Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

[Figong]

typical troll answer, I don't need to post pics, I'm not running around claiming to have reinvented the wheel. Grown lots of strains, all have been hybrids. I wouldn't waste my time and energy growing a pure sativa indoors(if I could find one) And, if it was a pure sativa, it would have very slim and few leaves and wouldn't need any (plucking) Gee, And I don't know sativas, ninja please.

And on top of that, Chuck is just a dude, playing a dude, disguised as another dude. He's actually your neighbor who outgrows your lame excuse for colored popcorn.

 

[mrCRC420]

So Anyways...
Usually, I will bend any leaves that are in the way of bud sights; especially in the case of an LST plant. However, sometimes, I will cut a leaf that is constantly in the way or just throwing off the plant's balance. While, yes, this creates a loss in energy and food - marijuana is a weed/vegetable and the energy will be found again; thus, if I feel like cutting something, I cut it. It is pretty damn rare that I'll cut a fan leaf but I'm not scared at all!

Consider Super-Croppings, It's A Resilient Herb!

 

[Apomixis]

The plant reserves starches for situations like this, the roots and stem can really drive new growth.
Seems like mrCRC knows what he is doing.

 

[Bud Brewer]

1 - that isn't a true Haze (pure sativa hybrid0,

2 - you could have doubled your yield if you had left the plant alone.

Ya mostly pure crossed to keep it from going 20 weeks instead of 14weeks but it still produced 21 ozs about as much as you did with a whole summer of veg endless sun and what should have been endless roots your jealously is obvious.

You mean I could have got well over 4 pounds with a 1000 watt Only if listened to you and grow small plants like in your avatar.
I could have had 4 plants instead of 2 that would have gotten me over 3 pounds maybe 4 with proper defoliation and some tweaks something you will never get close to.

That right there is the opinion of someone that has little gardening experience. You are flat out clueless.

UB

I am out growing you even after not growing for more than 6 years and only using my homemade nutes and mixes something you can't do if it doesn't come as a chemical your lost and still can't grow on my level.
I grew my first plant in 1984 your jealousy never stops you have to follow me around trolling my thread because it was showing the defoliated plants were even with the naturals and twice the size of the topped one's something your lack of experience and testing couldn't understand so you have a tantrum.

No you have not.

In fact you have not posted one single study that shows defoliation increases anything in a healthy environment with healthy plants.

Your reading comprehension is very limited only one study dealt with drought the rest didn't but you know everything because you read a couple of books and have never run tests or tried anything outside the box so be happy with your average yields.

To be fair, he's had many legitimate posts deleted by the site admin, so it's hard to know what was posted and what wasn't. these posts didn't include the same level of insults that UB regularly sinks to, so we're only left to wonder why they were deleted in the first place.

I never swear in my posts I don't need to I know what's what just because so many trolls are defensive about me posting bucket sized colas that are just a fraction of the plant Intimidating and jealousy comes into play when your on top the untalented always want to knock you down to their level.
I'm high above that testing and reflowering large plants doing things against the grain and getting much better results then following a book written long ago and never actually trying anything new.

Depending on method used, I would arguably say more than doubled.. and that's not even factoring bulb spectrums that most wouldn't use, and using side bulbs too... <sarcasm> but I'm new to this game, so I guess I should listen to Bud Brewer and cut off every leaf that doesn't show flowering site, just to force all the energy to only those branches so I can grow a plant that looks like the Charlie Brown Christmas tree. </sarcasm>

I have a spectrum that most wouldn't use a 7200k enhanced red metal halide vertical so you were saying something about yield being double that would be 4.5 pounds.
I will get close to on my next run with six monster plants and real experience something none of you jealous trolls could even come close to so grow you little plants and "cut off every leaf that doesn't show flowering site" this makes no sense as do most of these posts making up things that I never said but jealousy brings out the smallness in people no big deal I grow charlie brown christmas trees that grow out to be huge bushes with colas the size of 5 gallon buckets.

typical troll answer, I don't need to post pics, I'm not running around claiming to have reinvented the wheel. Grown lots of strains, all have been hybrids. I wouldn't waste my time and energy growing a pure sativa indoors(if I could find one) And, if it was a pure sativa, it would have very slim and few leaves and wouldn't need any (plucking) Gee, And I don't know sativas, ninja please.

