Tricks to swell in the last two weeks

badbackbill

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What are some tricks you guys are running.I'm using the obvious koolbloom and I'm tryin carbo max or load soething like that anyhow but haven't really noticed a big difference . Can or should I run carbo load after I flush? I flush around 10 days but I do a major flush the first watering. I also read somewhere that flushing with humid or folic helps with taste but I'm a sceptic . Any constructive conversation on the topic would be appreciated thx.
 

eDude

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Any constructive conversation on the topic would be appreciated thx.
Not going to happen.. lol ;)

There aren't any 'tricks' really.. to me everything as a whole. So the key to getting the best plant is to give your plant the best life its whole life. Everyday building momentum into and through flowering.

With that said there are products that can have impact on your flowers but they take more then just two weeks to really work or you need to apply them much earlier.

You're thinking of Humic and Fulvic Acid and it's not bad but I can't say that it speaks directly to taste in the flush.
 

ru4r34l

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Advanced Nutrients Big Bud; 2mL/L weeks 2 through week 4 :roll:

like the human torch, FLAME ON :bigjoint:

regards,
 

jpill

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Bleach works great to put on mass around week 4 and 5 of flower. 1 tablespoon a gallon ! Works like a charm;-)
 

The New Jim Jones

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bleach fucks the root system up, not advisible, second worst additive of heard people use, first and foremost being that someone mixed in a gram of crack per 5 gallons
 

marc88101

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bleach fucks the root system up, not advisible, second worst additive of heard people use, first and foremost being that someone mixed in a gram of crack per 5 gallons
crack? That shit is for low life losers and scum bags anyhow, who give a fuck what they put in crack. I'd put poo in it if I had some! And then sell it and call is shack!
 

badbackbill

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I use liquid koolbloom bloom in the first 4 weeks of flowering to increases the amount od bud sites on the staulk during stretch. It works really well for that purpose. I then used powder slowly until week 6 then its full dose till middle od week 7. This time I ran diamond nectar right threw flower till the flush among with carbo stuff. Seems to be extremely hard bud but mass hasn't cause my eye as difference but there is still time left.
 

Uncle Ben

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What are some tricks you guys are running.I'm using the obvious koolbloom and I'm tryin carbo max or load soething like that anyhow but haven't really noticed a big difference . Can or should I run carbo load after I flush? I flush around 10 days but I do a major flush the first watering. I also read somewhere that flushing with humid or folic helps with taste but I'm a sceptic . Any constructive conversation on the topic would be appreciated thx.
Healthy green leaves, lots of them. You don't really think snake oils (koolbloom, carbo max) that induce leaf drop is gonna get you "swelled colas", do you?

Shitcan the snake oils, don't "flush", and learn what makes a plant tick.
 

Izoc666

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What are some tricks you guys are running.I'm using the obvious koolbloom and I'm tryin carbo max or load soething like that anyhow but haven't really noticed a big difference . Can or should I run carbo load after I flush? I flush around 10 days but I do a major flush the first watering. I also read somewhere that flushing with humid or folic helps with taste but I'm a sceptic . Any constructive conversation on the topic would be appreciated thx.
maybe the flush will impact on your yield...since they will swell real good when they re close to the end of cycle, ripen. Dont flush and keep feeding at the low dose till you harvest, it will have more yield...I know a lot of people would disagree with this statement but drying and cure method will turn your buds into a best taste, aroma meds :D

whatever you do...just expriement and get more exprience under your belt, you will find the best method, buddy. Hope you will have a bountiful harvest soon.

happy growing.
 

acidking

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- don't "flush", and learn what makes a plant tick.
Flushing may not help with the overall size, but it can help increase THC content, especially if you haven't cut way back on your nitrogen... at least according to a study published in the Journal of Industrial Hemp Production. They found that as nitrogen levels increased, THC levels decreased. Getting rid of excess Nitrogen in the soil, by flushing, and letting the plant use up it's nitrogen reserves can definitely help increase THC levels and improve smoke-ability.

The reason that it works for some people, and not for others, probably has to do with whether or not the grower has sufficiently cut back on nitrogen in their feeding program. Those who have will see little difference, those who haven't will notice a big difference.

High levels of Potassium have also been found to have a detrimental effect on THC levels, you don't want to cut it out completely, but it should be used in lower quantities than Phosphorus.

For people who grow hydroponically, and want to get away from flushing... I would suggest that the last 2 weeks you minimize nitrogen and cut back on the ratio of Potassium to Phosphorus, you still want to provide calcium though. My suggestion would be Botanicare's Hydroplex (0-10-6) supplemented with Cal-Mag (2-0-0), in this way you're reducing your levels of Potassium and minimizing Nitrogen, but not cutting them out completely. You can of course use any other Nutrient, or mix of nutrients, to arrive at around the same 1-5-3 ratio. Or if you want to cut out nitrogen entirely, supplement Hydroplex with just calcium.

