Flowerinafield
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Whoa! Uncle Ben actually is one of few that makes sense on this damn forum..
Bud Blood Experiences
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Whoa! Uncle Ben actually is one of few that makes sense on this damn forum..
thats good to know thanks theres too many people like that on these forums its annoying
eDude
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Found some stuff out from a very knowledgeable person.
BI is used in replacement of Bud Blood. BUT, it's different. BI's main goal is to achieve shorter primary node length with out the use of pacol, the stuff in bonzi that is not good for you. It does this with something called fractionates of kelp..
BB is more of a flower inducer meant to shorten the transitional time between grow and bloom.
I might have to do a side by side myself. Not that I need to use it but I'd like to see how it works.
Sounds like you've got something good there. Let me know how it works for you.
BI is used in replacement of Bud Blood. BUT, it's different. BI's main goal is to achieve shorter primary node length with out the use of pacol, the stuff in bonzi that is not good for you. It does this with something called fractionates of kelp..
I've heard of this before. In kelp there are all kind of gibberellins and other good stuff. From what I've heard the difference should be very apparent from untreated plants.
BB is more of a flower inducer meant to shorten the transitional time between grow and bloom.
I might have to do a side by side myself. Not that I need to use it but I'd like to see how it works.
Sounds like you've got something good there. Let me know how it works for you.
eDude
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By the way.. Nice two day old handle.. you know everyone on here in two days? What is up with rollitup and trolls?
Uncle Ben
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If you had one working brain cell in that razzle-dazzle pinhead of yours, you'd see there's all of 50 cent's worth (if that much) of "monopotassium Phosphate, Potassium Sulphate, formulated from fractionated Kelp Extract". What's missing is common sense on your part and. perhaps 'electrolytes' in da Advanced Shysters snake oils LOL.You rock out with Ben all you want.You'll see.. lol
Got to admit, the bottles do have purty labels. That attracts the kids ya know.
Uncle Ben
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High P foods induce stretch, which is exactly what you have in Advanced Shysters "blossom boosters" like Blood Bud, a 0-39-25. For starts, cutting out N is nothing more than pure STUPIDITY.
Let's take a look at experiments bonafide scientists have conducted regarding plant stretch and how nutrition plays into it.
http://www.gpnmag.com/what-really-causes-stretch
You're turning to the wrong people for your education but like all noobs, you'll have to learn the hard way.
Ben is one of the most knowledgable growers you will ever talk to, but feel free to throw his years of experience out of the window.
yeah right i would never listen to that dude. he wont tell you that bud ignitor has something similar in it to bushmaster but alot safer i think its called Ethephon. someone thats been using it for 3 years says the stretch is cut down up to 50%. even some people that hate AN will tell you plants flower quicker with bud ignitor
ok il bite, if your so freekin smart uncle ben than tell me what the best light relector is on the market for a 4' x 4' footprint? non air cooled that is
WWShadow
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What does the best reflector ( which is subjective and based upon opinion primarily) on the market have to do with comparing Bud Blood and Bud Ignitor? Some people DIY their own reflectors rather than pay retail for something they can make or 1/10th the cost.
I have mega trust issues when it come to dealing with anything marketed by retailers & the manufacturers. Maybe their product does exactly what they claim, but there is no way to justify the high cost when you can compare 2 nutrient brands side by side and get similar results with one of those nute brands costing a fraction of what the other brand costs. I've been reading Uncle Ben's threads for a couple of years now. While I may not agree with his "presentation", I have found that by doing a little independent research that his statements are usually correct. Not to mention exponentially cheaper alternatives to high priced additives. Bushmaster is banned in CA but you can still buy it in other places. the 'Plac*' stuff is what makes it work. So how is using something like that in veg going to make the flowers toxic or whatever? I would think the anti-MJ crowd would be all over that one. Most items on the market are relatively safe when used as directed. Many people fail to read the directions completely much less any warnings. One small potential side effect (real or imagined) and people start climbing on the anti-band wagon. That's how MJ got prohibited in the first place isn't it? There are people growing with Miracle Grow and getting good results.
I could go on and on but if you really want proof of UB's statements ( I won't use the word "claims"), try his method for your self (honestly) and see what happens. anything less than success would mean you didn't follow is method/instructions or suffered an infestation or other problem that wasn't properly treated.
Uncle Ben isn't the only "established" grower that denounces high priced BS additives. I would have no qualms about using plac following UB's example of how he used it. Very minimal, a little goes on for forever practically (not really but it seems that way) Actually I intend to do just that in the near future.
