All you can do is provide pathetic responses (ad hominem arguments) because you simply CANNOT refute what I'm saying. You are blindly accepting what the pharmaceutical industry says (who profits big time off vaccines). Like I said, smallpox and polio still exist. The reason they aren't as prevalent is because we have superior living conditions. The fact that you are completely oblivious to the type of impact clean drinking water, access to nutrition, access to personal hygiene and sanitation, access to advanced medical technology (like surgery or repairing broken bones) shows how ignorant you are. Again, PLEASE provide me evidence that directly links vaccines to the decline of ANY disease. Unless you can do this, you've done nothing to support them.
Why are conspiracy theorists so dumb?
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No, the sad part is that most doctors go into the profession because they are good-hearted people and truly want to help people. The problem is they are taught by the pharmaceutical industry (who also pay their salaries later on) and are completely misinformed. That's not to say these people aren't intelligent, they are simply misled. Did you even watch the video? It's only a little bit more than ten minutes and it is a DOCTOR providing evidence of the fraudulence of how many drugs are approved. Why do you think big pharma tries so hard to bash natural remedies? Because they work and heavily threaten the pharmaceutical industry's profits. Same reason why cannabis and hemp have been subject to bogus propaganda and ridicule all these years. The government claims cannabis has "no accepted medical use", yet they have a patent on cannabinoids. If they cannot patent nature and profit off it, they deem it useless. It's illegal to grow your own medicine but if you buy it from big pharma, it's okay.
hempyninja309
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Jtprin for our safety can you please produce a list of everyone who is currently involved in the reptilian agenda, illuminati and free masons??
Padawanbater2
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Can you tell me how the president of the US contracted polio? I would imagine he had access to clean water and sufficient nutrition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt's_paralytic_illness
And as guy pointed out, any evidence presented you would simply ignore or pull the same tactic you are attempting to pull with polio and smallpox without citing any sources. You're simply saying "they switched names", where is the evidence of that?
I could show you plenty of data that confirms what we are claiming, you wouldn't believe it because you don't understand how medical science works. You weren't even aware virus' evolve.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt's_paralytic_illness
And as guy pointed out, any evidence presented you would simply ignore or pull the same tactic you are attempting to pull with polio and smallpox without citing any sources. You're simply saying "they switched names", where is the evidence of that?
I could show you plenty of data that confirms what we are claiming, you wouldn't believe it because you don't understand how medical science works. You weren't even aware virus' evolve.
Nice attempt at a cop out, keep talking about what you COULD show instead of actually doing it. And I've provided that evidence in this thread already. Here it is again: http://vactruth.com/2012/04/25/change-names-of-diseases/
Padawanbater2
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Who is "the pharmaceutical industry"? Can you give me some names?
Why would you think one doctor's opinion would negate the centuries of medical research that has been proven to work?
Because they don't work and people die as a result
Can you provide one instance in which a natural remedy worked better on a patient than it's perscription counterpart?
What "medicine", excluding marijuana and scheduled drugs, is illegal to grow yourself?
Padawanbater2
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As I've mentioned before, I'm not interested in reading a long article from a questionable source and simply wasting more of my time trying to find where the answer to my question is, and you seem incapable of explaining it in a clear way in your own words, which tells me you yourself do not understand how medical science works.
This is what is happening. You have started out with an unsubstantiated claim - "Vaccines are bad" - and have actively searched for sources to confirm your bias. This is evident by the links you post. You dismiss all the mountains of research and the centuries of practice, all the nobel prize winners and real heroes who have saved billions of peoples lives throughout history. You fail to realize that the very same gripe you have with the pharmaceutical industry exists just as much in the homeopathic one.
You are the fundamental creationist of medical science. Nothing will change your mind, you've already made it up, regardless of what the evidence says.