Only trolls argue unarmed you don't post pics because nothing you have ever done will compare to my first plants out of retirement my next round will be much better if that is possible and yes from your earlier post you clearly don't know anything about sativas back pedaling much?

So Anyways...
Usually, I will bend any leaves that are in the way of bud sights; especially in the case of an LST plant. However, sometimes, I will cut a leaf that is constantly in the way or just throwing off the plant's balance. While, yes, this creates a loss in energy and food - marijuana is a weed/vegetable and the energy will be found again; thus, if I feel like cutting something, I cut it. It is pretty damn rare that I'll cut a fan leaf but I'm not scared at all!

Consider Super-Croppings, It's A Resilient Herb!

So you have done side by sides with supercropping I'd like to see it because it can really slow a plant down like topping but you guys grow whatever way you like I have tried every method of training unlike most.

I like the top colas and the speed of growth with defoliation it is kicking the topped plants asses but unless you actually do it you can only talk theory.

My test will be finished elsewhere the proof is already showing the topped plants are half the size with just a bit more branch length without the top I thought they would grow faster but no they can't keep up without the top.

I have wasted plenty of time trying to get the ignorant to understand another training method but Ignorance is bliss enjoy your plants one day you may have the balls to try something new and get some actual experience and results good luck to you all Bud Brewer out.

 

[chuck estevez]

Ya mostly pure crossed to keep it from going 20 weeks instead of 14weeks but it still produced 21 ozs about as much as you did with a whole summer of veg endless sun and what should have been endless roots your jealously is obvious.

You mean I could have got well over 4 pounds with a 1000 watt Only if listened to you and grow small plants like in your avatar.
I could have had 4 plants instead of 2 that would have gotten me over 3 pounds maybe 4 with proper defoliation and some tweaks something you will never get close to.



I am out growing you even after not growing for more than 6 years and only using my homemade nutes and mixes something you can't do if it doesn't come as a chemical your lost and still can't grow on my level.
I grew my first plant in 1984 your jealousy never stops you have to follow me around trolling my thread because it was showing the defoliated plants were even with the naturals and twice the size of the topped one's something your lack of experience and testing couldn't understand so you have a tantrum.




Your reading comprehension is very limited only one study dealt with drought the rest didn't but you know everything because you read a couple of books and have never run tests or tried anything outside the box so be happy with your average yields.



I never swear in my posts I don't need to I know what's what just because so many trolls are defensive about me posting bucket sized colas that are just a fraction of the plant Intimidating and jealousy comes into play when your on top the untalented always want to knock you down to their level.
I'm high above that testing and reflowering large plants doing things against the grain and getting much better results then following a book written long ago and never actually trying anything new.



I have a spectrum that most wouldn't use a 7200k enhanced red metal halide vertical so you were saying something about yield being double that would be 4.5 pounds.
I will get close to on my next run with six monster plants and real experience something none of you jealous trolls could even come close to so grow you little plants and "cut off every leaf that doesn't show flowering site" this makes no sense as do most of these posts making up things that I never said but jealousy brings out the smallness in people no big deal I grow charlie brown christmas trees that grow out to be huge bushes with colas the size of 5 gallon buckets.



Only trolls argue unarmed you don't post pics because nothing you have ever done will compare to my first plants out of retirement my next round will be much better if that is possible and yes from your earlier post you clearly don't know anything about sativas back pedaling much?



So you have done side by sides with supercropping I'd like to see it because it can really slow a plant down like topping but you guys grow whatever way you like I have tried every method of training unlike most.

I like the top colas and the speed of growth with defoliation it is kicking the topped plants asses but unless you actually do it you can only talk theory.

My test will be finished elsewhere the proof is already showing the topped plants are half the size with just a bit more branch length without the top I thought they would grow faster but no they can't keep up without the top.

I have wasted plenty of time trying to get the ignorant to understand another training method but Ignorance is bliss enjoy your plants one day you may have the balls to try something new and get some actual experience and results good luck to you all Bud Brewer out.

 

[Bud Brewer]

You seem to do that a lot learn to grow it won't hurt your head as much with just a bit of experience.

So no pictures that could even come close I understand why your upset with your inferiority.

