you have to pay $13.50 to vote in pennsylvania

[beenthere]

Allegheny County Controller Chelsa Wagner said. “About 10 percent of otherwise eligible Pennsylvanians are disenfranchised by the Voter ID law. That’s not an acceptable number of people to tell that they can’t vote.” Disenfranchised groups, Wagner said, include older residents, students and the poor.

Look up the meaning of disenfranchise, not even close my friend, try again!

 

[canndo]

At the Republican State Committee meeting, Turzai took the stage and let slip the truth about why Republicans are so insistent on voter identification efforts — it will win Romney the election, he said:

“We are focused on making sure that we meet our obligations that we’ve talked about for years,” said Turzai in a speech to committee members Saturday. He mentioned the law among a laundry list of accomplishments made by the GOP-run legislature.
“Pro-Second Amendment? The Castle Doctrine, it’s done. First pro-life legislation – abortion facility regulations – in 22 years, done. Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.”


There is a video floating around here of Turzai's words. Beenthere - I have answered all of your questions and will continue to do so. Kindly answer mine. What did Turzai mean when he said "Voter ID, which is gonna allow governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."? Was this statement somehow taken out of context and caused to mean something other than it seems?


And, you have not yet addressed why Ohio has sharply curtailed extra voting time, why did they do that Beenthere?

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[canndo]

I asserted no such thing, I said I'd be willing to bet.
BTW, ACORN employees are paid by the hour and have no monetary incentive to register more voters!
So you are wrong on that account.

I seem to be, however:

ACORN pays canvassers by the hour, not by the form, but it does ask them to meet certain registration goals. In ACORN’s Las Vegas office, one employee who admitted to submitting fraudulent registrations said that she did so because she found ACORN’s requirement of 20 registrations per day to be too steep to meet, according to an affidavit by a Nevada state criminal investigator.

 

[beenthere]

At the Republican State Committee meeting, Turzai took the stage and let slip the truth about why Republicans are so insistent on voter identification efforts — it will win Romney the election, he said:

“We are focused on making sure that we meet our obligations that we’ve talked about for years,” said Turzai in a speech to committee members Saturday. He mentioned the law among a laundry list of accomplishments made by the GOP-run legislature.
“Pro-Second Amendment? The Castle Doctrine, it’s done. First pro-life legislation – abortion facility regulations – in 22 years, done. Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.”


There is a video floating around here of Turzai's words. Beenthere - I have answered all of your questions and will continue to do so. Kindly answer mine. What did Turzai mean when he said "Voter ID, which is gonna allow governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."? Was this statement somehow taken out of context and caused to mean something other than it seems?


And, you have not yet addressed why Ohio has sharply curtailed extra voting time, why did they do that Beenthere?

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I take it as it would reduce voter fraud and there by give Mitt Romney a fair chance!

 

[beenthere]

And, you have not yet addressed why Ohio has sharply curtailed extra voting time, why did they do that Beenthere?

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Now you are deliberately being disingenuous canndo and you know it.
I gave the very answer you did, "I don't know"

 

[canndo]

Look up the meaning of disenfranchise, not even close my friend, try again!

"Disfranchisement (also called disenfranchisement) is the revocation of the right of suffrage (the right to vote) of a person or group of people, or rendering a person's vote less effective, or ineffective. Disfranchisement may occur explicitly through law, or implicitly by intimidation or by placing unreasonable requirements"

Now how has it been misused here Beenthere? in any case, if a group of people who are otherwise eligible to vote are no longer due to laws enacted by Republicans, there is a real problem, one that you are squirming to avoid. Unless, of course, you really don't think that the poor, the elderly, students and minorites should no longer be able to vote.


that isn't the case, is it?

 

[ginwilly]

why were they opening voting before the first debate anyway? I don't know this either, just seems odd.

 

[beenthere]

"Disfranchisement (also called disenfranchisement) is the revocation of the right of suffrage (the right to vote) of a person or group of people, or rendering a person's vote less effective, or ineffective. Disfranchisement may occur explicitly through law, or implicitly by intimidation or by placing unreasonable requirements"

Now how has it been misused here Beenthere? in any case, if a group of people who are otherwise eligible to vote are no longer due to laws enacted by Republicans, there is a real problem, one that you are squirming to avoid. Unless, of course, you really don't think that the poor, the elderly, students and minorites should no longer be able to vote.


that isn't the case, is it?

