair and say so.
 
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ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
beardo said:
Ha Ha laughing my ass of at Natural remedy"s being bogus..
Yes i'm sure some are but a million years of human experience would tell you that many natural remedy's are very effective.
Now if a mining company makes you sick you are screwed, the companies that do fracking have a rule now where they can inject chemicals into the ground and if those chemicals make people sick or are suspected of doing so a persons doctor can petition the company for a list of chemicals they are using but the doctor is prohibited from disclosing the chemicals to the patient- Sound great to you?
I think if a company is doing something that negatively affects you or your property you ought to have recourse, it should not be big money players paying big money to regulating agencies for the "right" to pollute and make me sick while using those same agencies to regulate me out of business.
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Echinacea
horny goat weed
Aromatherapy

That is right off the top of my head
 
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ChesusRice

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NoDrama said:
Because if left to their own devices all gold mining companies would mine alot more gold, which would make gold less rare...i.e. less valuable. Which would make a mining stock less valuable.....


Some people aren't too smart, but they aren't smart enough to know they aren't smart. Know what I mean? Of course you don't.
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You have no idea what is involved with gold mining

You are worried about flouride in drinking water?
But have no problem with cyanide and mercury getting into the ground water?

The most significant risk from use of cyanide solutions in gold mining
is possible leaching into soil and groundwater. There exists the potential for
catastrophic cyanide spills that could inundate an ecosystem with toxic levels
of cyanide. In 2000, heavy rain, ice, and snow caused a breach in a tailings dam
(tailings are the cyanide-treated ore wastes, from which gold has been removed)
at a gold mine in Baia Mare, Romania resulting in the release of 100,000 cubic
meters of cyanide-rich waste into the surrounding watershed. Drinking water
supplies were cut off for 2.5 million people and nearly all of the fish in the
surrounding waters were killed.
 
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ChesusRice

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beardo said:
Wow, your intellect amazes me!
You came up with that all on your own?
Very impressive
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Want me to use google?
Numerous recent studies have undercut the purported benefits of various herbal supplements. Gingko, echinacea and Saint John's wort, have all been found relatively ineffective against many of the ills they have been claimed to help

This does not seem to have slowed purchases by U.S. consumers, who spent $14.8 billion on these and other natural supplements in 2007, according to a report released last summer.

It also hasn't stopped many supplement sellers from making the false claims and even recommending potentially dangerous uses of the products to customers, according to a recent investigation conducted by the Government Accountability Office (GAO). To obtain a sample of sales practices, the agency got staff members to call online retailers and to pose undercover as elderly customers at stores selling supplements.

Customers were not only told that supplements were capable of results for which there is no scientific evidence (such as preventing or curing Alzheimer's disease); the advice and information also was potentially harmful (including a recommendation to replace prescription medicine with garlic). Excerpts from secretly recorded conversations are available on the GAO's Web site.

Both the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and Federal Trade Commission (FTC) found the practices "improper and likely in violation of statutes and regulations," according to the report, which was delivered as testimony on May 26 by Gregory Kutz, managing director of Forensic Audits and Special Investigations at the GAO, to the U.S. Senate Special Committee on Aging.

But the potential for harm did not appear to end with marketing and staff recommendations. Following up on previous studies that had found contaminants and other adulterants in herbal supplements—which are regulated by the FDA as food products, not drugs, and thus not subject to pre-market approval or testing—the GAO sent bottles of 40 commonly purchased supplements to a lab for testing.

The lab found 92 percent of the tested herbal supplements (which included pills, capsules and other products derived from plant products but not vitamins) contained trace amounts of lead and 80 percent had at least one other contaminant, such as mercury, cadmium and/or arsenic. The levels (none were more than 0.05 part per million) did not exceed what the FDA and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) currently considers hazardous, but, notes Marcus Reidenberg, chief of the Division of Clinical Pharmacology at New York–Presbyterian Hospital/Weill Cornell Medical Center, "ingesting these heavy metals is of no benefit." And the GAO report states that "consuming high levels of the contaminants for which we tested…can lead to severe health consequences, such as increased risk of cancer."
 
beardo

beardo

Well-Known Member
ChesusRice said:
Want me to use google?
Numerous recent studies have undercut the purported benefits of various herbal supplements. Gingko, echinacea and Saint John's wort, have all been found relatively ineffective against many of the ills they have been claimed to help

This does not seem to have slowed purchases by U.S. consumers, who spent $14.8 billion on these and other natural supplements in 2007, according to a report released last summer.

It also hasn't stopped many supplement sellers from making the false claims and even recommending potentially dangerous uses of the products to customers, according to a recent investigation conducted by the Government Accountability Office (GAO). To obtain a sample of sales practices, the agency got staff members to call online retailers and to pose undercover as elderly customers at stores selling supplements.

Customers were not only told that supplements were capable of results for which there is no scientific evidence (such as preventing or curing Alzheimer's disease); the advice and information also was potentially harmful (including a recommendation to replace prescription medicine with garlic). Excerpts from secretly recorded conversations are available on the GAO's Web site.

Both the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and Federal Trade Commission (FTC) found the practices "improper and likely in violation of statutes and regulations," according to the report, which was delivered as testimony on May 26 by Gregory Kutz, managing director of Forensic Audits and Special Investigations at the GAO, to the U.S. Senate Special Committee on Aging.