I have mega trust issues when it come to dealing with anything marketed by retailers & the manufacturers. Maybe their product does exactly what they claim, but there is no way to justify the high cost when you can compare 2 nutrient brands side by side and get similar results with one of those nute brands costing a fraction of what the other brand costs. I've been reading Uncle Ben's threads for a couple of years now. While I may not agree with his "presentation", I have found that by doing a little independent research that his statements are usually correct. Not to mention exponentially cheaper alternatives to high priced additives. Bushmaster is banned in CA but you can still buy it in other places. the 'Plac*' stuff is what makes it work. So how is using something like that in veg going to make the flowers toxic or whatever? I would think the anti-MJ crowd would be all over that one. Most items on the market are relatively safe when used as directed. Many people fail to read the directions completely much less any warnings. One small potential side effect (real or imagined) and people start climbing on the anti-band wagon. That's how MJ got prohibited in the first place isn't it? There are people growing with Miracle Grow and getting good results.
I could go on and on but if you really want proof of UB's statements ( I won't use the word "claims"), try his method for your self (honestly) and see what happens. anything less than success would mean you didn't follow is method/instructions or suffered an infestation or other problem that wasn't properly treated.
Uncle Ben isn't the only "established" grower that denounces high priced BS additives. I would have no qualms about using plac following UB's example of how he used it. Very minimal, a little goes on for forever practically (not really but it seems that way) Actually I intend to do just that in the near future.
Uncle Ben
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Ethephon aka ethylene induces premature foliage necrosis in some crops, like cotton. Just what guys like you are looking for LOL.
just like i thought you wouldnt answer the question about the reflector lol. stop acting like you know everything cause you dont. i think you and homebrewer must be brothers or something lol
wwshadow, its not up for debate what the best reflector is its about what delivers the most light to a 4 x 4 space plus how deep the light goes through the canopy. im talking about specifically 4 x 4 and nothing else if you change the dimensions of the area than you would have to take different measurements. i asked him that question cause he's acting like an arrogant know it all and he thinks he's smarter than everyone. if he is than answer the question lol but he couldnt could he lol. and no one was talkin about the cost either
Uncle Ben
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For starts, I'm not obligated to answer shit. However, I took a Diamond Lights gull wing horizontal hood and retrofitted it with a specular insert. It's excellent and I think pix of it are in my gallery here. I did that while you was still messin' in your drawers.
I also had one of the razzle dazzle Sun systems. Compared to my old tweaked Diamond Lights hood, it sucked, so I sold it.
lol didnt think so. im outta here
Uncle Ben
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Seems some are STILL messin' in their drawers.
Uncle Ben
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Twas an act of desperation, deflection.
Faldikar
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http://www.insad.pl/files/journal_pdf/journal_2003/Full_2003_12.pdf
http://www.cabi.org/GARA/FullTextPDF/2009/20093349573.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibberellin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paclobutrazol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daminozide
using paclobutrazol and daminozide will give very noticeable results. the downside is that they could cause cancer. if i remember right its something like 5 in every million, and the fda cracks down on anything at or above 1 in every million people. sorry but dont know all the info on bud blood yet, if i remember correctly it is just a relabled version of one of the name brands listed below. im usualy more thorough but a bit busy lately. hope some of this info at least helps
Bushmaster: 271ppm Paclobutrazol
Gravity: 516ppm Paclobutrazol
Flower Dragon : 18,400-18,650ppm Daminozide, 30-46.3ppm Paclobutrazol
TopLoad: 3,467ppm Daminozide
Phosphoload: 17,800ppm Daminozide, 20.6ppm Paclobutrazol
http://www.cabi.org/GARA/FullTextPDF/2009/20093349573.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibberellin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paclobutrazol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daminozide
using paclobutrazol and daminozide will give very noticeable results. the downside is that they could cause cancer. if i remember right its something like 5 in every million, and the fda cracks down on anything at or above 1 in every million people. sorry but dont know all the info on bud blood yet, if i remember correctly it is just a relabled version of one of the name brands listed below. im usualy more thorough but a bit busy lately. hope some of this info at least helps
Bushmaster: 271ppm Paclobutrazol
Gravity: 516ppm Paclobutrazol
Flower Dragon : 18,400-18,650ppm Daminozide, 30-46.3ppm Paclobutrazol
TopLoad: 3,467ppm Daminozide
Phosphoload: 17,800ppm Daminozide, 20.6ppm Paclobutrazol