 

[chuck estevez]

You seem to do that a lot learn to grow it won't hurt your head as much with just a bit of experience.

So no pictures that could even come close I understand why your upset with your inferiority.

I don't fall for that troll response. I do 2 runs to your 1, so what's better, nice dense nugs finished in 8 weeks, or big fluffy buds that take 14 weeks of energy to finish? You aren't convincing anyone here.

 

[Alexander Supertramp]

The only reason the defoil test thread was closed is because he knew it was failing to show his supposed point. So rather than admit failure he had the thread closed as a cop out, plain and simple. We all saw the untouched plants where outperforming the mugged plants. The 'they recover in 3 days' my ass. No pics at picking time and three days later to prove that. Actually very few pics at all. I actually won a few bets through PMs. I told you guys what was going to happen to the thread even before it happened. That's called REAL experience in REAL world situation's BB is a rookie that got lucky on a grow with some bomb genetics, I have figured out he must be like seven feet tall though. Some of those pics taken down from above those '54 inch' plants, clearly taken a foot or two above them, yet his crock clad feet where on the floor, simply amazing. That's why he deleted all his pics. He knew a few where getting ready to call him out on many of the inconsistencies in them. Just a bunch of bullshit from him. And now he's talking about how he's bred shorter flowering times? What a fucking joke, bahahahaha, too funny. Keep practicing little buddy and one day mommy may take your training wheels off for you..

 

[Uncle Ben]

Yep, and like ol Georgie says, "that's just weird.".

 

[Alexander Supertramp]

Weird yet predictable......

 

[akula]

Your reading comprehension is very limited only one study dealt with drought the rest didn't but you know everything because you read a couple of books and have never run tests or tried anything outside the box so be happy with your average yields.

My reading comprehensions is just fine but I am starting to question your ethics. I asked you months ago to point out which of the studies, that you listed, were based on defoliation as a method of increased yields and you were unable to. Each of those studies that I looked into were simply studies that were trying to minimize the loss of yield from certain pests or conditions that caused unwanted defoliation. They tried to minimize those losses through different means like selective defoliation, rather then random like via the insects. I post the question again in case you would like to actually respond this time.

• No they dont. In fact I cannot find one study there that is strictly talking about increased yield through defoliation.
  
  Yes there are studies about defoliation through cow consumption and the effects of their flatulence to increase C02.
  
  Yes there is a study that shows the effects of defoliation to put off silking in corn. What correlation do you make there?
  
  Yes their is a study about diminishing defoliation loses, caused by insects, simulated through targeted insect defoliation to minimize yield loss. I dont think you want to use that one right? Since it part of the hypothesis is that defoliation, via insects cause damaged loss of crops because reduced biomass.
  
  As far as I can tell, every study you listed is trying to find ways to minimize yield loss, by optimizing defoliation...not because its a super sweet gardening trick....but because defoliation is a problem certain crops are faced with in certain environments naturally.
  
  So which one should we focus on? I am not going to waste all day rummaging through studies that have no significant value to your point.
  
  
  
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[Figong]

Bud Brewer.. question for you. What happens when the plants are in need of dire sugars they simply can't keep up with or attain due to having fan leaves chopped off? (I'm ready for a legitimate debate without personal attacks, if you're up for it - will end this once and for all.)

 

[Bud Brewer]

There are always leaves left behind they may be small but in 3 days replace the leaf mass. I let them go at least a week usually two before veg defoliation happens again so the sugars are always present and not a concern I don't keep them stripped naked all the time.
Whether you believe it or not you end up with more leaves and branches driving more growth later on.
It's more like a imaginary deer comes by every couple of weeks and eats the big leaves off my dog even did it so it happens in nature all the time also with hail and wind plus bugs this is a natural process.

 

[Figong]

There are always leaves left behind they may be small but in 3 days replace the leaf mass. I let them go at least a week usually two before veg defoliation happens again so the sugars are always present and not a concern I don't keep them stripped naked all the time.
Whether you believe it or not you end up with more leaves and branches driving more growth later on.
It's more like a imaginary deer comes by every couple of weeks and eats the big leaves off my dog even did it so it happens in nature all the time also with hail and wind plus bugs this is a natural process.

