Organic grown wheat contains GM impurities

[desert dude]

Apparently the "green revolution" was touted as the answer to world hunger 30 years ago... Sound familiar?

And it was. Paul Ehrlich predicted doom... DOOOOMMMMMMM, for all of humanity. Norman Borlaug rolled up his sleeves and here we are, well past our predicted expiration date.

"The Population Bomb is a best-selling book written by Stanford University Professor Paul R. Ehrlich and his wife, Anne Ehrlich (who was uncredited), in 1968.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] It warned of the mass starvation of humans in the 1970s and 1980s due to overpopulation, as well as other major societal upheavals, and advocated immediate action to limit population growth. Fears of a "population explosion" were widespread in the 1950s and 60s, but the book and its author brought the idea to an even wider audience.


"Norman Ernest Borlaug (March 25, 1914 – September 12, 2009)[SUP][1][/SUP] was an American agronomist, humanitarian and Nobel laureate who has been called "the father of the Green Revolution"[SUP][2][/SUP] and "The Man Who Saved A Billion Lives". He is one of seven people to have won the Nobel Peace Prize, the Presidential Medal of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal[SUP][3][/SUP] and was also awarded the Padma Vibhushan, India's second highest civilian honor.[SUP][4]"[/SUP]

Both are wiki citations.

 

[UncleBuck]

why has this idea of simply not growing corn and cotton not caught on?

i mean, it so simple. just stop growing corn and cotton, farming is solved.

brilliant!

 

[SlaveNoMore]

why has this idea of simply not growing corn and cotton not caught on?

i mean, it so simple. just stop growing corn and cotton, farming is solved.

brilliant!

A-B conversation Buck, C yourself out of it.

I was trying to have a dialog with Echelon. Let him ask the questions. Things were going nicely without your help, senior.

 

[desert dude]

according to the resident rat, you are now both insane and a religious nut.

thus spake desert douche.

Nah. I like echelon. He has interesting view points, some of which I agree with, and he is not down by the Columbia fellating every body with a fiver.

My last word for tonight. Feel free to rage on in my "spam" threads, Buck.

 

[echelon1k1]

Yes, all good points. I think that if smaller localised scientific companies got into the game we might have some forward progress. I believe it would create jobs, broaden our scientific exploration and create food. I whole heartedly agree that independent testing should be done to insure safety.

On the flip side, if we changed our farming cultural practices things could improve as well. Quit growing corn and cotton for starters.

Edit: By "our" I mean the whole world.

I think we're seeing improvements everyday in regards to farming especially mass production, but many farmers have found that some GM crops don't do as well as advertised vs non-gm varieties. Do you mean quit growing GM cotton & corn?

 

[Harrekin]

That and the fact that pests are becoming tolerant to pesticides. Either we make stronger pesticides or gm the crops. I understand the plight of the environmentalists but I think they are coming from an idealist pov rather than a realistic pov.

Ok, read this slowly...

Roundup is a herbicide which kills plants.

The only difference between Monsanto crops and normal crops is Monsanto crops have a tiny line of genetic code from another plant which is naturally resistant to Roundup to make (most of) them survive herbicide spraying.

Why cant you smelly hippies get that point?!

 

[Harrekin]

Yes, all good points. I think that if smaller localised scientific companies got into the game we might have some forward progress. I believe it would create jobs, broaden our scientific exploration and create food. I whole heartedly agree that independent testing should be done to insure safety.

On the flip side, if we changed our farming cultural practices things could improve as well. Quit growing corn and cotton for starters.

Edit: By "our" I mean the whole world.

Quit growing corn you say?

Fuck those coeliacs, fuck them right in the ass.

And the Mexicans, fuck them and their nachos.

While we're at it, lets just restrict everything that isn't for the benefit of the hive-mind...

 

[cannabineer]

I, for one, LOVE GM food.

I admit to being especially fond of upscale GM food. cn

 

[Harrekin]

I, for one, LOVE GM food.

I admit to being especially fond of upscale GM food. cn

They'd tell you to go with the alternative, if you can afFord it...

 

[cannabineer]

There's a restaurant called Nihil Prius. In Madrid.

I bet they serve no hybrid cuisine, and something about no less gas. cn

 

[Harrekin]

There's a restaurant called Nihil Prius. In Madrid.

