ginjawarrior
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So let me get this right you side with old style liberals(democrats) but not modern liberals (democrats) as they are 2 different things
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Mr Neutron
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Is that a question? I'm not sure because I reread my post and I could not find one mention of democrats.
canndo
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No, libertarian is not a liberal as libertarians do not see government as a portion of the process of empowering the individual or indemnifying the individual against harm.
This is a portion of classic liberalism as well an is distinct from libertarianism.
I suppose we should talk about the difference between left and right.
This is a portion of classic liberalism as well an is distinct from libertarianism.
I suppose we should talk about the difference between left and right.
kelly4
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Now you're catchin' on...
ginjawarrior
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That's why I'm trying to clear it up as your side of the pond uses the terms slightly differently to over here
When people talk about democrats on here liberal socialist, communist all seem interchangeable
So would classic liberal be akin to democratic party of old say before 1912(or when ever fed started)
Mr Neutron
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I am not even considering political parties as part of the definition. Neither do I recognize the "you're either right or left" paradigm.
I would suggest either letting deprave decide the definitions, since he was the one who started this thread, or use wikipedia or some other acceptable independent source.
kelly4
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Like UB or abandonconflict?
Mr Neutron
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rotflmfao...
ginjawarrior
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I did have a look on wiki and best fit I could find was neo classical liberalism.
Deprave was intentionally vague you were the first to define and identify with it.
i was just trying to see what it mean for you not sure the reason for you evasion
Mr Neutron
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Well, sorry. A classic liberal and libertarian are the same, as far as I am concerned. You are welcome to submit testimony/evidence to the contrary and I will consider it, otherwise it's a futile exercise.
As far as progressives go, they may not call themselves communists but they believe the same ideology, which is totally opposite of the principles of the founding fathers.
"Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth." V for Vendetta
As long as the definition of words is ambiguous and the misuse of words is accepted, there can be no debate.
Mr Neutron
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If you think I am being evasive, you're wrong. I am trying to establish a foundation for the definition of the terms.
I did a search on wikipedia for neo classic liberalism and it told me there is no such page... I'm not sure if that is evasive or not but if you could provide that link for me, I'd appreciate it.
Mr Neutron
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... cute...
canndo
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If that is the case, and I said that you were a libertarian then I was correct. The Classic liberal does not believe in no government or necessarily less "obtrusive government". There is a seperate and distinct word for your ideology, and so there is for liberal. You are not a liberal and attaching a modifyer to it such as "classic" does not change the basic meaning.
But we can still play with a different set of words - namely left or right.
"As long as the definition of words is ambiguous and the misuse of words is accepted, there can be no debate" - we agree and as such, once cannot ambiguously claim that one set of words is "the same as far as you are concerned" with another word then missuse of words is accepted.
But we can still play with a different set of words - namely left or right.
"As long as the definition of words is ambiguous and the misuse of words is accepted, there can be no debate" - we agree and as such, once cannot ambiguously claim that one set of words is "the same as far as you are concerned" with another word then missuse of words is accepted.
Liberal Liberals are people who believe that people should be as free as possible with as little government intervention as possible. They are opposite to conservatives who believe the status quo and stick to old traditions and policies. Liberals are advocates of changes in policies that are meant for the betterment of people. At one point of time, liberals stood for personal liberty more than anything else. Liberalism in politics means standing for the rights and freedom of the individual. Liberals are believed to be standing to the left of the centrist position. If you are a liberal, you can be criticized for being socialistic in leanings.
Libertarian Libertarian is a political ideology that believes in Live and let live. These people want very little intervention from the state in the affairs of the citizens; so much so that, at times, they are referred to as supporters of anarchism. The word is derived from liberty, and a libertarian is an individual who believes in liberty. Personal freedom is what libertarians believe in though they also believe in social responsibility. A libertarian is dead against any governmental interference in personal or business decisions of citizens. This in turns translates into smaller governments, taxes, and bureaucracy while at the same time signifying greater personal freedom.
Read more: http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-liberal-and-vs-libertarian/#ixzz27b16gmGN
Libertarian Libertarian is a political ideology that believes in Live and let live. These people want very little intervention from the state in the affairs of the citizens; so much so that, at times, they are referred to as supporters of anarchism. The word is derived from liberty, and a libertarian is an individual who believes in liberty. Personal freedom is what libertarians believe in though they also believe in social responsibility. A libertarian is dead against any governmental interference in personal or business decisions of citizens. This in turns translates into smaller governments, taxes, and bureaucracy while at the same time signifying greater personal freedom.
Read more: http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-liberal-and-vs-libertarian/#ixzz27b16gmGN
canndo
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I found such a definition, neo classic liberalism and it does overlay libertarianism but the words esesntialy mean "new-old-liberalism" and make no real sense.
ginjawarrior
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
"The term classical liberalism was applied in retrospect to distinguish earlier 19th-century liberalism from the newer social liberalism.[SUP][10][/SUP]Libertarianism has been used in modern times as a substitute for the phrase "neo-classical liberalism", leading to some confusion. The identification of libertarianism with neo-classical liberalism primarily occurs in the United States,[SUP][11][/SUP] where someconservatives and right-libertarians use the term classical liberalism to describe their belief in the primacy of economic freedom and minimal government.[SUP][12][/SUP][SUP][13][/SUP][SUP][14]"
Most of classical liberalism Section in wiki speaks of the uk and I don't think that's what your talking about. So was trying to find out the party and prleriod your version of classical liberalism comes from[/SUP]