I can see where you equate that.. but 3/4 of a leaf gone still provides some energy to the plant, which is why many recommend against the full cutting. I've seen cutting 1/2 of the leaf off work sort of, with mixed results just the same... Phytology of this plant is pretty detailed, and Robert C Clarke (leading cannabis researcher for a group in Amsterdam), who also happens to be highly regarded in his views.. details the processes.. and points out that even full fan leaves with light in some instances are simply not enough for max growth/yield.. and is the very same reason why people run molasses as part of the regimen.

 

[akula]

Your reading comprehension is so poor my plants didn't go 14 weeks the lemon haze Skunkdoc grew did DO YOU UNDERSTAND so no pics WHY?..........

Man you are completely all over the place. I love the way you start your replies with insults continue your insults throughout then cry about others insults on some other thread. You may need to take a break.

 

[Sir.Ganga]

Yields are quite surprising too considering I left all the leaves on the plants. You'd think that according to conventional noobie wisdom they would have yielded far less.

UB

Really though...You have proven that you do not know the difference between a good crop and a bad one, anyone with a little knowledge and can read, can see for themself EXACTLY what you are.

An Outdoor Gardener that has limited knowledge about INDOOR Gardening but because you can drop a seed outdoors and it grows, think he's a GANGA GURU.

WELL YA AIN'T!

If your Conventional noobies do this:


I guess you can call me a noobie then....But really when it comes to indoors...SHUT UP and Take NOTES...You have a lot to learn!

 

[chuck estevez]

Really though...You have proven that you do not know the difference between a good crop and a bad one, anyone with a little knowledge and can read, can see for themself EXACTLY what you are.

An Outdoor Gardener that has limited knowledge about INDOOR Gardening but because you can drop a seed outdoors and it grows, think he's a GANGA GURU.

WELL YA AIN'T!

If your Conventional noobies do this:
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I guess you can call me a noobie then....But really when it comes to indoors...SHUT UP and Take NOTES...You have a lot to learn!

Dude, You try so hard to have a following like UB, but your ideas are all assbackwards.
I have never seen someone so green with envy.

 

[Bud Brewer]

I can see where you equate that.. but 3/4 of a leaf gone still provides some energy to the plant, which is why many recommend against the full cutting. I've seen cutting 1/2 the leaf off work sort of, with mixed results just the same... Phytology of this plant is pretty detailed, and Robert C Clarke (leading cannabis researcher for a group in Amsterdam), who also happens to be highly regarded in his views.. details the processes.. and points out that even full fan leaves with light in some instances are simply not enough for max growth/yield.. and is the very same reason why people run molasses as part of the regimen.

I have heard of trimming leaves instead of removal but the reason I do it is to force the side growth out to become new big fan leaves.

I leave the leaves at the top and side branch ends to keep growing removing the rest of the big leaves forcing the secondary branches out to replace theleaf mass and I only did a half defoliation In flower it was so thick at 3 weeks and a cleanup a couple of weeks before chop.

I ran molasses for the potassium cal/mag iron trace elements and sugar for the bacteria to feed the plant.

 

[PJ Diaz]

There are always leaves left behind they may be small but in 3 days replace the leaf mass. I let them go at least a week usually two before veg defoliation happens again so the sugars are always present and not a concern I don't keep them stripped naked all the time.
Whether you believe it or not you end up with more leaves and branches driving more growth later on.
It's more like a imaginary deer comes by every couple of weeks and eats the big leaves off my dog even did it so it happens in nature all the time also with hail and wind plus bugs this is a natural process.

I can see where you equate that.. but 3/4 of a leaf gone still provides some energy to the plant, which is why many recommend against the full cutting. I've seen cutting 1/2 of the leaf off work sort of, with mixed results just the same... Phytology of this plant is pretty detailed, and Robert C Clarke (leading cannabis researcher for a group in Amsterdam), who also happens to be highly regarded in his views.. details the processes.. and points out that even full fan leaves with light in some instances are simply not enough for max growth/yield.. and is the very same reason why people run molasses as part of the regimen.

If you read Clarke's book you'll find all references of his towards leaf removal is mainly speculation, full of "may" and "possibly", but nothing empirical.. Take a look for yourself on page 46.

 

[Alexander Supertramp]

It is what it is...


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