But the potential for harm did not appear to end with marketing and staff recommendations. Following up on previous studies that had found contaminants and other adulterants in herbal supplements—which are regulated by the FDA as food products, not drugs, and thus not subject to pre-market approval or testing—the GAO sent bottles of 40 commonly purchased supplements to a lab for testing.

The lab found 92 percent of the tested herbal supplements (which included pills, capsules and other products derived from plant products but not vitamins) contained trace amounts of lead and 80 percent had at least one other contaminant, such as mercury, cadmium and/or arsenic. The levels (none were more than 0.05 part per million) did not exceed what the FDA and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) currently considers hazardous, but, notes Marcus Reidenberg, chief of the Division of Clinical Pharmacology at New York–Presbyterian Hospital/Weill Cornell Medical Center, "ingesting these heavy metals is of no benefit." And the GAO report states that "consuming high levels of the contaminants for which we tested…can lead to severe health consequences, such as increased risk of cancer."
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Nice copy and paste...
 
beardo

beardo

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ChesusRice said:
Well whazzit you want
you complain when I type stuff
You complain when I copy and paste
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I was complaining about your lack of thinking through what you are saying-
You were claiming natural remedy's are bogus- Which in many cases may well be true, but it is also true that natural remedy's are some of the most effective and well proven and safest substances known to man, kind of funny that wouldn't dawn on you considering the forum you are posting on, MJ, Opium, Aspirin, just to name a few-
Also your copy and paste somewhat illustrated the failings of the FDA you were defending by showing the contaminantes found in supplements found on store shelves.
 
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ChesusRice

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beardo said:
I was complaining about your lack of thinking through what you are saying-
You were claiming natural remedy's are bogus- Which in many cases may well be true, but it is also true that natural remedy's are some of the most effective and well proven and safest substances known to man, kind of funny that wouldn't dawn on you considering the forum you are posting on, MJ, Opium, Aspirin, just to name a few-
Also your copy and paste somewhat illustrated the failings of the FDA you were defending by showing the contaminantes found in supplements found on store shelves.
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The FDA does not regulate natural remedys
it is called a loophole
as long as you put a disclaimer on it

I said most natural remedies are bogus
And I know what forum I am posting on

I know the guy who supplys most of the natural remedy ingredients you find
and all he cares about is making money and sending it to his ashram in India

They think of new ways to sell shit to the sheeple that buy that crap
Like
Aromatherapy
Or crystal healing
along with the natural herbs and supllements

Here is an example of crap they sell
beardo said:
I was complaining about your lack of thinking through what you are saying-
You were claiming natural remedy's are bogus- Which in many cases may well be true, but it is also true that natural remedy's are some of the most effective and well proven and safest substances known to man, kind of funny that wouldn't dawn on you considering the forum you are posting on, MJ, Opium, Aspirin, just to name a few-
Also your copy and paste somewhat illustrated the failings of the FDA you were defending by showing the contaminantes found in supplements found on store shelves.
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I said most natural remedies are bogus
And I know what forum I am posting on

I know the guy who supplys most of the natural remedy ingredients you find
and all he cares about is making money and sending it to his ashram in India

They think of new ways to sell shit to the sheeple that buy that crap
Like
Aromatherapy
Or crystal healing
along with the natural herbs and supllements
here is an example
http://www.neemauranaturals.com/
 
deprave

deprave

New Member
ChesusRice said:
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I said most natural remedies are bogus
And I know what forum I am posting on

I know the guy who supplys most of the natural remedy ingredients you find
and all he cares about is making money and sending it to his ashram in India

They think of new ways to sell shit to the sheeple that buy that crap
Like
Aromatherapy
Or crystal healing
along with the natural herbs and supllements
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heh well a double whammy to this is for example harvesting of rhino horns for medicine in inidia, poachers in africa make a shitload doing this and other such things....they kill the rhino and take his horn then just leave the corpse when the rhino horn can actually be cut off and the rhino will just have it grow back
 
beardo

beardo

Well-Known Member
ChesusRice said:
The FDA does not regulate natural remedys
it is called a loophole
as long as you put a disclaimer on it

I said most natural remedies are bogus
And I know what forum I am posting on

I know the guy who supplys most of the natural remedy ingredients you find
and all he cares about is making money and sending it to his ashram in India

They think of new ways to sell shit to the sheeple that buy that crap
Like
Aromatherapy
Or crystal healing
along with the natural herbs and supllements

Here is an example of crap they sell

.
I said most natural remedies are bogus
And I know what forum I am posting on

I know the guy who supplys most of the natural remedy ingredients you find
and all he cares about is making money and sending it to his ashram in India

They think of new ways to sell shit to the sheeple that buy that crap
Like
Aromatherapy
Or crystal healing
along with the natural herbs and supllements
here is an example
http://www.neemauranaturals.com/
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Sounds a lot like the drug industry and that new medication I saw advertized on TV
Can't wait to ask my doctor about if it's right for me....



I get what you are saying, and agree, but hopefully you also get what i'm saying, I don't believe either of us is truly wrong, it's just a matter of thinking of things from all perspectives and looking from all angles and perspectives.
Oh and the FDA does regulate them as a food.
 
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