Funny, the only place I could find the definition of yours was Daily Kos and Wikipedia!

I searched Merriam Webster, the Free Dictionary and a few others and the word "derive" precedes all examples.
Is Penn. depriving anyone the right to vote? And if I refused to legally register, would I be deprived my right to vote?

 

[Fungus Gnat]

Why is most of the pages of this thread filled with rightwing dog whistles about the black panther party which is no way related to the topic?

 

[haight]

Oh I know, but they're not brown so it's okay.

Nice picture. Around Philly (where he got his start), we call him Screaming Stephen.

 

[UncleBuck]

No but providing ID cards is a service

i'm spending the $13.50 because i want to vote, not because i want an ID card.

try again.

 

[haight]

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

I am in the process of buying a shotgun. I found one I like for sale in Florida. To buy it I have to endure a ten day waiting period. I have to provide ID to prove who I am. I have to undergo a background check. Total cost is $45.00. Many firearms sellers won't ship to California because CA has an obstacle course of regulations and laws that out of staters can't (or are intimidated into not trying) navigate. My gun can't be shipped to me; it has to be shipped to a Federal Firearms Licensee who will hold it during the obstacle course.

Is all of this an unconstitutional "infringement"? It certainly seems so to me. Is the constitution sacrosanct only when electing people intent on voiding the constitution? It certainly seems so.

Voter registration fraud is rampant; it certainly was in the 2008 election. Why would anybody assume that actual voting fraud is not similarly rampant? Is citizenship a requirement to vote?

Yea it's infringemnt to be certain. But to tell you the truth, I rather suffer the inconvenience if it wll stem the tide of armed crews.

 

[UncleBuck]

Lost wages, possible bus fare, or gas...None of them are considered poll taxes.

none of those are paid directly to the government to be able to vote.

in PA, you have to pay the government $13.50 in order to be able to vote.

notice the difference?

 

[UncleBuck]

The GOP is doing other things to maintain their voting base....

[video=youtube;w9U0nbrbOEA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9U0nbrbOEA&feature=g-u-u[/video]

they may have to change strategies with little lord fauntleryan on the ticket now.

 

[cannabineer]

i'm spending the $13.50 because i want to vote, not because i want an ID card.

try again.

Are you voting in PA and not OR? cn

 

[haight]

Allegheny County Controller Chelsa Wagner said. “About 10 percent of otherwise eligible Pennsylvanians are disenfranchised by the Voter ID law. That’s not an acceptable number of people to tell that they can’t vote.” Disenfranchised groups, Wagner said, include older residents, students and the poor.

Just curious., how many of that ten percent are registered to vote.

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

[video=youtube;rdrAalZV22A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdrAalZV22A&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/video]

I think SAS is annoying and not the brightest. Sports reporting has gone downhill fast.

 

[beenthere]

Why is most of the pages of this thread filled with rightwing dog whistles about the black panther party which is no way related to the topic?

Hell, and here I thought this thread was about disenfranchising voters!

 

[haight]

i'm spending the $13.50 because i want to vote, not because i want an ID card.

try again.

Well I'm glad you're not pissing it away on lottery tickets or drugs.

 

[UncleBuck]

I'd be willing to bet that voter fraud is more rampant than law abiding citizens killing law abiding citizens with legally purchased guns!

well, then the burden would be on you to find over 105,000 cases of in person voter fraud each and every election cycle across the entire united states, because that is about the number of people who will die every four years from citizen gun violence.

and even if you did find 105,000 cases of in person voter fraud across the entire united states in each and every election, that number would be dwarfed by the amount of legitimate voters who would be disenfranchised in PA alone this year.

the number we have is 10: 10 cases of in person voter fraud in the last 10 years in the entire united states. i guess we should disenfranchise 700k pennsylvanians to prevent that, eh?

awesome GOP logic. rightarded.