As an added note, studies have shown that THC levels are highest in the morning and degrade throughout the day, which is why the extended dark periods before harvest have gained traction. Whether there is any benefit to adding extra days to a dark period, I don't know, but by harvesting after a dark period, or first thing in the morning, you will be harvesting at your plants peak THC time of day.
 

tip top toker

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When i started growing i bought into these things, boost, big bud etc, and thought that it was those which was giving me good yields. Then once i was able to grow a nice happy plant (basically once i bought a real ph meter not one of those 2 prong bastards) i did a few side by side comparisson grows. The additives made no difference to my yield.
 

acidking

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The additives made no difference to my yield.
Agreed, get your nutrient delivery dialed in and there is no need for supplements. Any sort of carb based supplement and you're just asking for trouble in hydro, I've tried several and it always ended with an pH that would skyrocket to 7-8 and resist any attempt to bring it down. I'd always end up having to drain the reservoirs and flush the system with R/O and H2O2 to get the system back in the 5.4-5.8 pH range. No more supplements for me.

Also, I'd stay away from Advanced Nutrients, I tried their new pH perfect Connoisseur two part system, just to experiment with, and it's not stable at all, I went to transfer the part B to my dispensing container the same day I bought it, so many of the nutrients had fallen out of suspension that what was left at the bottom of the original container looked like 2 ounces of rock candy, how they are still in business is beyond me.

I've had good luck in the past with GH 3 part Flora Series, very stable, I haven't had the nutrients drop out of suspension... but I've wanted to get the Nitrogen down in Bloom while still getting enough nutrients, which is hard because their FloraMicro is 5-0-1.

I have since switched to Botanicare's CNS17 Commercial Nutrient System and couldn't be happier. It's cheap, about $22 a gallon, and has all the nutrients you need, including decent levels of Calcium and Magnesium, which means you don't have to supplement with Cal-Mag until you hit the last few weeks of bloom. I have some smaller containers that I'm using up, they are more than a year old and still in full suspension. I just hit my plants with CNS17 Ripe (1-5-4) and within 2 days the buds exploded in size, I will be following this up with CNS17 Ripe/Hydroplex for the last 2 weeks.

This is what my current feeding schedule looks like (attachment). My reservoirs are 24 gallons, and so is my mixing tank, so I have an easy reference chart for both mixing a full tank, or just topping off with 5 gallons. I do adjust with R/O water if my PPMs rise too much, and I keep my pH between 5.4-5.8

My yields have gone up since I ditched the additives, I hit 38.5oz in a 3x6 area (4 week Veg, 8 week Flower) my last grow, from seed. Because of all the pH problems the additives were causing, especially the "Carb" based ones, my previous best for that space had been 22 Oz. Same strain, same lights... and 38.5 oz was from a heat stressed grow... we had several weeks of 100 (f) days with 80% humidity - air conditioning running flat out 24/7, I had each light cycle off for 30 minutes every 3 hours for the 600w's and every 4 hours for the 400w. Temperatures still stayed in the mid 90's, the chiller on my reservoir had trouble keeping them below 78 (f) when it normally keeps them at 65 (f). Summer sucks, and carb based additives suck for hydro.

The strain I was, and am currently, running is a cross between an Underground Original's Killer Skunk (male) and a Serious Seeds Bubble Gum (female). The Killer Skunk male - I chose for it's fast production, It already had dozens of pollen sacs before any of my other Killer Skunks were even showing sex. The Bubble Gum was the best cross of bulk and trichome production from the 30 seeds I started with. I also crossed that fast acting male with my best Killer Skunk mother, The resulting seeds are f2, and I've labeled them Killer Skunk - Blitzkrieg Edition, I really should try them out... 1st world problems - too many seeds, not enough grow space.

Trichome production is much greater under my 400w Philips CMH MasterColor Retro White than under my 600w HPS Digilux bulbs, where the two lights meet I get the best of both worlds, but the Trichome production is still greatest directly under the 400w CMH bulb.
 

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Uncle Ben

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Flushing may not help with the overall size, but it can help increase THC content, especially if you haven't cut way back on your nitrogen... at least according to a study published in the Journal of Industrial Hemp Production. They found that as nitrogen levels increased, THC levels decreased. Getting rid of excess Nitrogen in the soil, by flushing, and letting the plant use up it's nitrogen reserves can definitely help increase THC levels and improve smoke-ability.
Don't buy into any of those postulations. Got a link for me? I'd like to know what the biodynamics are at play, if any. I use whatever N it takes to sustain leaves in a green and healthy state up until harvest. If that means giving them a 30-10-10, because they require it, at week 7 of a 9 week flowering period, then that's what you do. Check this page out and the next regarding my prodigious use of N during flowering, as we speak. https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/296685-lost-art-foliar-feeding-23.html

And what percentages are we talking about? Anything as low as 10% one way or the other is not going to be perceptible under normal toking.

UB
 
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