Induction Lights? The newest (supposedly) technology in Induction Grow Lights

[natro.hydro]

Scar how is the igrow cheaper? I am not a fan, one of the local shops is a dealer and they just keep giving me spin, still have yet to see a spectral distribution graph for Igrow, inda has them all of their site... I like inda because you only need the one bulb, Loon did fine all the way through with a 420 and pulled 3/4 pound if I am not mistaken, he is also a first time grower, that impressed me. The pontoon as cool as it is to have it is not necessary, I just had money to blow from tax time so I bought that sucker and am not dissapointed as of yet but I still have to harvest. If you ask me I would say grab the pontoon if you have the money but it is not a must have piece of equipment to operate the 420, you will just see better yields and potentially shorter flowering time, the jury is still out on this though, talk to me in 2 months... Oh and the kicker, inda's warranty is way longer

 

[SCARHOLE]

Whoops I got it backward inda grow is cheeper.
Thanks natrohydro.

 

[natro.hydro]

Definitely had me confused for a sec since you seem to know a decent amount about induction and manufacturers lol. Its all good bro we stoners are likely to forget shit sometimes lol.

 

[chazbolin]

Definitely had me confused for a sec since you seem to know a decent amount about induction and manufacturers lol. Its all good bro we stoners are likely to forget shit sometimes lol.

You know the old KISS adage applies

'Keep it Simple Stoner'

 

[hyroot]

The riant is $450 with a 3 year warranty. So in 3 years when you buy another one (if fails). You will have spent more than The inda gro. Maybe once they release their new light... Gordo got spd's from I grow and posted a while ago on here. They were horrible and $500 more than inda gro.

If you wanto save money and get cheaper induction. Go to best in green solutions. They don't have as much red phosphors as IG. So you would have to.supplement. They don't have hoods either. But you can get 400w for $370. Addsome flora suns t5's or red leds. They have round 120 w for $60 each. They have a 5 year warranty.

 

[Loonquawl]

Loon did fine all the way through with a 420 and pulled 3/4 pound if I am not mistaken, he is also a first time grower

Just short of 1/2.

 

[SCARHOLE]

I was told the Riant light was 5 yr warranty.
It says so on the site.
ill ask mr Wu if the warranty has changed ????
I've been telling him to increase his warrenty to compete.

If Riants warrenty is half IndaGro's an its half the cost it's Bakanced IMHO.

Riant sells a 400w kit with no reflector for 368$ grand total to your door via PayPal.
i believe its the best deal on the market, less then a dollar per watt.
That price isn't much worse than the cheapest 300w ones as kits I've seen.
(Solara i think don't remember the site ?)

I promote Riant cause I bought em, and they honnor the warrenty, lol
but also to cause competetion benefits the consumer.
If indagrow brings prices down to riants or Riant increases There warrenty to Indagrows in Whith With competition we all Benefit.
May the best man win
whooooooooot .

 

[hyroot]

copy of email

Hi <>%&,


Thank you for your interest in our grow light.

The unit price is USD450.00 for 400W including fixture and freight.

Our grow light can cover voltage from 120V to 300V.

Currently the grow light we produce is 3500K, but we are doing experiment for updating to reach a better spectrum. If 3500K is not proper for your need, you can wait until we get the new spectrum.

We are looking for a proper device to meter the PAR value, will let you know when we get it.

We warrant for 3 years.

Let me know if anything you need.

Best Regards,

Tony

 

[SCARHOLE]

I like best in green solutions prices!!!
never seen them before.
But Best in Green Solutions 400w 5000k "ESTIMATED TOTAL UPS ground shipping $409.51"
With shipping green solutions is a bit more than Riant.

Riant FedExed mine to me from china with reflector for 468$.

The UL certification is a nice piece of paper, but greenbacks are better.
Give me a lamp half the price and keep the UL certification IMHO.

 

[SCARHOLE]

I hope mr Wu replies its a typo, and the 3 should have been 5 or ill be pissed.
lol.