I bet they serve no hybrid cuisine, and something about no less gas. cn

Apparently you get more bang for your buck, although apparently sometimes you can't stop, even when you desperately need to

 

[cannabineer]

Apparently you get more bang for your buck, although apparently sometimes you can't stop, even when you desperately need to

Bet the bill has that hybrid vigor though. cn

 

[Harrekin]

Bet the bill has that hybrid vigor though. cn

The hippies did say something about how if you go GM you'll pay...

 

[cannabineer]

... and sometimes it's worth the surcharge imo. cn

 

[UncleBuck]

Apparently you get more bang for your buck, although apparently sometimes you can't stop, even when you desperately need to

do go on...

 

[UncleBuck]

Ok, read this slowly...

Roundup is a herbicide which kills plants.

The only difference between Monsanto crops and normal crops is Monsanto crops have a tiny line of genetic code from another plant which is naturally resistant to Roundup to make (most of) them survive herbicide spraying.

Why cant you smelly hippies get that point?!

frankly, we don't know all the consequences of GM food yet. and until we get a much clearer, long term picture, it makes no sense to put such blind trust in an organization like monsanto.

going further, the modus operandi of modern industrial agriculture practices seems to be creating a problem we haven't seen before, and a pat on the back when we then fix the problem we created. and for good measure, we fix the new problem that the new solution created and give ourselves another pat on the back.

the result is that we get an end product pumped full with Dog knows what from Dog knows where and a nice loose stool to accompany.

i vote we proceed with moderation rather than reckless abandon, but that makes me insane, and a religious nut to boot.

thus spake the exalted desert one.

 

[Doer]

Yes, all good points. I think that if smaller localised scientific companies got into the game we might have some forward progress. I believe it would create jobs, broaden our scientific exploration and create food. I whole heartedly agree that independent testing should be done to insure safety.

On the flip side, if we changed our farming cultural practices things could improve as well. Quit growing corn and cotton for starters.

Edit: By "our" I mean the whole world.

WTF??? No corn no cotton....what about wheat, barley, soy, rice, peanut, lintel, pepper, sorghum, alfalfa, oranges. apples, melons.....etc?

And when did Americans begin to think we rule the world? Our farm culture? Are you saying there is some kind of monolithic farm culture on the planet, to change? Do around the world with Rice.

How many farming cultures do you see?

 

[cannabineer]

Yes, all good points. I think that if smaller localised scientific companies got into the game we might have some forward progress. I believe it would create jobs, broaden our scientific exploration and create food. I whole heartedly agree that independent testing should be done to insure safety.

On the flip side, if we changed our farming cultural practices things could improve as well. Quit growing corn and cotton for starters.

Edit: By "our" I mean the whole world.

I can see why you might wanna hate on corn, but cotton? Best textile crop in the world.

Also, how small/local can a company be and still produce genetically altered anything from a position of knowledge and (technical) control? cn

 

[Doer]

frankly, we don't know all the consequences of GM food yet. and until we get a much clearer, long term picture, it makes no sense to put such blind trust in an organization like monsanto.

going further, the modus operandi of modern industrial agriculture practices seems to be creating a problem we haven't seen before, and a pat on the back when we then fix the problem we created. and for good measure, we fix the new problem that the new solution created and give ourselves another pat on the back.

the result is that we get an end product pumped full with Dog knows what from Dog knows where and a nice loose stool to accompany.

i vote we proceed with moderation rather than reckless abandon, but that makes me insane, and a religious nut to boot.

thus spake the exalted desert one.

See the strawman? First is was hint of a relgious connotation to saying the jury is still out on GM. That was turned into a fervent support, an insantity for GM. Where did that come from?

Now it's blind trust? The master troll at work. Admirable, says the other one.

The rest you say is right on...the second para. But, don't say it like its a bad thing. Don't say they do it on purpose.

They do put on the best face on fuck ups. A pubic company depends on public trust.

They are quite an honorable US company, with a track record of profit and tax paying, assailed by people that practice the "ends" (their dangerous ends) justify the means of lying, cheating, and stealing.

That is the dis-honor here. Can't troll me, FDR, meah, meah.

This isn't Enron. Enron Corps. was executed....on paper.

 

[desert dude]

I can see why you might wanna hate on corn, but cotton? Best textile crop in the world.

Also, how small/local can a company be and still produce genetically altered anything from a position of knowledge and (technical) control? cn

You might be right, I am no botanist/farmer/weaver. Hemp has to give cotton a strong run for "best in show", though.