Dwc/h2o2??
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superstoner1
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just keep temps in check and add a beneficial. use h2o2 only if you have a rot problem and then start a beneficial regiment.
marc88101
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I keep my rez temps at About 68\70 room temp at 75 lights on 68\ lights off. Would you say that's optimal? I also used to use hygrozyme but it seemed to make shit a bit slimy. This is all using a flood and drain table, wondering If dwc is different in any of these things?
SOMEBEECH
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I just completed a grow in a new Coco lid Waterfarm with no issues.Your temps are fine.
Agree with SS on BF when needed.I did find i could run PPM alot lower in DWC.800 being max.
Good air,and stones and Temps. I did a 24hr Florakleen flush every 2 weeks or until half the nutes were topped.
Lucas F
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mountainboy
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If your using chemical nutes (non organic) use the h2o2 29% @ 5ml/gal every other day, 50% @ 3ml/gal. Its a great preventive step,dont wait for a problem & then try to fix it. By then its to late and will cost you recovery time and a loss in yield. Beneficials are for organics and again if you wait for a problem and then try to fix it it hits u with losses in the end.
mountainboy
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WTF? This person is posting nonsense all over RIU, makes me laugh, but stll WTF?
superstoner1
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so is saying to run h2o2 as a preventative and that beneficials dont work in non organics.
Clown Baby
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Personally I like a sterile res in hydro.
H2O2 will get the job done but it's expensive and not the easiest to source at high concentrations.
I've been using bleach. A lot of commercial hydroponic operations (like professional growers with horticultural degrees. not marijuana) use bleach to control res pathogens. It works. The only bad thing about bleach is the look that people give you when you tell them you're using bleach.. lol.
This is a good read:
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/327967-bleach-instead-h2o2.html
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/286022-killing-root-rot-2.html
As you read through the different posts, you can tell who actually knows what he's talking about and who's just throwing around the same forum rhetoric with no real experience. pay attention to Fatmans posts.
Beneficials are a also viable option if you want to go that route.
H2O2 will get the job done but it's expensive and not the easiest to source at high concentrations.
I've been using bleach. A lot of commercial hydroponic operations (like professional growers with horticultural degrees. not marijuana) use bleach to control res pathogens. It works. The only bad thing about bleach is the look that people give you when you tell them you're using bleach.. lol.
This is a good read:
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/327967-bleach-instead-h2o2.html
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/286022-killing-root-rot-2.html
As you read through the different posts, you can tell who actually knows what he's talking about and who's just throwing around the same forum rhetoric with no real experience. pay attention to Fatmans posts.
Beneficials are a also viable option if you want to go that route.
mountainboy
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Well I've always used h2o2 and never had rot problems,proof is in the pudding. I didnt say beneficials dont work in non organic,just dont see the sense in make things more complicated. I have always found it easier to run a sterile environment then complicate things.
I am interested in why you think running h2o2 as a preventative measure is not a good idea,it increases DO and oxidizes dead organic material and kills pathogens,cant see the down side of using it. But please enlighten me.
I guess its easier to brew up a tea of beneficial BACTERIA then to measure 5ml of h2o2.
mountainboy
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Just in case your referring to me as spouting rhetoric let me assure you I practice what I preach. h2o2 is readily available in 29% and 50% at hydro shops, restaurant supply stores or the good old internet. Yes it is more expensive then bleach,but you get what you pay for right. h2o2 breaks down into h2o,bleach breaks down into table salt. bleach is toxic to plants no matter who is using it,and if large scale food growers are using it its because its cheap and they can afford to lose some product to bad practices, not because its a better or safe product,as far as them being professional grower with degrees,I assure u someone else is signing there pay check,and they where told to watch the bottom line.I would trust a pot growers practices alot more, as they have alot more riding on there crop in comparison.
superstoner1
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and a $15 jar of pondzyme will treat thousands of gallons and allows natural processes for healthy plants. i run 50gal res's and my jar last for two years.
mountainboy
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oxidation is a natural process, an I buy H2O2 for $15 a gallon 29% lasts me a few months but I use it to clean also. I also have a 50gal rez.
Also still waiting to hear your opinion on why using H2O2 as a preventative is nonsense,or is it just because its not what you do?
Also still waiting to hear your opinion on why using H2O2 as a preventative is nonsense,or is it just because its not what you do?
superstoner1
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its nonsense because it kills the beneficial bacteria that are found in nature and help to breakdown elements making them much easier for the plant to absorb them. this is a natutal process and without them the plant is more succeptable to issues. i started growing in dwc and i used h2o2 because thats what everyone said, then i went to beneficials and have never seen such happy roots and plants. it was a visible difference, thats enough for me.
mountainboy
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Well then like I said its better suited for organic growing,because in inorganic(chemical) nutes the elements are already broken down to there elemental forms and are readily available to be absorbed by the roots, they dont need to be broken down to be absorbed. I just beleave in a sterile environment (non-organic) you dont want to introduce bacteria. I mean what would bacteria break N for example into?
If your running chem nutes and add bacteria what good would that do,what would they eat? they serve no purpose when using chem nutes.
superstoner1
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the root growth alone is worth it.
mountainboy
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so bacteria grows roots? I'm going to go take a shit in my rez right now. I'll keep you posted on the results.
superstoner1
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you just showed your true ignorance and wasted all of your posts.
mountainboy
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I was wondering if you might want to reconsider this statement now? I have yet to hear you answer any questions I posed to you or refute anything I have posted with any valid points. As per your last response and I quote" the root growth alone is worth it" really thats your rebuttal? Please dont call my credibility into question again, if you cant make a reasonable argument against what I posted.
As far as showing your ignorance and wasting posts,you better go back and read our debate,I think you will find you are at fault for that.
firsttimeARE
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H2O2 is a good sterilizer and an easy solution, zymes of any kind should not be used and you must use it 3-4 days regularly
Beneficials are also good at populating good to fight bad, which is a harder solution and stains roots from the EWC if making a tea.
I've used them both, started off with h2o2 and moved to benes, now I use nothing. Out of all 3 processes the only time I came across issues was with h2o2. But I realize that was because of adding enzymes and not applying the h2o2 religiously.
My roots are whiter using nothing, but just as healthy as benes.
Beneficials are also good at populating good to fight bad, which is a harder solution and stains roots from the EWC if making a tea.
I've used them both, started off with h2o2 and moved to benes, now I use nothing. Out of all 3 processes the only time I came across issues was with h2o2. But I realize that was because of adding enzymes and not applying the h2o2 religiously.
My roots are whiter using nothing, but just as healthy as benes.
Clown Baby
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I wasnt referring to you specifically. H2O2 works fine. It was more of a general reference that I was making.
Bleach is not "toxic to plants no matter how you use it" As with everything else, there is a threshold.
As far as the "you get what you pay for" reference. That's exactly what AN and H&G want you to think. They sell so many bullshit products simply because that's the mentality of people with more money than sense. Bud blood sells for almost $300/lb Thats a fucking joke. Pot is not a magical plant with special requirements, despite what nutrient manufacturers want you to think.
As far as "trusting pot grower practices" more than traditional horticultural methods, you lost me. "Paper towel method" is a pot grower method and handling the tap root is a retarded thing to do.