 

[natro.hydro]

Just short of 1/2.

Huh could have swore big stuffwas like a qp amd popcorns were about a half... oh well that is still pretty impressive for your first time, you remove all the stuff below the screen and you will def c a bigger harvest this time around

 

[Loonquawl]

you remove all the stuff below the screen and you will def c a bigger harvest this time around

Finished trimming all that just tonight.

 

[SCARHOLE]

Got a responce from Tony Wu @ Riant......

"Our warranty is 5 years.

And our do not have distributors in USA right now, so exchanges of defective units in the USA are not available. When we find a good distributor is USA, I think we will consider of increasing the warranty years.

And I have talked with our engineer who said that it is hard to increase the red spectrum on the bulb, and if we add yellow spectrum, the red and blue spectrum will be cut down. We use one bulb to mix such phosphor powder, so it is hard to make each spectrum perfect.

By the way, do have the spectrum chart of Inda-gro's PAR420? I am a little curious why their light is white

Regards "

 

[hyroot]

I like best in green solutions prices!!!
never seen them before.
But Best in Green Solutions 400w 5000k "ESTIMATED TOTAL UPS ground shipping $409.51"
With shipping green solutions is a bit more than Riant.

Riant FedExed mine to me from china with reflector for 468$.

The UL certification is a nice piece of paper, but greenbacks are better.
Give me a lamp half the price and keep the UL certification IMHO.

on the 400 rectangle at $369.99 and $23.63 for shipping. a week ago they had free shipping on everything.

http://stores.bestingreensolutions.com/Cart.bok?smode=update

sheet metal for hoods. (thanks chaz)

http://anomet.com/cgi-bin/online/storepro.php

 

[gordobo]

I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss UL listings. Check your homeowners policy cuz if there's a fire and they determine it was started from a non-listed electrical component they can use that to deny a claim if there is an electrical fire. If nothing else you're planning on running 400+ watts on at least a 12/12 and having piece of mind that it's been tested is better than coming home to a torched house.

That being said I'm all for saving money too! So I would like to think the best in green or riant lights would equal or surpass the same wattage inda-gro light. Not seeing any grows through final weights yet it's impossible to say. But in purchasing any of these lights it's a long term commitment (hopefully) so area of coverage, yield and how they handle any warranty claims that might creep up will be more important than initial cost anyway.

This is all just wild math until we see some of these china direct grows come to harvest but assuming equal areas of coverage if the 400 watt china direct lights yield 10% less than an inda-gro 420 (we're talking without pontoon here) light and say 4 plants under each light with the inda-gro netting a dry weight of 448 grams and the china direct comes in a 10% less or 403 grams that light cost you 1.7 zips or let's just call it $300 on one light on one run. Factor 3 runs a year per light and that's $900 more per light the china direct actually cost you. And we haven't even touched on bud quality differences based on how the plants respond to the different lamp phosphors or what the addition of the pontoons represents to the overall equation either.

I'm pretty sure the comparison won't even be this close but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway. I know inda-gro has done plenty of side by side grows with their products why not ask riant if they want to do one too? I'm pretty sure there would be some takers on this forum to lay this out for all to see.

 

[hyroot]

captains poorman pontoon thread is inductions from best in green. on the yml site and from lvd their spectrum is similar to the riant. Probably more green and yellow than riant. That's what makes it appear more white . capt's are lvd's

 

[gordobo]

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    • By the way, do have the spectrum chart of Inda-gro's PAR420? I am a little curious why their light is white​

  
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      With the midday color of the sun representing 6000 kelvin I would be just as curious to know how their 3500 kelvin lamp represents a vegetative lamp when it leans more to flower?​

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  • And our do not have distributors in USA right now, so exchanges of defective units in the USA are not available. When we find a good distributor is USA, I think we will consider of increasing the warranty years.​

  
  

  
  Not sure I get this? With no US Distributors does that mean all warranties go through China? Do they want the defective piece back before it's covered or do the trust the customer? Who pays for freight?
  