Marijuana alone cures and treats a very wide range of diseases and ailments. Outside of marijuana, hemp and psychedelic mushrooms. The pharmaceutical industry bashes natural remedies because they DO work and threaten their profits. Like I said, where is your evidence of this "medical research" that directly links vaccines to the decline of any disease? You want one instance where a natural remedy worked better? EASY. http://naturalsociety.com/man-called-crazy-doctors-cured-own-colon-cancer/ You yourself already agreed that most diseases are a result of nutritional deficiencies and/or lack of physical activity, and now you are questioning natural remedies? Are you serious?
Stop falsely claiming there is "mountains of evidence" supporting vaccines when you cannot provide one single bit of evidence that directly links vaccines to the decline of any disease.
Padawanbater2
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It's not my job to do your homework
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eradication_of_smallpox#Eradication
Can you tell me why there has not been a single case of smallpox since 1975?
It was here, millions of people died from it, now it's not, so what happened? People just all of a sudden all over the world all at the same time got access to cleaner water and better food?
LOL, that's what I thought. You can't. It's okay for you to sit here and ask me for loads of evidence but when I ask you for ONE single bit of evidence that directly relates vaccines to the decline of any disease, it's "not your job". Hilarious. And as I already stated, smallpox still exists. Just because the name was changed and it's now under different medical terminology doesn't mean it ceases to exist.
Padawanbater2
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OK, what did those nameless pharmaceutical industry reps rename it to?
And exactly as I said, I provided evidence, and you ignored it
You never provided any evidence that proves that vaccines directly caused the decline of any disease. How about monkeypox? You know, the disease that is 96.3% identical to smallpox? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11734207
Padawanbater2
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Complete fail
96.3% is not the same
Chimpanzees are 98% genetically identical to humans, are you the same as a chimpanzee?
Hmmm... didn't you just say earlier that viruses change over time? Virtually all of the symptoms are the exact same. You are also neglecting the evolution/adaptation of the human immune system. Edit: Monkeypox has a generalized pustular rash that is clinically indistinguishable from that of smallpox.
Padawanbater2
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Good god man.. "evolution/adaptation of the human immune system"?
All in 1975 at the exact same time all over the world?
This is not how evolution works, this is not how adaptation works, this is not how the human immune system works. Again, you are not equipped with the tools necessary to conclude anything about vaccines. You simply do not know enough about them, how they work, how they're researched or how they're tested. You keep bringing up things that do not coincide with reality.
What is your level of education? Have you ever taken any advanced science classes?
All in 1975 at the exact same time all over the world?
This is not how evolution works, this is not how adaptation works, this is not how the human immune system works. Again, you are not equipped with the tools necessary to conclude anything about vaccines. You simply do not know enough about them, how they work, how they're researched or how they're tested. You keep bringing up things that do not coincide with reality.
What is your level of education? Have you ever taken any advanced science classes?
Annnnnnnnd back to the ad hominem arguments because you still cannot provide one single bit of evidence that proves vaccines directly caused the decline of any disease. By the way, there have been multiple monkey pox outbreaks within the past 10-20 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkeypox#2003_U.S._outbreak http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs161/en/
Padawanbater2
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Again, I provided evidence and you don't believe it because you don't understand medical science
"Before widespread vaccination, mortality rates in individuals with smallpox were high—up to 35% in some cases."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_vaccine
That ^^^, right there, is evidence that proves vaccines directly caused the decline of smallpox
"Before widespread vaccination, mortality rates in individuals with smallpox were high—up to 35% in some cases."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_vaccine
That ^^^, right there, is evidence that proves vaccines directly caused the decline of smallpox
I wish I could vote this best post of the thread. Could some heavy hitter please rep this for me cause I can't
I've repped him to much already SOURCE: http://radiology.rsna.org/content/142/3/659.full.pdf
How come pineal calcifications were evident prior to 1944? For example in 1918 when Roentgen first x-rayed the pineal why did he see it was calcified. Since back then we did not flouridate?
Further why does pineal calcification decrease in post menopausal females if it's r/t to flouride treatment? For your argument to succeed it would have to be a linear correlation unfortunately parabolic correlation proves you wrong! Oh my
Really, a Wikipedia sentence that doesn't even have a reference? Now that's pure comedy.
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