  
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[Doright]

If you go to the UL database and type in inda-gro you'll see that inda-gro setup their own board design under UL approval. Then type in igrow. Nothing comes up. So take from that what you will but no legitimate hydro shop would sell a light that did not have UL approval and that approval should list the name, model number of what they're selling or the hydro shop is not looking out for your best interest.

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/index.html

As to why you would choose the pontoons over a separate flowering lamp as being essentially the same thing would be like comparing a helicopter to a jet. They both fly.

Not having to change induction lamps between veg and flower is the primary difference between these two company's approach. Inda-Gro only uses a single lamp from veg-flower which is fine but if you want to enhance flower the pontoon does what the 'flowering' induction lamp would do if it had a 660nm peak emission and could generate a lights out 730nm exclusive wavelength to trigger the phytochrome switch.

Buy whatever you want based on the best value (cheeper is not correlative to value) from the best information you can find but ultimately it's the plants response that will tell you if you made the right choice. You just gotta listen.

Well I purchased 3 new Igrow lights 2 flower and one Veg, The selling point for me was that INDA-GROW needed such an expensive add on pontoon. The Igrow had a specific Bloom bulb wich in a pinch as it turns out can be used during Veg.
When my new lights were delivered it was obvious one of the lamps was broken in shipping even before opening the box it was the Veg light by the way.
A quick call to the dealer and a new bulb arrived within 48 hr's UPS no cost to me no BS just a new bulb. I ended up having to put plants under a bloom light for a few days while I waited for the replacement Veg lamp.
And you are correct the lamps are not that easy to replace not something I would want to try with the fixture hanging but I wouldn't say impossible, I would definitely put it on a table tho.

A quick look at ballasts and your right I don't see any UL stickers of approval nor any FCC approvals hmmm.......
This company's Parent company is an American lighting company too ???? It does seam odd to me that they a Major US lighting mfg would just forget or neglect to get those certs to me too.
I just took it for granted that they were being sold in USA and had to be UL listed? bad on me.....

I do like how the Ballast's are power smart they know if they are plugged into 220 or 110 without rewiring them! just simply plug into adapter plug to run them on 220 electrical.

I am a very new grower and only had the lights now for 1.5 months I cant say how they compare to any thing else as I have never grown any thing before nor do I have any other lights to compare them too nor do I have any experience growing ANYTHING!.
I really don't know where any of this stands? but for me it was not needing the Pontoon and I think the technology the pontoon is bringing to the table is altogether something different any way as far as new Plant lighting requirements and technology goes any way cutting edge stuff I am in no way knocking it. I'm also 100% sure the IGROW would benefit from the added Pontoon/added LED lighting as well.


As far as My Judgment goes on IGROW my jury is still out, Do they work? Yes!, BUT I am too much of a noob at growing any thing to really know how to use them to their full potential yet to make a good judgment to say yay or nay on being what they say they are.

I thank Spliff Yourself Chaz and SteveG and my own freedom of choice for my decision of which lights to try in the end it was the Pontoon specifically its price tag! which when added to purchase price of a new 420 was WAY more than a single Igrow, INDA-GROW had me till they came out with the Pontoon.
IGROW had specific bulb for flowering nothing more needed, BUT I bet it would benefit from the same technology that Inda-grow is using to supplement with using the Pontoon.

I thank all of you guys for putting your ideas and feelings and experience out there on these forums for others to benefit from.

 

[SCARHOLE]

They paid the freight on the return and sent as soon as they burn tested the new one for a week.
By then I had them conformation it was returned.
Dhl sent the second ballast, it took 2 weeks.

Its funny how mr Wu was asking about IndaGro spectrum
Riants is almost identical to there's?
But the light is completely different appearing.
mr fonzarelli here said this
" That spectral analysis you posted is for a T5 that would be WHITE not PURPLE. I think you got a bunk spectral graph. Your plant is looking really nice, but could look better for 400w. Add a 250w HPS or MH to get some bigger/thicker tighter nugs. That light you got is like a flourescent on steroids, but it's still going to act like a flourescent."

I told this to Mu Wu along with a indagrow specta chart, and asked if he had ever retested it.
ill let ya kow if he answers.

 

[chazbolin]

" That spectral analysis you posted is for a T5 that would be WHITE not PURPLE. I think you got a bunk spectral graph. Your plant is looking really nice, but could look better for 400w. Add a 250w HPS or MH to get some bigger/thicker tighter nugs. That light you got is like a flourescent on steroids, but it's still going to act like a flourescent."

Hi Scar! That's funny I was just wondering whatever happened to Mr. Winkler. With all due respect to Henry the phosphors could care less if they're in a T5, T12 or an EFDL. The spectral distribution will be a function of the excited phosphors quantum photo luminescent properties. So I have no idea what he's trying to say here re the spectrum being bunk. Suggesting you need to add 250 watt MH or HPS to get 'bigger/tighter nugs' tells me he may be under some form of chemical influence.

I thank Spliff Yourself Chaz and SteveG and my own freedom of choice for my decision of which lights to try in the end it was the Pontoon.

Welcome Doright! Glad we could contribute to some small degree. Here's to a successful harvest. Post up some pics when you get a chance. We'd love to see your garden!

But in purchasing any of these lights it's a long term commitment (hopefully) so area of coverage, yield and how they handle any warranty claims that might creep up will be more important than initial cost anyway.

This is all just wild math until we see some of these china direct grows come to harvest but assuming equal areas of coverage if the 400 watt china direct lights yield 10% less than an inda-gro 420 (we're talking without pontoon here) light and say 4 plants under each light with the inda-gro netting a dry weight of 448 grams and the china direct comes in a 10% less or 403 grams that light cost you 1.7 zips or let's just call it $300 on one light on one run. Factor 3 runs a year per light and that's $900 more per light the china direct actually cost you. And we haven't even touched on bud quality differences based on how the plants respond to the different lamp phosphors or what the addition of the pontoons represents to the overall equation either.

Hiya Gordo! You raise some excellent points here. The decision to buy one technology over the other or one brand over the other should be based on an each individuals ability to afford the product and than the results they get from that product. There are some that will have to save the initial few hundred bucks but long after you forgot about the few hundred bucks you saved on the initial purchase you're left with the product and it's performance.

As to the whole thing about being listed with UL, ETL or any of the other agencies out there it's important if your selling any of these in Canada they will only accept Canadian UL certification. Also many building inspectors will only accept UL in the USA. It can be difficult, if not impossible to get products accepted with any other agency approval. For example on a project like this one in Lexington, KY which installed 20 inda-gro lights if the inspector checks for a UL certificate and it's not there or it's been faked the inspector won't give the project a final inspection approval unless they're removed and replaced with a UL listed fixture. Now it's twice as expensive compared to what it would have cost to just buy UL certified lights to begin with.

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As to warranties it's been my personal experience working with inda-gro they don't have much of an issue with cross shipping a defective ballast once they know yours is on the way back to them. I've had 4 warranty claims now on roughly 300 lights I've had something to do with the sale. You remove the 4 screws holding the driver assembly together and ship it in a small box. Fast and cheap.

As to a side by side grow there are dozens of grows on the invite only facebook page for inda-gro. It's not the FB link off their website. When you're in FB type in: 'inda-gro mmj gardens' and you can see the galleries for yourself or click the link below. For the most part they are all user submitted galleries.

https://www.facebook.com/IndaGroMedicalMjLtg/photos_stream

I'd do a side by side but there are some that would call it biased and to be honest with you I really don't care to do a run with these other lines since I've seen them up close anyway. However I believe Psuagro is running the Pro-100-PAR and the Pontoon on fixtures that were given to him at no charge by Inda-Gro. He or someone else may be up for it and I have no doubt Inda-Gro would not hesitate to participate in a legitimate side by side comparison and if history is any indication would donate the products at no charge to do so.